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MLK

I dont know, i suggest you ask them.
SOG Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 10:04:44 (PDT)

Ambiguity leads to Self Inflation,

My discussion with ROTC-Radcliff was first started when she dismissed the ultility of an MBA degree in the corporarte world.

In my opinion the MBA; like Mircosoft certification and any graduate degree, are useful when applied properly and efficiently.

As for personal information. I think it is suffice to say I'm the direct opposite of the perception my handle projects. The Ed's would probably censor me if I say more.

Please enlighten me to the hypocracy of my stance. Where is the contradiction and irony.
AC Dropout Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 09:27:41 (PDT)

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Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad,

I don't doubt the reputation of those firms. But I do doubt the top in what sense when there are a gaggle of consulting companies that make more, have more personel, and are able to offer their clients more solutions.

No executive or board position requires an MBA or graduate degree. It is because individuals are competing in a herd of employees which will pursue an advance degree to make them stand out.

Once again you miss my argument. If you have a JD, wouldn't it be to your advantage to climb a legal track in a company. If you have a PhD, wouldn't it be to your advantage to pursue the R&D track. If you have an MBA, wouldn't it be advantageous to pursue an exective track.

I'm not saying it is not possible to jump track and do another career. But in terms of cost/benefit and compared to ones contemporaries, you would be losing on time.

If a kid told you he wanted to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company in their late 30's. Would suggest the training you went through to suceed 50% of the time.
AC Dropout Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 09:13:32 (PDT)

Consultant,

Last I checked the top consulting firms were Accenture, PWC, D&T, KPMG. Those companies are considered small speciality shops in the consulting industry. Like JP Morgan is a small speciality shop compare to Citigroup when it comes to banking.

Get you're facts straight with the M&A that have been occuring.

AC Dropout Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 08:53:13 (PDT)

to SOG
then how come I see so many folks with an MBA who're barely making ends meet?
MLK Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 21:59:48 (PDT)

AC,

You're very vague about yourself. You have a condescending attitude towards ppl of the employee status.

Are you rich? What do you do? Are you well educated? Are you a top notch person in a company?

No one seems to know! I'm not asking you to identify yourself.

One more thing, you seem like a big hypocrite, even with this MBA discussion!

SOG,

Everyone knows too well that the MBA degree serves one specific purpose - to increase one's salary in a financial company/corporation or be employed by one. Like I said before, the MBA is more of a certification and not a degree. People get their certifications (MSCE, A+) so they could obtain a "foot in the door" job in a tech company or increase their salary. The same thing applies to a MBA with financial corporations.
Ambiguity leads to Self Inflation Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 20:22:38 (PDT)

AC Clueless:

If you call McKinsey and BCG as not top 4-5 in the consulting industry, then you truly are clueless and are some high school kid posting. Try going to Vault and doing a little research. Both firms are recognized as one of the best firms in the industry.

"Also you need an MBA to climb the corporate ladder if outside of consulting."

Maybe at McDonald's where you work, but there are legions of PhD's, JD's, BA/BA, MA/MS, and even high school graduates like you who are running companies they didn't start. I will grant you that you pretty much need a MBA to climb the CFO rung of the ladder, but CTO's, COO's, CIO's, CEO's are not required to have MBAs...

Just because you failed out of a PhD or JD or MS program, doesn't mean you have to bash those degrees, son. That high school diploma of yours works great for Mickey D's!
Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 18:40:40 (PDT)

McKinsey not a top 4-5 consulting company? McKinsey is number one traditionally in terms of size and revenue. BCG (Boston Consulting Group) also not a top 4-5 consulting firm? Of course, by industry you could be talking about a very specific industry, but just about every recognizes these two companies are tops in management and strategic consulting, even globally.

I think Annapolis-Harvard Law has the better argument (and facts) here. You seem out of your element here.
Consultant Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 18:33:26 (PDT)

Many clowns come here!,

You're reading my post out of context of the conversations I was having. Just go back and read the entire threads, not just a sentence here and a sentence there.
AC Dropout Monday, June 24, 2002 at 14:16:46 (PDT)

Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad,

Those consulting firms you listed are not the Big 4-5 consulting firms in the industry.

Also you need an MBA to climb the corporate ladder if outside of consulting.

A JD is nice but don't you think it is a little wasted in climbing the corporate ladder, if you aren't practicing.

The same can be said for a lot of advanced degrees in the corporate world. What are you going to do with a PhD in corporate America if you aren't in R&D.
AC Dropout Monday, June 24, 2002 at 14:14:48 (PDT)

I'll give me two cents just for the hell of it. MBA is just a degree that tells the boy's club, Hey i am one of you guys, let's make some money.

That's it. It really dosent by itself help you create any real value or service to society. The most productive people are not MBA holders (doctors, Bill gates, steve jobs, etc etc). they make money sure, but a lot of rich people are idiots.

Bottom line. Get MBA for the Money.
SOG Monday, June 24, 2002 at 10:36:20 (PDT)

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