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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
IS THE AA GENDER DIVIDE REAL?
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Wednesday, Jan 22, 2025, 06:38:55 AM)
sian American women are abandoning AA men by the millions. Young AA women seek out any race of men but their own. Women like Amy Tan write books and make movies that dump on AA men and glorify Asian women in relationships with white men.
That's the perception of many AA men.
On what do they blame this state of affairs? Brainwashing by media that play up white men while cutting Asian men off at the knees. Desire for payback by AA women who feel slighted by their families and Asian society. Large numbers of non-Asian men with blind fetishes for Asian women. Some even acknowledge that Asian men are often too fixed in their ideas of how a woman should look and behave, causing many AF to feel devalued.
Other Asian Americans see AF outmarriage rates as merely a natural state of affairs for a 4% minority population that includes many recent immigrants. The outmarriage gender gap will narrow as growing Asian population centers provide ready access to bigger pools of singles. Besides outmarriage is't the same as rejecting one's racial identity, they argue. Many AF who outmarry retain strong identification with their Asian identity.
Is there really an Asian American gender divide? Is so, what's behind it? If not, what's behind the perception?
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T.H. Lien,
Some of your posts from an AM perspective are just plain odd. You claim to be a third year university student but you sound so old. Forget about that, I think you're gay! Here's the proof.
Feb7 Stereotypes
"A lot of homosexual organizations will try to distort ANY male-male physical contact to represent sexual tension, dominance-submission games, whatever...Well when they get to Asia and notice it's culturally acceptable for guys to make physical contact when talking and closing hours at bars witness a lot of guys with their arms around each other's shoulders for supporting walking down the street and then try to convince everyone to make the jump from guys getting in bed with each other and engaging in sexual acts..."
You seem well-informed on gay issues and the gay way of life.
Feb- Bicultural lives
Your post on acceptance of minorities homosexuals in this country was deleted. You seem depressed and resigned that homosexuals might never be fully accepted in this country. I do remember your reference to homosexuals and a poster's retort to you about how depressing a conversationalist you would be. You bring up homosexuals very often.
Mar22 Gender Divide
"Well not always. To give you a stupid example, if you are a man, and start to get fat and look like you have breasts, you would do everything you could to get rid of them and achieve a flat chest, but regardless, still not find a flat-chested women attractive..."
Do you usually notice the breastS on males? Are you confusing them with male to female transexuals in Malaysia, Singapore, and Hongkong? My point is, what kind of a straight male would write posts like yours? Your homosexual innuendos and references leave little doubt that you're gay or have homosexual tendencies. If you're gay, it's better to be out in the open about it so no one gets confused by your posts.
Ramrod and butt straight AM
Wednesday, March 27, 2002 at 07:00:07 (PST)
Concerned AF:
"I wonder if violence or harassment is to be expected every time an AF is seen with a WM"
I've also been in situations that you have described...I wonder about this as well.
Penelope:
"i think part of the reason why they turn to white guys and shun asian guys is because they were shunned by asian guys first."
This makes no sense...if AM did shun AF, there would be no need for AM to be concern about the high AF outmarriage rate.
I love being Asian:
"If I could offer some advice. It would be to seriously sit down and talk to your friend as to why she feels the way she does and how she sees herself."
This is the point I was trying to make...it seems like a lot of AF have had insecurities and identity problems...although the situation may differs. I agree with your advice.
Stop the hype:
"Actually the rate of AM marrying WF are starting to catch up to WM/AF marriages."
I'm noticing this too.
Village idoit:
"perhaps your writing skills should be questioned here? but this is just going back and forth arguing over gramar"
You're correct...my graMMer sucks, and I'm aware of it. Looks like you need improvements too...with your spelling perhaps?
I said: "In the asian culture, women are inferior to men that is why they possess the subserviant title."
You said: "i'm not going to say "ass," but where are you getting this from?"
