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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
IS THE AA GENDER DIVIDE REAL?
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Wednesday, Jan 22, 2025, 06:38:55 AM)
sian American women are abandoning AA men by the millions. Young AA women seek out any race of men but their own. Women like Amy Tan write books and make movies that dump on AA men and glorify Asian women in relationships with white men.
That's the perception of many AA men.
On what do they blame this state of affairs? Brainwashing by media that play up white men while cutting Asian men off at the knees. Desire for payback by AA women who feel slighted by their families and Asian society. Large numbers of non-Asian men with blind fetishes for Asian women. Some even acknowledge that Asian men are often too fixed in their ideas of how a woman should look and behave, causing many AF to feel devalued.
Other Asian Americans see AF outmarriage rates as merely a natural state of affairs for a 4% minority population that includes many recent immigrants. The outmarriage gender gap will narrow as growing Asian population centers provide ready access to bigger pools of singles. Besides outmarriage is't the same as rejecting one's racial identity, they argue. Many AF who outmarry retain strong identification with their Asian identity.
Is there really an Asian American gender divide? Is so, what's behind it? If not, what's behind the perception?
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To "The Truth":
"Who cares what the WM says, like they understand what it is to be Asian…"
An interesting piece I read recently says that one of the defining characteristics of the concept of "whiteness" in America is that the opinion of "whites" is given precedence over that of nonwhites, that "whites" are "more equal" in that sense. One might observe how many whites plague Asian American sites with their inane, clueless posts - usually claiming there is no racism against Asians, or that Asians are racist against whites - and find some support for this assertion.
To "Melvin Rude" (an apt name):
First: my handle is spelled "Miscegenation". Second, this particular forum is for discussion of the Asian American gender divide, not specifically media issues or the Chinese government. My post was an explication of why media has the effect of widening and deepening the Asian American gender divide. Negative coverage of Asian countries is just one of the factors, and a minor one at that.
I am willing to answer your comments, which do not really apply to this forum, on the "National Missile Defense & China Relations" forum. Briefly, I do not agree with you. But you should expect that.
Miscegenation is great
Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 20:10:47 (PST)
the other thing i dislike about the internet is how people can obtain new identities and disguise themselves so easily. i think this was the problem in some of the other boards on goldsea.
this melvin rude dude sounds to me like roger incarnate. notice how the sentence and grammar and reference styles are so similiar between the two. beside the point, what he neglected to mention is that war propaganda against germany or russia were only against the ideologies, not against the "race." take a look at WWII and vietnam on the other hand, "japs" and "gooks" versus "krauts" or the plain "commies." propaganda necessarily relies on dehumanizing, and the visions of asians in the wars tells you much.
even though china does not have the best human rights record, there's still a good reason for the anti-american sentiment. if anybody pays any attention to the news, need i say the latest intelligence fiasco with the 767 jet with over 20 bugs?
i'll stop here before the "if you don't like it here then get out" flames of the yokels come to me. and BTW, i will join the armed services if my country, the USA, calls upon me; regardless of which enemy we're fighting because of diplomatic/intelligence stupidity by making enemies instead of friends of people worldwide.
villageidiot
Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 18:37:39 (PST)
"Miscegenation's" powers of clairvoyance fail him. Far from believing that racism doesn't exist, I'm sure that racism is universal. Racism of many styles, for instance, drips from the pages of this website. I don't know about the fairness of Misc's assessment of White denial, but obviously I don't conform to Misc's "invariable" stereotype.
Misc suffers from the same inability to understand what he reads that afflicts Villageidiot, and likely for the same reason. These gentlemen are plagued by demons. They are plagued by demons, so they read a post like mine and reflexively impute to me all of the characteristics of their demons. Addressed to me, however, their posts are largely off point.
Misc, by way of a rhetorical question, faults me for not understanding that MTV influences the way teens talk and dress. Misc's problem is that he sloshes back and forth between the general matter of media influence and the very narrow, very specific issue that I raised, the influence -- specifically -- of disparaging images -- specifically -- of AMs -- specifically -- on the opinions that AFs have -- specifically -- of AMs, and THAT in comparison with the influence on AFs of real world contact. I know that media images of various kinds have influences of various kinds on people of various kinds, but those don't help us with the comparison I brought up: the influence of uncommon media images with the influence of extensive contact. Yes, Michael Jordan sells sneakers, but so what?
I had already written to Villageidiot, "Village, you haven't understood my question. I posed it at least twice. I never made the broad claim you attribute to me, that the media don't influence people. The scope of my question was narrow. Many AMs blame the unfavorable perceptions AFs allegedly have of AMs on disparaging images of AMs in the media. For the final time, how can that be when AFs typically have extensive contact with AMs, and images of AMs in the media -- disparaging, flattering, or neutral -- are uncommon?"
As I wrote to Time to Ignore the Trolls, I can't think of too many more ways to say the same thing. However, I find myself treading once again over the same ground, this time with Misc. You know, talking to you guys is like talking to tree stumps.
Misc then takes issue with two of my premises and tells me flatly that they're not true.
I said that AFs typically grow up having extensive contact with AMs. Misc says that's not true because Misc "certainly did not." Misc is not merely illogical, Misc is wrong. If Misc would like the facts about the clustering of the Asian American population he can visit the U.S. Census Bureau's website or the website of the Mumford Center for Comparative Urban and Regional Research, or Misc can cruise around the Bay Area or LA and Orange County. AFs do typically grow up in communities where they have extensive contact with AMs.
Misc also opines that "media portrayals [of AMs] are not necessarily few." What kind of hedging does Misc intend by the phrase "not necessarily?" Either such images are few or they are not. I'm not going to quibble with Misc over it, but no one complains more about the dearth of AM images in the media than AMs do. Misc can take his argument to them.
I grateful to guys like Misc for pointing out my deficiencies, but if Misc devoted more time to his own he might have spared the board and me this long reply. Maybe he'll take the hint. Maybe he won't.
Roger
Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:02:24 (PST)
Melvin Rude,
"(according to the Drudge Report and various papers)" -
That's called hearsay. Did you actually read the Chinese newspaper or watch the Chinese TV program that did this supposed bias report. I doubt it. You're just a sad victim of American propoganda.
"What about bias in the Chinese media towards your "typical" white Americans?"
I don't doubt that in period movies and TV shows, Chinese portray westerners as evil. What do you want, westerners invaded China for god sakes. They won't be portayed as saviors.
However, in modern shows, westerners are protrayed better than most asian will ever be portrayed in USA media. In China there are variety shows that have segments devoted to western university exchange students performing skits. They skits range from classical to modern. Blacks and whites are never portrayed as a sterotype. No one tries to make fun of their accents. And the audience encourages their performance.
It will be a cold day in hell before I think I see a bunch of FOB chinese university students get the the same kind of reception on David Letterman, Jay Leno, or even the Appollo.
In recent Chinese news. A plane ordered from Boeing, to be Chinese counterpart to Airforce 1, was discovered to have 29 listening devices in it. From meeting room to the bathroom.
If USA behaves in this manner, what is China suppose to think. When was the last time you bought a "Made in China" article of clothing and discovered a Global Position Device on it to track your every move.
Like I mentioned before, you don't even understand Chinese. You have no clue what the Chinese government is saying. All you know is what a English translator tells you. You are a sad victim of misinformation and propoganda.
This has nothing to do with the gender divide, you ignorant cracker.
AC dropout
Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 13:28:45 (PST)
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