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Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad,

What a mean kid.
A Hick Monday, July 01, 2002 at 20:29:44 (PDT)

Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad,

"I will admit that I spelled Andersen wrong"

It's like pulling teeth with you ain't it. I pity your significant other, if this is your idea of admitting a mistake.

AC Dropout Monday, July 01, 2002 at 14:06:00 (PDT)

Consultant,

"While I don't also like Annapolis-Harvard's attitude"

Let's hope his real life persona is not as abrasive. I would be a pity if it is due to work related stress.

AC Dropout Monday, July 01, 2002 at 14:03:51 (PDT)

Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad,

Our original conversation was about the usefulness of an MBA if I remember correctly. Your short attention span has redirected this conversation into one step short of the evolution of accounting companies into consulting companies.

Founder/operators (i.e. Gates, Dell) are not the usual career course for a majority of people. We forgo higher education because we know that it is a race against time. We risk opportunity instead of becoming marketable in the workforce.

Look it is very easy to statisfy this argument. If we look up all the CEO in Fortune 500 companies, you will see a vast number are holders of an MBA.

Spare me the attitude. Unless you're company/nation that has revenue in the billions, Accenture wouldn't even think about taking you on as a client. They're the most expensive consulting company out there. They request a finacial from protential clients before even doing a proposal.
AC Dropout Monday, July 01, 2002 at 11:17:32 (PDT)

Consultant,

If you read my conversation with ROTC-Radcliff. I basically disputed his claim MBA was worthless. I drew on my experience in the Big 5 compnaies as the only industry I was aware of with an advance degree was frowned upon, or not givin any credit, on obtaining partnership. No one in AC/Accenture need to go get an advance degree, only those in the strategy consulting track were ask to pursue their MBA after 2 years.

We got sidetracked on this ranking thing. When I informed him that Mckinsey is not a Big 5 company.

I don't know what these partnership companies like PWC and Accenture, or even Goldman Sach look like after their companies went public. I will assume that one cannot become a partner in 13 years anymore.

I don't doubt Mckinsey pays more or is considered more prestigous (also related to the scholastic pedigree of their top employees). However, that is from an employee's point of view as the Vault confirms.

From a clients point of view it would seem that Accenture is a consulting company of choice just based on revenues and reputation in implemation sucesses.

Mckinsey is basically just the strategy division of Accenture at this point. Whether or not Accenture will displace Mckinsey as strategy consultant of choice is a whole other matter. When I was at AC, I know the strategy division was activity recruiting out of McKinsey partnership.
AC Dropout Monday, July 01, 2002 at 10:58:04 (PDT)

While I don't also like Annapolis-Harvard's attitude sometimes, he is correct when he said that McKinsey, BCG, etc. are tops in the consulting field. The other firms currently in the debate are primarily accounting firms with a consulting business on the side. If given the chance, few business school people would choose PCW, KPMG, Accenture, etc. over McKinsey or BCG. The pay is better at the later places and it is consider much more prestiguous to work at those places as well.

AC Dropout:

"Back to the point at hand. In the Big 5 you can become partner without an advance degree. You cannot be partner or exective or management in most of corporate USA without an MBA."

I thought the original point at hand between you two was which consulting firms were tops. Your point about becoming a partner at a Big 5 is a tangent. Incidentally, it's hard to be a partner at a Big 5 without some form of an advanced degree. Though not necessarily a MBA, these people have advance degrees in accounting or some other finance degree. Also, there is no such thing as a partner in a corporate america because there is no such thing as a partner in a corporate entity. Executive management come in all types, and your statement that you cannot be a executive withou a MBA is false. You don't need a MBA to climb the corporate ladder, although it helps tremendously.

Consultant Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 17:11:04 (PDT)

AC Clueless:

"The only reason your digging up some obsecure referrence is because you misinterpreted what the Big 5 meant. If you walk into a Business school and said Big 5. McKinsey would not be there"

Vault is hardly obscure. Obviously, you have never been to business school. Give you a hint...no one at MBA programs want to work as an accountant or for accouting firms. There are accounting majors, and business school MBA programs do not produce accountants.

When you say big 5, people think accounting, not consulting. Big 5 came from Big 8 and then Big 6, which traditionally referred to the accounting firms.

Our original discussion was about consulting firms and who were tops. Because of your ignorance, you decided to lump accounting firms into consultin firms. This is why you are clueless.

An MBA is useless. Just ask your fellow job seeker standing in the unemployment line with you.

You are too dumb to have a basic discussion with, really. The problem is, you are one of those dumb people armed with a little knowledge and thus think you are some kind of genius.

"You cannot be partner or exective or management in most of corporate USA without an MBA"

Ask Larry or Bill, or even others who have not started their own company. You are too dumb to even do basic research.

I will admit that I spelled Andersen wrong - unlike you, we don't deal with second tier consulting outfits. Andersen must be a step up for you in the welfare line, though.

Annapolis-Harvard Law Grad Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 09:17:08 (PDT)

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