You want me answer this, AGAIN? My comments are based on my personal experiences and observations...unlike some, they're not asssumptions.
"from those i've seen going out with WM, it is nothing less than living up to the lucy liu image that gets them with WM in the first place."
May I make a suggestion? You should pursue a career as a shrink...since you have the knack for understanding AF...AF would be intrigued with your insights and wisdoms on reasons AF date WM...perhaps you should also tell AF how they should dress and behave.
"if the media portrays AF in one way, then can at least refute it by not being so "easy" with WM."
You're absolutely correct. AF should NOT be so easy with WM...and I dare to say, some of us are NOT easy. But I'm more interested in understanding why you were so quick at assuming that AF are easy? Did the "media brainwashing-attempts" affect you?
"you should see some of the disgusting giggling and flaunting of their sexuality."
Explanation please...I'm all ears.
"and since this is again one more day behind i'll wait to see if the next message got any more "creative" play on the pseudonym "villageidiot" before i'll respond with equal name calling. and if you got a short term memory go back and read end of february and beginning of march. it's there so don't deny it."
This is sooo ridiculous, it makes me laugh. I HAVE admitted on the previous postings that I can be harsh...which includes the 'creative play with your name'...and I know you are aware of this b/c you responded to that posts...so who's the one with short term memory?
"and finally for the last time on this as well, unless the flame war cont.”....”i kind of didn't want to participate in the first place on this board, but first roger and then this "be" got me ticked off."
Doesn't sound like you’re trying very hard to 'make amends'. You need to take your own advice..."takes two to tango."
I have to point out something I find really interesting...even contradicting.
I think Jay was the one who said: "AMs on average are not aggressive when it comes to chasing women."
You angrily replied: "we AM like to take things in more subtle ways if the girl REALLY interests us. we AM probably don't like to play mind games most of the time so we don't come on "strongly" in the "booty-call!" behavior."
Wouldn’t this classify as being non-aggressive? Again, why do you dislike the term 'non-aggressive'...its not debasing AM.
This is also interesting...you said: "we AM like to take things in more subtle ways if the girl REALLY interests us."
Later you said: "the difficult thing is that we AM need more motivation because of frequent rejections."
Call me stupid, but I'm confused. I thought you only pursue the girls that are really interested...so why are you being frequently rejected? Hopefully, not many AM can agree with you on this.
Repost:
"Even if you do not see an Asian woman being in your life, what you do and what you say will hurt or help our fellow Asian brothers who do."...."Regarding the Asian women who step on us: remember this, my Asian Brothers – those Asian women do not deny us; they merely deny themselves of us."
Well said!!
MLK:
"My recommendation would be to sell this idea to those already sold."
Either you or I lack brain cells...explain to me, if someone is already sold on the idea, why re-sell it?
"If more of us non-sell-outs really go out there and pitch for our men, eventually, the tide will turn."
If it was that simple to solve, the gender divide wouldnt even be an issue. Your suggestion would help..but its not going to eliminate the problem. As as I have said MANY times before, many factors have contribued to the problem...that's why the solution is complicated.
"And yes, being gorgeous has everything to do with it. If you feel beautiful, the confidence shows and that attracts the attention of those who wonder where the attraction is in the men you go out with...and with that comes a possible exploration into the unknown...do you understand that roundabout explanation?"
1) Being 'gorgeous' has nothing to do with 'feeling beautiful'. 'gorgeousness' typically refers to physical beauty..not inner beauty. However 'attractiveness' can refer to inner beauty...but you didnt use this term.
2) Are you telling me that we all look to the more 'gorgeous' people to define who we should date? Do you also look to these people to define how you should act, dress, and think? Sounds like you need to re-examine your own explanation.
"Most girls of all races do quite well as far as not being oppressed, with mediaplay, peer-examples, and plenty of outside influences such as teachers, preachers, and family friends."
Then how do you explain the insecure AF the males have encountered and are complaining about?
