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SF AM,
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"Look it is very frustrating debating with people who do not use knowledge or facts to debate."

Are you stating facts or opinion. We could go on for hours about whose more qualified than whom to debate a topic. Two lawyers go before a judge and each claim their side is the TRUE story. The economists counsel the president to raise or lower taxes. Which one is right? It depends on political realities vs. economic stimulus. Scientists and mathmaticians disagree from time to time. Which one of them is correct?

SF AM, stop acting like you're superior. You don't know all the facts about what an MBA can or cannot do because as society changes, so does educational, social and political needs.

AC Dropout gets my attention any day over your supreme ass.
Political Observer Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 09:29:37 (PDT) [167.230.38.7]

AC Dropout,

The reason why you are so vehemently for the MBA degree is basically that is the only degree which you THINK you can get, with your work experience and all that. You probably won't get into a good law school or medical school or even a Phd graduate school.
There is no way that J.D.'s or Ph.d's are excluded from the top executive positions in companies. Once again, I'll reiterate my point, MBA's are not a prerequisite for any position including top executive positions in companies.
Chinese American Monday, September 16, 2002 at 14:13:52 (PDT) [128.118.150.89]

SF AM,

Maybe your definition of "free market" and mine are total different. Laize faire economy is about unregulated business. Which mean at some point monopolies can exist, false marketing will exist, and a whole slew of social injustices will exist...all in the name of the bottom line.

Without intervention and with no concrete proof that diversity in management will increase the bottom line. I don't see the motivation for companies to try and ethnically diversify their executive structure.

I'm just a businessman trying make sure my employees can get paid and make their bonuses in the corporate structure I set up.

"prevents survival of the economic fittest"

What is this Darwin theory of economics 101. I've never heard of this, but I have some knowledge of Darwin in a biological terms. Okay I will humor your analogy of corporate structures and living organism. Excluding viral life all life are motivated by the respiration process, just like all corporate entities are interested in the revenue generating process.

Let's look at group structures of wolves and domestic dogs. Both exhibit pack mentality to ease their respiration functions. If a group of dogs and wolves hunt for the same area for resources, do you think they will try to cooperate and make a super pack. Or will one pack try to destroy the other pack.

That's basically "free market" in a nut shell. Both results are possible. But neither the super pack or the individual dog or wolf pack have a definite advantage over the other. Unless a human get involved in the pack and make it desirable for them to cooperate together. That same is true in a large corporate environment, with no distinct advantage in having diversity in the management pack, there will be only status quo.
AC Dropout Monday, September 16, 2002 at 13:47:06 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

AC Dropout,

The glass ceiling=free market?!?!??!

If you studied economics, you will know that anything that prevents survival of the economic fittest prevents the free market. The glass ceiling is a purely social restraint. I recommend that you go to an economics porfessor with that statement and see how he or she reacts.

Look it is very frustrating debating with people who do not use knowledge or facts to debate. If you don't have an MBA, don't claim to know what it is about. If you don't understand economic theory, don't throw out blanket statements that do not make sense.

Again, can we please turn to something constructive in this forum? Change needs to occur for MBA programs and Asians. If too many people are like AC Dropout, then nothing will improve.
SF AM Monday, September 16, 2002 at 09:35:50 (PDT) [165.123.243.13]

A/HL Grad,

Those same comment of paper work and high fees can also be said of lawyers. hahaha

There is nothing magical about an MBA, JD, PhD, or MD when it comes to salary and preceived importance.

In each career you can just trivalized it as knowing where to look for referrence and being smart enough to interpret them in context of the situation at hand.

Your post on this subject is making less and less sence. Have you ever hired anybody before for an executive position which did not need a JD as a pre-requisit?
AC dropout Sunday, September 15, 2002 at 21:41:51 (PDT) [209.122.237.54]

Political Observer,

I agree with your points. I mean I support people with MBA because it is a key marker we use in our hiring process.

If we had the time to grow and train every management and executive position in the company. It would take us more years to get to this point.

The MBA is an experience like a college degree or a highschool degree. We have employees who only have highschool or BA or MBA. There is no question that one of our highschool graduate who has been in the company since the beginning is make more than some of our MBA graduates. But that is more of a factor of time and our desire to reward someone who can handle the responsibilities and gained the knowledge capital in our firm.

But we don't have to time to home grow every position. So we recruit from outside. And an MBA is a marker for 3-4 years experience with a desire for executive responsibility.
AC dropout Sunday, September 15, 2002 at 21:33:49 (PDT) [209.122.237.54]

"However, an MBA basically teaches a person to be a good executive in a company. Nothing more; nothing less."

Spoke like someone who has no idea what goes on in business school and has done the most curosory reading of the last b-school brochure. Actually, no. One of the major criticism of a MBA is that it does not effectively teach someone to lead an organization or parts of it (the job of an executive). In fact, MBAs are criticized for leading by reporting...generating a load of paper and project to justify an exorbitant salary.

An MBA teaches you some business lingo and allows you to possibly network. Nothing more, but perhaps less.
A/HL Grad Friday, September 13, 2002 at 19:28:35 (PDT) [128.12.131.120]

AC Dropout,
Alot of companies are treating college degrees more liberally these days. You know there used to be a time when an MBA grad could earn $100K plus right out of school. Those days are long gone.

I know people with english, marketing and political science degrees working in financial management, public relations and for brokerage firms. Times have changed.

An MBA is still definitely worth having for executive management and organizations kills but don't be surprised if the lady or guy working right next to you in a junior executive position makes alot more money than you do and has even greater status in the company.
Political Observer Friday, September 13, 2002 at 14:03:20 (PDT) [167.230.38.7]

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