CAN CHINA AVOID THE SOVIET UNION'S FATE?
he People's Republic of China likes to compare itself with the United States. Both governments were forged to throw off the imperial yoke. Both are amalgams of many races and nationalities. Both are great continental powers capable of harnessing immense resources to promote national agendas around the world.
Beijing's bosses cite these parallels to justify China's ambition of returning Taiwan to the fold -- forcibly if necessary -- and violently suppressing movements for Tibetan independence, Moslem separatism and religious tolerance. The party line: "In a few decades we will be as prosperous, unified and democratic as you Americans."
Unfortunately, some observers see closer parallels to the former Soviet Union.
Founded in 1910 to free Russian peasants from oppressive landowners and a weak imperial government, the Soviet government quickly and ruthlessly expanded into a superpower that rivaled the United States in military might and reach. On top of nearly 300 million citizens of several dozen captive nationalities, the Soviet Union became the puppetmasters of virtually every Eastern European government. By 1989 it was buckling under the burden of superpower competition. In 1991 the communists lost power to the reformist Yeltsin. The Soviet Union broke apart into Russia and a dozen independent republics. Today Russia is a nation of 150 million struggling to build a capitalist economy from the rubble of the communist meltdown.
Among the Soviets' earliest converts were Mao Tsetung, Zhou Enlai and other young Chinese intellectuals who saw in communism salvation for the Chinese people from western imperialism and internal corruption. Mao's long struggle against Chiang Kaishek and the Kuomingtang would have ended disasterously without the support of dozens of ethnic minorities in northwestern China who believed his promise of ultimate political autonomy. Their help proved more valuable to Mao than the billions in American aid and direct military assistance to Chiang. By 1949 the Kuomingtang had fled to Taiwan and the PRC ruled the mainland.
Beijing's bosses have been as ruthless as the Soviets in consolidating territory and suppressing separatist movements. But they have been far more successful in creating a functioning economy. They began capitalist reforms in 1979. By 2001 China's economy had become free enough to enter the World Trade Organization. For the past two decades it has grown at an average annual rate of 9%. Few of China's 1.25 billion go hungry and about 125 million enjoy living standards comparable to Malaysia and the Philippines. By some measure China has just surpassed Japan in GDP and will surpass the U.S. by 2025.
But China's future as a united nation is far from assured.
Even assuming peaceful reunification with Taiwan and victory over Tibetan separatists, Beijing's leaders face some big hurdles. They must integrate a billion subsistence-level farmers and workers into the consumer economy of the east coast or face ethnic discontent on a scale that would dwarf America's racial strife of the 1960s. Yet burdening the developed regions could breed separatist sentiment in Guangdong, Fujien, Manchuria and other regions. Over 100 languages and dialects are spoken in China. Long-suppressed religious minorities are becoming better organized thanks to the internet and other communications technology.
Are China's prospects for staying united more like those of the U.S. or of the former Soviet Union?
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To demonstrate what an amazing idiot this Gzus twit is, I will provide quotes from the Talmud that are related to this Jewish "wisdom" he's talking about, the teaching to look out for the best interests of one's own group first and foremost:
"If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there." - Moed Kattan.
"Only Jews are human. Non-Jews are animals." - Baba Mezia.
"The children of non-Jews are animals. Such children are legally bastards, since non-Jews are animals." - Yebamoth
"Property of non-Jews is like the desert, whoever gets there first gets it." - Baba Bathra.
"Jews may use lies against non-Jews." - Baba Kamma.
"Adultery is not forbidden with the wife of a non-Jew." - Sanhedrin.
"If a Jew kills a non-Jew, the Jew is to go free." - Sanhedrin.
Wow, such f*cking great wisdom. Even the UFO cult from Taiwan is superior to this putrid pile Gzus admires so much.
If Gzus is truly ABC as you claim, then I must congratulate him on the great job he does sucking on the penis of Judaism. He must really love the taste.
As for Hamilton's rule - man, talk about pathetic. Gzus, do you really understand it and how to apply it? If you do, give us some sample calculations correlating genetic relatedness to societal altruism. Step up to the plate and prove your knowledge. I don't think you can do it.
Phil
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 13:56:25 (PDT)
[That's it for this Jews/Talmud business. Let's get back on topic. --Ed]
"What does Jews got to do with anything in China. The Jews that immigrated to Shanghai during WWII have been totally absorbed into the Han culture. Their significance to Chinese culture in Shanghai is a small footnote in history."
Wrong, the wealthy Sassoons, Jardines and Rothschilds came to China before WW II. They established Jewish companies in Shanghai which made it a world class city and created jobs for the locals at that time. The Sassoons and Jardines were also responsible for the opium trade in China. Without them, HK would probably never have existed in the 1st place.
You're the one who needs to dig up the history books and do some reading.
Southern Chinese
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 12:04:54 (PDT)
SoCal Asiam
There seems to be a lower percentage of such good looks in Hong Kong, for whatever reason.
The above comment couldn't help but stick in my mind. For some reason, Hong Kong is the country/territory with the highest measured IQ on this planet, yes, ahead of every Western and East Asian country. I think they average in at 107, whereas the average IQ of countries is measured at 90, with the average US IQ being set to 100. Of course, the Asians in Hong Kong scored higher than the Westerners there.