"why would adolescent insecurities...instill self-hate in you or your race?"
I have explain this already...and I'm tired of repeating myself for those few who are delusional.
"I have news for you...at the age of 18, the boys only have one thing on their minds, and that is NOT meaningful conversations with a girl."
I wish you were there to guide me at age 18..you're so wise. So you're saying...we should accept that we are only a piece of ass to guys. Should we also do anything else a guy desires to please him?
"This changes a little bit (just a tiny little bit) as they mature,.."
Professor MLK, does this also mean he will always look down upon me, and my opinions would never be regarded b/c I'm only a piece of ass since this only "changes a little bit (just a tiny little bit)" over time?
"but to base your entire self-worth on what the boys think when they see a pretty girl is to disregard all input from other sources..."
Read over your own comments...it sounds to me that YOU'RE the one who bases your self-worth on what other thinks. Also, did I not tell you..'regardless of our past experiences, it's our responsbility to find strength within ourselves'?
"The white male reigns supreme in job securities and monetary rewards. The rest of us just deal with it and find other ways."
What are you implying? In my previous post, did I not say, "Life is unfair, but I'm not going to hate others b/c of it"? It would be helpful if you had read ALL my comments before you reply.
"Life isn't fair and you just deal with it and go on."
Why are you repeating what I had told you?
"You can't blame your lack of success (or whatever it is you are grumbling about) on past experiences or external forces with which you had no control over."
my lack of success? Do you need glasses to read?
Grumbling about? The only thing I'm 'grumbling' at this second is you. You make no sense!
AC Dropout:
"If you believe that a majority of AF insecurities stem from a family life with male dominent views. Then I guess any Latino and any immigrant nuclear family group country a traditional European country, should also have a 40% outmarriage rate in their female population."
Yes, AF insecurities (which stem from family life) contribute to their desire of creating an identity for themselves. I dont know much about the Latino culture and the pressures they endure...but Latino women dont have the mass media deeming them as worthless, sexual objects...they dont have a large number of WM seeking sexual pursuits, and they do have latino men pursuing them.
Again, I'm not saying that it is acceptable for AF to use their insecurities, family issues, and all other factors as excuses for discrimination of any kind. Nor do I view myself as a victim...personally, I think struggles must exist in life to make us stronger and more perceptive of ourselves and our environment. I'm just trying to help you all understand from an AF perspective possible reasons the gender is dividing.
be
Wednesday, March 27, 2002 at 02:51:41 (PST)
concerned AF married to an AM
Why are you married to an AM? You have nothing but negative things to say about AMs. Or is that fictituous, just like your entire post to take another cheap shot at AMs?
just like you, I can be lying
Wednesday, March 27, 2002 at 01:09:43 (PST)
To concerned AF married to AM,
You say, "The gender divide is being blown out of proportion to the point where every AF is seen as hostile towards AMs. I've never met an AF who rejected AMs nor expressed any antagonistic sentiments towards AMs. Of course, that doesn't mean those types of AFs don't exist. From what I've seen of numerous AF/WM couples and AFs in general, I think they are quite rare."
Its obvious you havent been around. You say you've never meet an AF who has expressed antagonistic sentiments toward AM? Congratulations!!! You just met your first one!!! You!!! I'm predicting alot of people, both AM and AF, will be scrutinizing your obviously biased view. Where do you live by the way?
You say,"On the other hand, AMs who get upset have issues of their own. For example, I was walking with a WM colleague of mine after lunch when we encountered three Asian males heading toward us. They might have been gangster types. I wasn't sure. They were verbally abusive and I felt physically threatened. I couldn't understand what they were saying but there was no mistaking their hostile behavior and who it was directed towards: me. The AMs thought my co-worker was my boyfriend. They kept walking next to us and it seems like they were trying to shove me. My WM co-worker is 6'4 and muscular. If
provoked, he could have easily and single-handedly beaten those three scrawny runts to a pulp. Due to the crowds, he didn't notice what was happening. I didn't want to ruin a pleasant walk in great weather so I didn't say anything.
