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Ac Dropout,

That's what they used to say about sports teams before integration (i.e., blacks were allowed to play). They said homogenous white teams would play better together and win. See how well that turned out...
Jux Rux Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 08:37:50 (PDT) [165.123.243.13]

Mag,

Sure it does. Think about it this way is if you're an asian executive and feel uncomfortable working closely with non-asian. The same argument could be used for white, black, and purple executives. Doesn't that effect the efficencies and profitability of the company.

What if hypothetically I propose that an ethnically homongenous company is more efficient and profitable than ethnically non-homongenous companies. The free markets are full of those types of companies.
AC Dropout Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 10:23:06 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

AC Dropout,

I beg to differ. People often hire who they identify with. That's why whites hire whites. This is not for profit purposes or talent purposes. This has nothing to do with free market.
Mag Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 07:27:50 (PDT) [165.123.243.13]

Asian Bubba,

Depends what you mean by "financially secure"

If it means a job, 1.5 kids, a mortgage, 2 cars. You can take your years in the service and get an "iron rice bowl" job at the Post Office. I hear they transfer the years from the service for seniority.

If financially security means having more money than you know what your going to do with it in your life time...then yes you will need to strike it out on your own at some point.
AC Dropout Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 13:20:25 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

LSD,
Now I don't want to discourage anyone from seeking an MBA. Keep in mind when senior executives seek advise they want qualified advice from someone who combines their practice experience with proven sophisticated techniques.

I'm certain many asian parents who started landscaping, laundry and restaurant businesses were sure to save enough money to send their children to good colleges.

When you combine the education and common sense of asians it's a big plus for our country and in corporate communities.
Political Observer Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 13:02:30 (PDT) [167.230.38.7]

'My experience has been that asians are so competitive and resourceful that it's literally threatening to insecure people. Even asians who don't graduate from business schools and have MBA's have a knack for doing smart things.'

True, there are many Asians who are not even educated and they have gone far in society. Such are the entreprenuers and the restauranteurs who are making serious $$$ as Asian MBA Business school graduates are grinding their teeth in corporate America.
LSD Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 11:10:24 (PDT) [66.212.81.190]

AC Dropout and Political Observer,

Thanks for the response. I guess the only way to be financially secure in this country is to run your own business.
Asian Bubba Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 13:11:30 (PDT) [216.37.128.1]

Asian Bubba,

Join an asian company and you will see the same thing done to non-asian in the private sector.

Self interest is what rules the corporate environment.
AC Dropout Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 11:29:07 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

Asian Bubba (cool name),
you wrote
"I've had excellent evaluations since I've been here, but it seems like the upper management would rather keep this "geeky Asian engineer" as a lab rat."

There is a preferred element of containment when it comes to asians promotions. Everyone wants token minority representation to "prove" they're not racists.

My experience has been that asians are so competitive and resourceful that it's literally threatening to insecure people. Even asians who don't graduate from business schools and have MBA's have a knack for doing smart things.
Political Observer Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 09:54:15 (PDT) [167.230.38.7]

Political Observer,

I totally agree with your comment to AC Dropout. I am a Captain in the Army reserve in charge of a combat engineer unit, and a mechanical engineer in the civilian sector. I also have an MBA.

The military is pretty good when it comes to upward mobility regardless of race. My civilian company, on the other hand, have done some shady things to say the least. It is a predominantly white organization (northeast pennsylvania). I am one of only two Asians in the company. Although I have the credentials (MBA and leadership experience in the army)for a management position, the executives seem to promote only their own. I've had excellent evaluations since I've been here, but it seems like the upper management would rather keep this "geeky Asian engineer" as a lab rat.

I've been looking for a new job in the Philadelphia area which is two hours from where I live. I think I have a better chance of getting to the top in big cities that are racially diversed.
Asian Bubba Monday, September 23, 2002 at 09:24:09 (PDT) [216.37.128.1]

Political Observer,

Just like me and my asian executives making "cracker" and gwei-lo jokes.

Like I said all in the name of self interest.

So if there was a federal law that stated to the effect "all corporation with 100 employees or more must have minority demographic that reflect the local region..." I would support it.

But if the federal law stated "all corporation with 100 employees or more must have a diverse ethnic makeup..." I would not support it.

It becomes a debate about self-interest principles and principles. I support self-interest principles whenever the choice present itself.
AC Dropout Monday, September 23, 2002 at 07:02:58 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

Johns Hopkins ABC,

Are you kidding me? LOL please tell me you are. There are almost as many Asians in the business fields as there are in the medical and engineering fields. LOL, some might argue even more. Bottom line is business/medicine/engineering have always been the traditional Asian fields.
Count Bassee Friday, September 20, 2002 at 15:06:40 (PDT) [198.81.21.22]

AC Dropout,
you wrote
"Once again in the name of self interest. I really don't want government intervention dictating the demographic of my excutives."

I think you'd change your mind though if you heard some of the conversations and anti-asian jokes I hear. I mean let's be frank, there are racists who only want to hire people who look like them.

Asians tend to believe that only hard work and connections get you in the power dome. If that were the case the number of asian executives would be proportional to the number of corporate managers, CEOs and other executives. No knock against you AC, but keep in mind corporate executives often do the right thing (hiring minorities) when the public and government (big brother) is watching. They do need to be kept in check.
Political Observer Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 15:09:06 (PDT) [167.230.38.7]

It seems as though Business is no longer a field that interests many Asians. Anyone agree?
Johns Hopkins ABC Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 12:02:45 (PDT) [198.81.17.59]

SF AM,

It all in the name of self interest. I need people to have MBA degree to make our recruiting process easier. If people with JD and PhD and MD started applying for these positions. We would have to change the whole hiring procedure

"I am surprised that you would argue aginst diversification, something that would benefit you if you indeed are Asian"

Once again in the name of self interest. I really don't want government intervention dictating the demographic of my excutives.
AC Dropout Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 10:10:11 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

Chinese American,

Well contrary to your belief, I was accepted to Medical, Dental, and a Math graduate program after my undergraduate career.

I never said a JD or a PhD will exclude you from the corporate environment. I am just stating that to the average employee in a corporate environment a MBA is more obtainable.

Where as JD and PhD employees are actually people doing career changes. Or in very specific departments in Corporate environment.

"MBA's are not a prerequisite for any position including top executive positions in companies."

Of course not. Some of the most famous executives in the world are actually acedemic dropouts.

However, if you look at the degrees of top executives in public companies in the USA, I'm pretty confident the MBA holders out number the JD, MD, and PhD holders.
AC Dropout Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 12:03:53 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

AC Dropout.

Funny you don't have an MBA and I do, and I am the one who is arguing that it is not useful.

Companies do a lot that interferes with the bottom line. Let's look at the plethora of recent examples (e.g., Enron).

There is distinct advantage in having diversity. Every industry that has diversified has seen this: science, sports, art, etc. I am surprised taht you would argue aginst diversification, something that would benefit you if you indeed are Asian.

Poltical observer,

I thought name calling was reserved for people in high school and younger?
SF AM Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 11:02:56 (PDT) [165.123.243.13]

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