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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
IS THE AA GENDER DIVIDE REAL?
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Wednesday, Jan 22, 2025, 06:38:56 AM)
sian American women are abandoning AA men by the millions. Young AA women seek out any race of men but their own. Women like Amy Tan write books and make movies that dump on AA men and glorify Asian women in relationships with white men.
That's the perception of many AA men.
On what do they blame this state of affairs? Brainwashing by media that play up white men while cutting Asian men off at the knees. Desire for payback by AA women who feel slighted by their families and Asian society. Large numbers of non-Asian men with blind fetishes for Asian women. Some even acknowledge that Asian men are often too fixed in their ideas of how a woman should look and behave, causing many AF to feel devalued.
Other Asian Americans see AF outmarriage rates as merely a natural state of affairs for a 4% minority population that includes many recent immigrants. The outmarriage gender gap will narrow as growing Asian population centers provide ready access to bigger pools of singles. Besides outmarriage is't the same as rejecting one's racial identity, they argue. Many AF who outmarry retain strong identification with their Asian identity.
Is there really an Asian American gender divide? Is so, what's behind it? If not, what's behind the perception?
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Gregory-the Saint,
"Unless your from overseas, I think AMs bear the stigma of being nerds, quiet, shy, weak, and no nothing of true relationships"
You are right? Why do AM that were born here look like they are a totally different species from us FOP?
FOP
Monday, March 11, 2002 at 14:01:24 (PST)
AC Dropout,
Sorry, your TV listings still don't wash with me. Most kids study after school, not glued to the set for hours. Face it, your teenage/early adult years were spent watching seventies shows in the evening.
You arrived here in 1980. The "boogie-down" era was over by 1980. It doesn't explain your usage of the term.
Feb 27 Rooting for Asian Athletes
"That sounds like something I read in a sociological paper at the Pres. Ford library [during his term]"
Dec 13 Outmarriage by Asians
"I was at the President Ford Library once, going over some asian research material. It would seem during President Ford term, there was a sociological study of Chinese Asians."
Dec 31 Professional Prestige and Fulfillment
"Even though I'm married w/children and run a successful business."
Pres. Ford served as President from 1974-1977. His library was built in 1980. If you were born in 1972, you were reading sociological papers "during his term?" At the age of 8? Anyway, a person wouldn't select the years of '74-'77 to do research unless he was actually doing research as a teen or an adult during that term. He would use more current information, not stale data a decade earlier. You're definitely early forties. I see that you're married with more than one kid. No reason to get worked up over this. Like I said, there's no age limit to these boards. People already accepted the fact that you're early forties. All the evidence bears that out.
33 yr. old father of two
Monday, March 11, 2002 at 11:10:43 (PST)
huu76,
Most of those games are targeted at the population in Japan. Most of the fighting games are played by Japanese males. So they want to see young cute Japanese girls when they fight.
Games catering to a Japanese female gamer will have cute animal mostly. Like Bubble Bubble.
I don't think they think much about the USA when they make their games. We're a secondary market at this point, still.
AC Dropout
Monday, March 11, 2002 at 10:22:03 (PST)
33 year old dude.
"boogie-down"...was a term I used in the "Boogie Down Bronx" a while back about abortion post. Maybe you're not a native NYC and not notice the revival of some aspects of 70's pop culture. But the new eubonic term for the Bronx is the "Boogie Down Bronx" within the Latino community in NYC. Whether or not this will spread into the black community or even the greater youth community in the NYC area has yet to be seen. But I heard it from one of my employees and I liked it, thus use it quite often.
AC Dropout
Monday, March 11, 2002 at 07:11:42 (PST)
I dropped into a Toronto arcade last week because I had some time to kill after class, and noticed something about the games they are putting out now.
As far as I know, all these games were created by Japanese men.
When looking at all the characters they had created, there sure was a disproportionate number of AF.
There were about equal AM/WM characters and the token black guy.
Anyway, I wonder what the character lineup would be like if it was AF who made these games.
I think it's odd how AM can make a big effort to represent the AF in the strongest media they control here, and AF can so easily discount us.
huu76
Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 21:57:10 (PST)
"question 5: if the mass media possess such enormous power on our 'mating templates'....how do you explain those of us who were not controlled by the media....were we the defects? "
It's known as a generalization. If a rule of thumb works for an overwhelming proportion of the population, ya might think there's something to it instead of dismissing it as not 100% accurate. Nothing in the social sciences ever is.
T.H. Lien
Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 20:54:34 (PST)
Answer 1: Unless you are a bacterium. The social make up that we precieve is created by the individual. More specifically the brain which resides in the individual.
Answer 2: I like to bash western thought and process like the next empowered asian. But the repeatable scientific process is something not to be dismissed lightly.
Answer 3: Societal norms are created by humans and pass down through society in the mythos. Ask anybody who's been in the USA long enough; to describe a nerd, jock, yuppie, etc. The descriptions will be 90% similar among a swath of people from different social economic background. A society wouldn't function very well if the individuals in it did not all subscibe to some back sociatel norms, including preconcieved notion of role behaviors.
Answer 4. Mating templates are not all alike. It is description of how an individual chooses a mate. It is like cookie cutter shape. If an individual meets a mate that fits their template, mating occurs. The template can be influenced by the experience an individual has over a life time. But is most malable prior to puberty. Templates may not even be the best mate for an individual. Sort of like the person you know who is always in a bad relationship. They are unaware of a selection factor in their template which is allowing a unsuitable mate into their lives.
Answer 5: Mass media will always have influence on the individual. Even if the individual rejects the archtype mate presented by mass media, is in fact effected their mating template.
Yes, hypothesis are always been over turn in acedemia. But unlike Frued, these hypothese are still standing in thier respected fields. I will let the experts debase them at their leisure or evolve them to become more accurate models. If they've been debased already in the last 5 years, since I've been out of school, so be it.
AC dropout
Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 11:45:22 (PST)
33 yr. old father of twom,
Hate the break the news to you. But I'm still under thirty. We had 3 syndicated channel in NYC growing up. If you check the TV guide for our area during the early eithies and look at channel 5, 9, and 11. You will see a slew of classic 70's TV shows in the eithies were airing after school.
Next you be telling me I'm not Asian.
What are you some white guy that can't handle a young, sucessful, articulate asian male?
Not all asian males need to be 33 to have 2 kids you know. Your benchmarks in life have no bearing on mine.
AC dropout
Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 11:16:30 (PST)
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