Hold on a second, your story is very inconsistent. Did the three asian males walk toward you , and then turned around to walk next to you? Gangster types , huh? Sounds like a AM stereotype to me. If they looked like gangster types, I'm surprised your big hunk of a man but dumb as a rock WM didnt see anything- big crowd or not. It seems like the three musketeers were trying to shove you? What exactly does that mean? Did they shove you or not? You sound like Bill Clinton. Verbally abusive? Physically threatened? Since you the utmost confidence that your colleague would beat the crap out of those guys, what were you afraid of? Do you really expect me to believe that any self respecting AF would take crap like that, but decided not to do anything because she wanted to have a nice stroll through the park?Crowded, huh? Did anyone else see the deviant behavior these three very evil asian males were practicing? I'm sure someone behind you would have seen it and said something about it.
You say,"On another occasion several years ago, I was in a hotel lobby with one of several Asian friends on vacation. My AF friend and I were targets of a group of AMs who rushed passed by us and called us whores because we happened to be talking to a WM about the various sights to see. He was merely a helpful stranger with whom we struck up a conversation. Those AMs came by so close I thought they were going to knock my friend down. The AMs all had fat faces, and were wearing muscle tank tops. Their clothing was absurd since they were 5'4 or shorter and were ridiculously muscle bound and squat. I bring up their physical description to point out that these little busters (or meatballs as the AMs in my group later called them) should look to themselves and their inferiority complexes before judging others.
Excuse me, Miss AF, how old were these evil asian males who TARGETED you for assassination? High school boys? If that's the case, then that's normal. Boys will be boys. White, black, hispanic, arab, indian and the list goes on. At least they didnt shoot you, right? Be thankful for that. Im surprised you, your AF friend,or even your AM friends didnt talk some sense into these busters for disrespecting you and your friend. I think its ludicrous the way you are describing these asian males as ugly, short , or ridiculously muscle bound and squat, yet adoring all the WM as hunky or tall. What do you look like? You're probably ugly yourself. It seems like you put too much emphasis on looks.
You say,I witnessed the same type of hostility towards an AF while I was sitting in a mall food court. Some AMs were making fun of an AF who was with a WM at a table a couple of rows down. They were saying how ugly she was. The irony was that she was pretty and the AMs quite unattractive (to put it mildly) and their weird chortling sounds made them look worse. Anyway, I saw her hug the WM goodbye. The heckling got louder and more hostile. I guess the WM's handsome looks and physique made them even more jealous. Seconds later, an AM arrived with a baby in a stroller and a toddler in tow. He shook hands with the departing WM and joined the AF who picked up the baby. The AM was her husband. The AMs bothering the AF suddenly grew quiet and just stared (possibly in shame)?
Either your stories are a bunch of lies, or you not very good at storytelling. Were these asian males gangster types, too? muscle bound and squat, maybe? It seems to me that you have only had negative experiences with asian males. Do you have anything positive to say? You were so quick to point out how hot the WM. Are all white males hot and have great bodies? I dont think so. Were you sitting near these asian males at the mall? How come you didnt say anything about it? You were in a food court, so you had nothing to be afraid of. Chortling sounds? I dont think these asian males were that stupid to be overtly racist or sexist. I bet if there was an AM/WF walking through the food court, there would also be a group of white males acting the same way, probably even being more hostile. Dont think that ONLY asian males would have the mind to act out in selfish ways like that.
Conclusion: I think you are just another AF who hates AM, who also would likely cheat on her AM husband for a hunky WM. You think AM are the whole cause of the gender divide? Its only fiction to you, right? You know how AM feel about this, right? You are not an AM , so I guess you dont.
P.S Dont give us AM such a hard time, us gangster types are very sensitive.
