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Yeah, who made up this list! To leave out the University of Chicago is ridiculous. They send, per-capita, more clerks to the Supreme Court than anyone but Yale. And also have the most students per capita, after Yale, becoming law school professors.

Also, they are probably the third most national law school after Harvard and Michigan. Most NYU, Penn, UVA, Columbia people stay on the east coast. Yale people do whatever the hell they want. Berkeley and Stanford stay in California or go to New York. Harvard, Chicago, and Michigan people go all over the country including significant numbers in Chicago and California--not just the East Coast.

I'd say Michigan is probably the most underrated after Chicago. They both are titans among elite law firms nationwide. NYU has just recently made a leap up through clever marketing, lots and lots of cash, and the benefit of being in New York.

I'd say Harvard is the best place to go for law firm work except maybe in DC and New York...where Yale might be better as you don't have to worry about grades either! If you want to do something besides work for a law firm go to Yale...professor, public interest, government, politics, U.N., etc.

My brother is going there next fall...deferred for one year...anyone going there or a grad. from there have any advice.

There is defintely a bias, especially against Asian males. Asian females seem not to have as much working against them in 2002...whereas you Asian males have stereotypes and white male egos to deal with...whatever just make your money and get out of law--most Asian Americans, if not most all other people, went into law because they didn't know what else to do...

As for being "white-washed"--what kind of idiot posts that kind of crap. If you think driving hot rod acura integras, wearing baggy jeans, greasing up your hair, talking in an ugly fob-black affected, unintelligable googledy dook, listening to Asian pop music, going to Asian clubs, hating the the "man", and studying a few bits of ethnic pride manuals makes you "asian"--you're an IDIOT!!! Study a bit more...all this "asianness" is simply an inferiority complex taking the ugly trash of modern American and adapting into "asian" culture...anime and hondas and Hong Kong movies culture is not...;)...
AsianRant Saturday, June 29, 2002 at 21:51:02 (PDT)

i don't think it's necessarily true that berkeley's ugrad GPA is not respected. i also think that boalt hall is a much more respected law school than uva. there is an asian american site created by law students to educate younger kids. www.yellowworld.org. these law students are cool though. they don't try to fake the funk. don't try to sound all intelligent when all they're spewing is fluff. and they're aware of the going-ons within the asian community.
law student Saturday, June 29, 2002 at 11:46:34 (PDT)

AC,

Actually, while I was at law school, my career counselor mentioned intellectual property law but told me that, ordinarily I must pass the Patent Bar, which requires engineering degree, which I do not have.

Upon reflection now, I wonder if she had been correct. Have you heard of intellectual property attorneys without engineering degrees? I would like to hear from attorneys who are solos or in small offices how they feel about their practice.
Idiot-savant Friday, June 28, 2002 at 13:08:47 (PDT)

Idiot-savant,

Intellectual property rights is a hot legal field right now.
AC Dropout Friday, June 28, 2002 at 07:59:13 (PDT)

biaknabato-
I spot checked your data at http://career.berkeley.edu/Law/lawStats.stm#school and I did not find any glaring errors. I am looking forward to seeing your conclusions, because as far as I'm concered, i cannot draw anything form these sets of data. I don't see what comparing yield rate to acceptance rate would accomplish. However, I did come to some conclusions after comparing the berkeley data to that of my school, UVA.

My conclusion is that Berkeley's ugrad GPA is not respected within academia, or at least within law schools, and the notion of Berkeley being a great ugrad to get entry into a top grad school is surprisingly false. I'm quite happy that I passed on instate tuition and chose UVA over berkeley- even though my asian relatives say, "Arizona?" everytime I say "UVA"-, because apparently, graduate programs are aware of berkeley's low grading standards and overally low quality of undergrad education (their faculty and thus grad programs are first rate). I came to this conclusion by comparing the UVa data from http://www.virginia.edu/~career/grad/LSAT-GPA01.doc to the berkeley link I provided above. I only looked at the top dozen or so schools, but it is quite clear that grad schools add about .2 to the GPAs of UVA grads relative to berkeley grads. In other words, a UVA grad needs only ~3.5 to get into a top dozen or so school, but a berkeley grad will need ~3.7. The top 3 schools (Y, H, S) might not favor UVA, but the data from the UVA side is spare so it's hard to say for cerrtain. Here are some excerpts:

NYU 3.65UVA 3.79UCB = .14
PENN 3.48UVA 3.86 = .38
UMICH 3.5UVA 3.77UCB= .27
COLM 3.60UVA 3.70UCB = .19

However, the true difference between UVA and UCB GPAs are probably much greater. Here is why: the UVA data is from 2001, while the UCB data is from 2000. Law schools get more competitve as the economy gets worse; as in a recession, there are no jobs for poli sci majors. Incidentally, admission to law school was much harder in 2001 (the UVA data) than it was in 2000 (when the berkeley data was taken). ANd for those of you who applied this year, you'll know that it was even harder than 2001, which was harder than 2000.

Here is something that I do not understand and I would like to hear others' ideas. An LSAT score from UVA is , at some schools, held in higer regard than an LSAT score from UCB. For exmaple:

Penn 164UVA 167UCB
Cornell 163UVA 166UCB
Duke 167UVA 169UCB

I don't get this; doesn't this defeat the entire purpose of standardized testing? There does not appear to be a different at a few schools and ocassionaly when the UCB LSAT is lower than the UVA lsat, it is only by 1 pt- which I think might have to do with the tougher admissions in 2001.

Cheers

let the comments flow

CAgentility Friday, June 28, 2002 at 01:57:37 (PDT)

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