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Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad,

The Vault? WTF is a prestige score?

Its good enough to get all the top names up. But in terms of ranking it is somewhat dubious.

The consulting arm of the Big 4-5 do much more than the accounting. That was the gist of the break up of AC from Andersen Worldwide and AA. That's why they are called AC, Indenture now.

Revenue of the consulting and accounting practices are always separated. I did not combine the revenues in my head when I posted that claim to you. Your post show you know very little about the Big 5 in general.

Since Accenture and PWC are public companies now you can check the revenue. Accenture is at 11 Billion and has no accounting division.

In term of size and revenue Accenture been #1 for quite a few years now. Even before the end of arbitration they held that distinction.

IBM does consulting also. I didn't list them either. But they're on the Vault list. No one hires IBM for consulting unless they want a deal on the hardware as well.

McKinsey is known for its prestige and management consulting. That's all.

The only reason your digging up some obsecure referrence is because you misinterpreted what the Big 5 meant. If you walk into a Business school and said Big 5. McKinsey would not be there.

Which obsecure site do you use to rank law schools and legal practices?

Thanks for your concern. But by most people standards, I'm doing quite well for myself. But you seem to be lacking in the "attention to details" department as well...

"McKinsey was tops in terms of revenue and number of personnel." - ROTC-Radcliff

Here comes the dreaded fine print.....

http://www.vault.com/nr/consulting_rankings/consulting_rankings.jsp?consulting2001=3

"Remember that in the Top 50, Vault is not ranking firms by profit, size, lifestyle or quality — we are ranking the most prestigious consulting firms based on the perceptions of currently practicing consultants at peer firms." -The Vault.

AC Dropout Interpretation - Our study sucks and will never be referenced anybody in the industry. And because no one can define "preception of pretigiousness" don't bother suing us....We would also like to thank Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad for filling out our survey and good luck with your job hunting.

Stop trying to cover your a$$ with this nonsense. You have still have not provided sufficent evidence to prove that your hair brain statement, "an MBA is useless," is correct.

Back to the point at hand. In the Big 5 you can become partner without an advance degree. You cannot be partner or exective or management in most of corporate USA without an MBA.

Go do some Pro-Bono work for a needy immigrant, instead of wasting your brain cells on me?

PS- It is Andersen, not Anderson. Doesn't matter anyways since both companies don't exist anymore.

PPS- "I love it when clueless people...make blatantly false statements" - You must love yourself very much. Do you make false claims on purpose to experience love? Quite a narcissist.
AC Dropout Friday, June 28, 2002 at 12:25:52 (PDT)

to SOG
I did. They told me they're victims of the stock market crash.
MLK Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 22:26:26 (PDT)

AC Cluesless:

I love it when clueless people like you make blatantly false statements...

While Vault is not definitive, they are a good source. In generally, they reflect the industry opinion...

http://www.vault.com/nr/consulting_rankings/consulting_rankings.jsp

As you can see, the top 4 consulting firms are McKinsey, BCG, Bain, Booze Allen, and then your accounting/consulting houses of PWC (7), Deloitte (10), and KPMG (14). I will give you that you managed to place 1 firm, Accenture (#5), accurate in the top 5.

Like I said before, you are comparing apples to oranges when you add their revenues and number of employees from accounting to their overall consulting "strength". GE also does some technology consulting, but you don't see us putting GE on that list by adding their employees from defense, turbines, power systems, etc. to the mix, do we?

Next time, do more resarch. You did manage to get a couple of things right...the Big 4 accounting firms have more employees and revenues compared to consulting firm, but you make a crucial mistake in analysis when you failed ot sort out the details. I suspect that is why you failed out of whatever college and/or advance degree problem you were in. Lack of attention to detail and a fundamental weakness in reasoning...
Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 19:44:15 (PDT)

AC Dropout:

Statements like these show your ignorance...

"there are a gaggle of consulting companies that make more, have more personel, and are able to offer their clients more solutions."

McKinsey was tops in terms of revenue and number of personnel. BCG was not far behind. Try looking on Vault.com

Those companies you listed are the big 5 accounting firms with a consulting arm (with the exception of Accenture, spun off from Anderson). You are confusing and adding their revenues from accounting operations, which are a bulk of their revenues. This is why you are clueless and have no idea how the business world works. Their consulting work is small, compared to their accounting work. In fact, most likely after Enron and Worldcom, those operations will have to be segregated.

You must really be a high school kid to get something so simple as accounting mixed up with consulting...
Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 19:10:44 (PDT)

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