AM West Side
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 22:31:07 (PST)
addendum,
the census data provided considers "southeast indian" as part of the "asian" category. i know there is at least one indian person posting on this divide board, but if you really break it down, india is its own subcontinent (the latest earthquake about indian pushing up the himalayas shows this) and how much does the geisha girl apply to indian girls? so if you really want to break it down to "east-asian" i wouldn't be surprised the outmarriage rates even go higher.
this is the crisis situation for which a very small minority has the highest outmarriage. can you AF who keep denying this explain it?
stop the denials already!
villageidiot
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 21:43:51 (PST)
"First off, there is NO credible statistics to justify this. Where did you get this?"
CRIPES! WTF is with the deniers? the census bureau CLEARLY has all the data available.
for example, just a quick summary of the 2000 census shows the following link
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/hh-fam.html
if you just look at the summary of 2000 (the first report) you'll see that not ONLY do asians make up the largest percentage of interracial marriages/living arrangements with whites, but also the largest shear quantity in NUMBERS of such couples. the second detailed report will give you all the break down in data you want.
nothing has been assumed about male and female breakdown of asian/white pairings, so feel free to look at some older data for such info.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/interrace.html
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/race.html
the 2000 census has not yet been fully analyzed in depth so "interracial" breakdowns are unknown, but if you can project AF/WM TREND(!) for 2000, it's likely to have grown as well.
you wanted stupid statistics? you have the statistics. but this doesn't say anything about "behind the scenes" motivation of such couples. why is it that the LARGEST PERCENTAGE AND NUMBER of "interracial pairings" occur between AF/WM when the asian population is relatively small ~4%?
now quit asking for statistics because you're too lazy to look up www.census.gov
villageidiot
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 21:38:34 (PST)
concerned AF married to an AM,
It is in my opinion that there has no doubt been a sense of hatred and antagonism towards AF by AM. I believe that this hatred is not justified! What business is it of anyone who any given AF goes out with? I sincerely believe that all this goes back to a hyped sense of divide between both sexes. Which causes jealousy and resentment. I'm very sorry to hear about the number of uncomfortable situations that you've encountered. Please understand that not all AM have that hatred.
whatever Matt (a.k.a. Proud 2 b Azn)
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 20:36:25 (PST)
In response to "concerned AF married to an AM":
I agree that violence and anger are not the way to deal with these problems.
However, I found the tone of your message very interesting. The white men in your post were described with phrases/descriptions like these:
- 6'4
- muscular
- could have easily and single-handedly beaten those three scrawny runts to a pulp
- helpful stranger
- handsome looks and physique
While the Asian men are described as follows:
- They might have been gangster types.
- scrawny runts
- fat faces
- Their clothing was absurd since they were 5'4 or shorter
- ridiculously muscle bound and squat
- little busters
- the AMs [were] quite unattractive (to put it mildly)
Now I understand that you were giving us these examples to describe how some asian males are hostile toward AF/WM couples (or the appearance of such) but I find something more in the tone of your post. For example, while your white male coworker is "6'4 and muscular", and you say that he "could have easily and single-handedly beaten those three scrawny runts to a pulp", asian men who are muscular are viewed in a totally different way: you say "[they] were ridiculously muscle bound and squat" and also mention that "The AMs all had fat faces" which seemed out of place other than to insult these men. Even though you say the asian men were muscular, you say "[they] were wearing muscle tank tops. Their clothing was absurd since they were 5'4 or shorter..." They are muscular men, so why is it absurd for them to wear muscle tank tops? Just because they are short? What does that have to do with it? Muscle tank tops are made for people to show off their muscles, not their height!
