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Chinese American,

I do agree with you the similar characteristic may have positive or negative connotation dependent on ethniticity.

However, an MBA basically teaches a person to be a good executive in a company. Nothing more; nothing less.
AC Dropout Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 14:07:36 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

SF AM,

"The glass ceiling is preventing the free market."

I beg to differ the glass ceiling is the free market. There is no government intervention so it is totally a phenomenon of the free market.

"All the changes in society have been made because people who are victims of the problems rose up"

That is a description political unrest. In business things usually change because it effects the bottom line. If one can show without a doubt that ethnic diversity in the management of a company will increase gross revenue by a significant amount. The demographic of a companies management will change. Other than that they will continue their promotion practices status quo.
AC Dropout Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 14:05:05 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

AC Dropout,

That is an ignorant way of looking at things. Corporations could be a lot more profitable if they eliminated the glass ceiling and weren't so intent on hiring their own. The glass ceiling prevents the most talented people from occupying the top positions. As a result many talented Asians left big corporations in frustration to start very profiatble companies. The corporations lost these potential profits.

The glass ceiling is preventing the free market. Hiring and promotions are made for non-economic reasons. I would suggest studying economics more carefully before attempting to instruct others about economics.

Complacency and lack of action will mean no changes are made. All the changes in society have been made because people who are victims of the problems rose up and did something about it. If MLK had said I will let smarter people make changes, then we would not have had the civil right movement. Everyone can make a difference.
SF AM Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 07:01:03 (PDT) [165.123.243.13]

AC Dropout,

You are right, "corporations are legal manifestation of greed". In America, a white person who is greedy is acceptible, while an Asian person who is greedy is contemptible. That is why Asians with MBA's are worth much less than Whites with MBA's. After all, why do some Asians want to get MBA's? A large reason is crass materialism. At least a J.D. or Ph.d. require one to learn a chosen field of intellect. What do MBAs supposedly teach? How to make money. And that manifestation in an Asian in America is contemptible to many whites.
Chinese American Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 11:24:52 (PDT) [130.203.212.186]

SF AM,

'SUiting your needs" is a selfish a short sighted way of looking at it.'

Perhaps, but that was the whole reason for starting a business. I did not do it to start hugging trees and saving whales.

You're talking about the glass ceiling and the how that objective is a secondary objective to remaining profitable in most companies.

By saying a USA company ethnic make up needs to fill some paradigm. Are we in a free market anymore. Are corporations suppose to take up political causes and ignore the bottom line.

A much smarter person than myself will need to tackle issues like this. Multinational would hate to do business in the USA if we had an ethnic profile for companies to exist in the USA.

Corporations are legal manifestation of greed. They are not political manifestation in society.
AC Dropout Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 11:43:47 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

The LLB and MBA program at York U takes four years. I'm about 85% sure. You should visit York's website for more info. All I know for sure is that enrollment is limited (obviously).
Jerry, HELLO! Monday, September 09, 2002 at 14:06:29 (PDT) [216.221.44.143]

SF AM,

Again entrepeneurial outfits and small companies are not the same as larger companies and corporate America. Business school faculty are now doing studies on women and their underrepresentation in corporate America. There are even places doing studies on gays. Why not studies on minorities and Asians? Are they afraid of what they will find? The only way corporate America will change is if first their practices are exposed and secondly if action is taken to change their practices. "SUiting your needs" is a selfish a short sighted way of looking at it. What is immediately the most comfortable for the individual may not help the individual in the long run. Even for a small business, reforming corporate America will mean more business and easier dealings in the future.
SF AM Monday, September 09, 2002 at 13:10:40 (PDT) [165.123.243.76]

A/HL Grad,

Hard to say the local job market is pretty bad. Just looking at the stack of resumes I have to go through, I got JD, MBA, a few Master Degree people out of work vying for the same position.

There another pile for another position which is most undergrad graduates. However, their work experience pretty much show they've been laid off.

what flip-flop...it not like the candidates without MBA have a high probability of qualifying for that position.
AC Dropout Monday, September 09, 2002 at 10:45:22 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

Ac Dropout:

"I recently saw a the resume of a good candidate w/ MBA from a top 5 B-school for our company...currently working as a head sushi chef."

This from the man telling me that having a MBA is essential to success and climbing the corporate ladder.

Uh...Genki Sushi is not excatly the creme of the corporate crop, is it? You are really clueless, and very inconsistent. Now you're going to tell us that you have said all along that a MBA is worthless, aren't you?

Nice flip-flop...
A/HL Grad Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 22:52:23 (PDT) [64.168.20.133]

Jerry Hello

The LLB/MBA joint program that you were talking about, how long does it take?
Help Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 22:39:42 (PDT) [67.241.61.66]

Hey, any of you heard of Queens University? It's in Kingston, On. Canada, it's among the best in North America, and a lot cheaper. I am not a student there yet, but, I plan on attending their once I finish my BA. If not Queens then Schillich (sp?) at York U (in Toronto, On. Canada), which is also another popular business school in Canada. The unique thing about York is that there is this one program that gives you an LL.B and an MBA, first of its kind.

Just wondering if any of you guys heard of these Canadian school, or even further, any of you plan on attending? I really suggest these for people with a low budget, especially you Americans since your American dollars could be exchanged for high Canadian dollars.
Jerry, HELLO! Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 18:05:19 (PDT) [216.221.44.167]

I am Wharton grad and chose Wharton over Harvard. Why? Because the fit for me was better at Wharton...I wasn't too keen on an all-case study school. And I definitely wasn't alone. Lots of people in my class chose Wharton over Harvard and Stanford.

Plus, if you plan to go into finance, you're better off going to Wharton (or Chicago) than HBS or Stanford. I've been in investment banking for 8 years and worked with dozens of Wharton, Chicago, Columbia and NYU grads, but very few HBS grads and only one Stanford grad.
WhartonGrad Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 15:54:36 (PDT) [202.8.237.28]

A/HL Grad,

From an employers point of view. The MBA is just another marker. It basically shows 3-5 years of real work experience and what particular area of the company they most likely fit, based on their concentration.

I would not laugh too hard about local job market in NYC. I recently saw a the resume of a good candidate w/ MBA from a top 5 B-school for our company...currently working as a head sushi chef. I wasn't even aware how tough it was out there, until a recent manager meeting and my employees were telling me sob stories of their aquaintances. So I admit a certain amount of "cluelessness" to area not directly related to the companies health.

As for whether or not B-school education has a dramatic effect improving a employees quality of work or the executive skills. I cannot say. I can say the B-school degree will get you some opportunities with employers.

I can say we delegate responsibility on an individuals performance and readiness to take on certain responsibilties. Sometime it is a sink or swim situation because we just dump the responsibility on people.

As for racial balance. I have my own solution for now. I have a company with good asian prescense at the executive level and a very diverse ethniticity at entry level.

I understand racial diversity will increase at the executive level as the company grows to gain some credibility in the mind of Public Corporate America. But for now it suits my needs.
AC Dropout Friday, September 06, 2002 at 14:40:41 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

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