I suppose this came to me because it seems to suggest what I suspect; that evolution is accelerating in and around cities more than urban areas, and intelligence is selected for more than looks.
gzus in NYC
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 11:29:09 (PDT)
gzus in NYC,
"all the good things in Chinese history has been made possible by my ancestors and guys like me, whereas guys like u screwed up everything we built."
How do you figure? You're an ABC of ROC descent and I'm a FOB from ROC.
Chinese people don't even recognize you as Chinese most of the time. Your just another Oversea Chinese in most people books.
You even have an ROC citizenship number still? Are you registered with the police in ROC? Can you even vote in ROC?
How are you Chinese? You culturally Chinese? You literate in Chinese?
Or are your Chinese because you cannot fit in with the latino, whites, blacks, and Jews in NYC. So you are Chinese by Cultural reduction?
"Hitting Taiwan with these missiles won't make them surrender, I mean, how obvious is that?"
With 2% of ROC citizens living in PRC. And 30% of manufacturing for all ROC business in PRC. The missles are just another factor that will make unification inevitable over time. But like I mentioned before 400 missiles are currently pointed at ROC. With more on the way. USA has not done anything to counter that direct threat in the last 20 years. PRC doesn't need to build up for a missle attack. It been there all along. PRC will need to build up for an invasion though. That will take another 10 years.
Bascially ROC and PRC are economically and culturally interwined into the future. Once the military factor is overwhelmingly in PRC favor. The political aspirations of a few leaders in ROC will also die out.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 11:04:23 (PDT)
AC
By your very definition the Han OS of China is dominating over the Jewish OS in China
Lol, the "Han OS" got China into its rut in the first place. Actually, no, China never really got into a rut, it was doing what it had always been doing over the eons. It just happened that the Europeans came by and by virtue of greater force derived from more advanced technology and a stronger economy imposed their will on China. And now, China is trying to catch up, not using its values, but using the values of the West.
Basically, Confuciusm, Taoism, Buddhism are irrelevant. Just try exclusively practicing those philosophies in the US for example; you will be destroyed. And please don't remind me that fool Richard Gere is some wanna-be monk; that was after he became rich and famous.
Also, again, I'm not espousing a "Jewish OS", I'm just saying Judaism has some good ideas you will not find in any other religion/philosophy. Big difference.
AC
The Jews that immigrated to Shanghai during WWII have been totally absorbed into the Han culture.
Those guys were largely kicked out by the communists when they took over and had their property seized. If you didn't know, some of them became fabulously rich and lived fairy tale lives during their very brief stay in China. It's the same whichever country they go; they end up disproportionately wealthy. Now you can try to pretend it's all an accident or simply ignore reality but the intelligent thing to do is take at least a quick look at what they are doing right. It's not an ego quesiton to me like it seems to you, it's a simple practical response.
Okay, this is my final post on this OS/Judaism thing, it's getting old.
gzus in NYC
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 10:35:00 (PDT)
gzus in NYC,
What does Jews got to do with anything in China. The Jews that immigrated to Shanghai during WWII have been totally absorbed into the Han culture. Their significance to Chinese culture in Shanghai is a small footnote in history.
By your very definition the Han OS of China is dominiating over the Jewish OS in China.
The more I read your post the more it becomes obvious you are not Chinese literate and probably have never openned a Chinese history book.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 09:53:00 (PDT)
AC
However, though the Mig-29 itself is a better plane, the electronics suite installed in the F-16 is actually superior to that of the Mig-29
Btw, I never compared the F-16 to the MIG, actually, you brought up the F-16, and then you brought up the MIG, and then you compared them, all on your own. My position is that China's weaponry is far inferior to the US's, and then you tried to cherry pick matchups.
However, it's still insane to think that the US has any major weapons systems inferior to Russia's these days; even the lastest Russian weaponry is based primarily on technology decades old, whereas US engineers have access to everything cutting edge and never stopped for 15 years like Russia did '85-2000.
AC
USSR philosophy and ability to produce military equipment is not to be taken lightly on the world stage.
Actually, this is because Russians are pretty bright, both Jewish and non-Jewish. My favorite theory is that all the stupid and skinny Russians starved or froze to death during harsh Russian winters long ago.
gzus in NYC
Monday, May 27, 2002 at 14:22:07 (PDT)
AC Dropout
Assuming the worst case situation. USA 7th fleet would never arrive in time.
Lol. The US sees everything China's military does. Building up an invasion force takes many months, compared to the few days it takes to shuffle some ships and planes over from Guam, Hawaii, Japan and Korea.
Again, u aint gonna get any transports across with the US/Taiwan in total command of the air and water. I mean, this is most basic. If you can't get this to work, forget it.
Hitting Taiwan with these missiles won't make them surrender, I mean, how obvious is that? Rather, it will force their hand and they would declare independence with the backing of the world community.
That's your "superior" strategizing, like your "superior" MIGs. Rather, all the good things in Chinese history has been made possible by my ancestors and guys like me, whereas guys like u screwed up everything we built.
gzus in NYC
Monday, May 27, 2002 at 12:00:37 (PDT)
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