You also assume that the reason the asian men you saw were heckling the asian woman was because "the WM's handsome looks and physique made them even more jealous" while they were "quite unattractive (to put it mildly)"
While I understand that your post was made to discuss the hostile attitudes of asian males toward AF/WM couples, there is an additional message that comes through loud and clear: that you view asian men in a different way than you do white men. The fact that. in all of your examples, you describe all the white men as handsome and and tall and their muscularity was a good thing, whereas muscular asian men are not viewed in the same light, and you make it a point to mention that they are short and ugly in all of your examples. I have one asian male colleague at work who's ex-girlfriend was white. He had a similar experienced where an asian woman confronted and insulted him with regard to his choice of a girlfriend. If he had described the confrontation to me in this way: "So this *beautiful, tall, toned, tanned, blonde white woman with exquisite facial features, a large bust, and amazing blue eyes* and I were having lunch when this *ugly, short, fat-faced, asian girl who was so flat-chested she looked like a twelve-year-old and had really small eyes* came up to us and started insulting me", I would think he had some MAJOR issues as well. Obviously this is slightly exagerated, but it has a tone very similar to your message. Do you see my point?
I would be interested in seeing a response from you with regard to the things I have pointed out here because it seems as if your post may have inadvertently exposed your own stereotypes and biases regarding asian and white men.
Matt Richardson
meme0114@yahoo.com
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 19:50:22 (PST)
This is in response to "be":
When I asked:
"My question is if you PERSONALLY feel that your asian features are less attractive than white features, not about how men perceive you."
You said:
"Yes, the asian features are less attractive than the white features b/c they do not conform to the today's standard of beauty."
I find it interesting that you said "the" asian features, because that's not really what I asked. What I'm asking you is this: do you find YOUR asian features less attractive than the white features of a white women? Do you think YOU are less attractive because of your asian features? Do you think you would be more attractive with different colored eyes, eyes without the epicanthic fold, or a more narrow, pointier nose?
Also, since you think white features are more attractuve than asian features (especially on men), would you think of your future son (with a white man) as less attractive if he inherited more of your asian features (asian eyes, nose, skin color, height)? Why or why not, and what does this say about the way you view yourself and your race?
Matt Richardson
meme0114@yahoo.com
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 16:56:55 (PST)
Thank you Be. I've spent two days trying to write a sufficiently polite response to Matt's questions, but you did a pretty good job. I answered his question before he asked it. Labels permit stereotypes. I don't think I have to explain to present company why stereotypes are not particularly desirable.
Ahankara
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 13:48:07 (PST)
Hello Concerned AF,
I couldn't help but notice that in all of your examples, the AMs are considerably less attractive than the WMs. How interesting.
Do you ever see plain AFs with dorky WMs? Do you ever see young AFs with old WMs? Do you ever see mail order Asian brides with their loser White husbands? Maybe all such couples have moved away from your area into my neighborhood. How interesting.
You take pains to describe WMs in a favorable light; you talk about how your coworker could easily beat the three "scrawny runts" and how some AMs were jealous of a WM's "handsome looks and physique." I wonder if you will ever talk about any AMs that way. Why put WMs on such a pedestal? Are you an Amy Tan clone? Or perhaps a WM in disguise?
I would never be rude to anyone in public, but it so happens that I have the skills and training to be devastating when things get physical. If provoked, I can most likely beat your handsome, tall and muscular WMs to a pulp. What do you say to that?
Phil
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 13:35:56 (PST)
I wish some AFs would wake up and face reality. AMs attack AFs with an intensity and ferocity that is unwarranted. Where do you see on Goldsea anyone attacking AMs or AMs being provoked? I lost count of all the insults and demeaning comments about AFs. I don't see any that insult AMs. Okay, maybe one or two in reply. Even then they are mild in comparison and are just critiques. Did any one of you AFs wonder why AMs are so quick to bash AFs with such ease?
The reason: The majority of these AM posters are not interested in AFs. Why do you think they come up with every conceivable racist insult at every opportunity? These AMs are whitewashed. Take note of the following:
1. When AFs stand up for themselves however rationally and reasonably, they are relentlessly attacked by AMs and are labelled AM haters.
2. Reassurances by AFs are not given any weight b/c you guys don't matter.
Most importantly
3. AF/WM relationships and anything short of AM praise are seen as threats to AM desirability to WFs, plain and simple. AMs are afraid that potential WF girlfriends might reconsider their Asian fetishes and develop doubts after reading about how happy AFs are with WMs. Did it ever occur to AFs that AMs doing the hating are already in AM/WF relationships right now? Then you have others who want to enhance their image to increase their chances with WFs? I having nothing against WFs and I wish them all the best in their relationships and interests in AMs.
My post is to alert AFs to the realities here. Most AMs in the real world are not like this, just the majority of the AM posters at this Gender Divide. AMs are not interested in discussing the "gender divide" rationally. Their primary goal at this forum is to:
1. Demonize and make look AFs look bad by blowing the gender divide out of proportion. By repeatedly saying how horrible and insecure AFs are, people start to believe it. However, it backfires and ends up making these haters look like a bunch of animals.
2. Victimize AMs so that people especially WFs feel sorry for them.
3. Serve as an outlet to unleash their whitewashed hatred of AFs and frustration at their lack of success in securing WFs.
I repeat: AMs are not interested in the perspectives of AFs and don't want reassurances from AFs. They already know the truth: AFs who hate AMs are next to non-existent. You AFs would be better served by sticking up for yourselves instead of ass kissing and buying into their condescending theories about AFs. They don't want you.
streetsmart Korean AF
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 13:19:19 (PST)
"i think part of the reason why they turn to white guys and shun asian guys is because they were shunned by asian guys first."
"That's a false statement if I've ever heard one. Your saying that AF are turning away from AM because AM aren't giving us enough attention. How does that explain our identity crisis? Are you telling me that AM completely neglect AF? I doubt that's the case."
it explains the identity crisis b/c they're not viewed by asian males as attractive in the asian sense. it's not an entirely false statement--i've seen many examples. i lived in a predominantly white town as well--less than 1% asians. and i've seen asian girls get shunned by other asians and turn to whites. it may be a subconscious decision.
penelope
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 12:47:47 (PST)
hey check out the new show "the bachelor". You guessed it 2 asian girls are competing for wm! Again media has a big hand in gender divide
yes its real
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 11:41:07 (PST)
"Then I guess any Latino and any immigrant nuclear family group country a traditional European country, should also have a 40% outmarriage rate in their female population."
Depends on the skin complexion. Outermarriage between the white looking Latino women and white American men is very high indeed! Several beauty contestants from the southern part of South America (Uruguay, Chile and Argentina) exclusively date white American men. Darker skinned Hispanics do not have that opportunity. The term Latino is an American invention to keep businesses completely white and deny blacks employment. This invention is an abuse of Affirmitive Action. I went to an AA office at my university...guess what...I was the only dark skinned person there, and guess who was rejected...I. Every white looking female "Latinos" got AA fellowships, but not me, who is the most likely to be discriminated against.
In traditional, let us say South or East European country...depends on what you call intermarriage. Do Poles marry Poles and Lithuanians marry Lithuanians...the answer is clearly no. They marry other East or Southern Europeans. Italians marry French or Greek, and some marry Slovenians...in the end, by the third generation, they are all simply white..white ethnic or non-Anglo Saxon may be...but white nonetheless. Once again let me repeat...parents of a Vietnamese or Chinese female would rather have her marry a white than another person of East Asian ancestry due to long standing animosity among these groups. I know a family where the Korean parents have good relationship with one daughter married to a white, whereas they have totally disowned another daughter married to a Japanese American (that too fourth generation from Hawaii, with no connection to Japan). The general attitude among the Asian families is that please marry your kind, failing which marry a white person, and not person of another Asian ancestry
Asian Female
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 08:37:48 (PST)
I have a question:
Why do Japanese girls like Black men? This group of asian women are the most accepting of Black men in my observation. Wht's the reason behind this phenomena?
puzzled guy
Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 08:17:41 (PST)
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