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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
IS THE AA GENDER DIVIDE REAL?
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Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 06:05:49 PM)
sian American women are abandoning AA men by the millions. Young AA women seek out any race of men but their own. Women like Amy Tan write books and make movies that dump on AA men and glorify Asian women in relationships with white men.
That's the perception of many AA men.
On what do they blame this state of affairs? Brainwashing by media that play up white men while cutting Asian men off at the knees. Desire for payback by AA women who feel slighted by their families and Asian society. Large numbers of non-Asian men with blind fetishes for Asian women. Some even acknowledge that Asian men are often too fixed in their ideas of how a woman should look and behave, causing many AF to feel devalued.
Other Asian Americans see AF outmarriage rates as merely a natural state of affairs for a 4% minority population that includes many recent immigrants. The outmarriage gender gap will narrow as growing Asian population centers provide ready access to bigger pools of singles. Besides outmarriage isn't the same as rejecting one's racial identity, they argue. Many AF who outmarry retain strong identification with their Asian identity.
Is there really an Asian American gender divide? Is so, what's behind it? If not, what's behind the perception?
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Chinese-American:
"From this day onward, I make a commitment to tell all my guy friends (of all Asian ethnicities) to give up on AF."
Good luck. Asian women are not easy to pass up. My guess is most of the guys who you try to convince to give up on Asian women will come up several "inches" short of their goal.
OK! Seriously though. There's an Asian woman who works in my office. When I first saw her I wanted to literally bite her ass. She's got a great attitude. All the guys (black and white) in my office wanted to her, but she's already taken by an Asian guy (her husband).
Just face it, in general, Asian women LOVE their Asian men, but many stray to white and black guys. I don't get upset when black women choose white, Asian or Hispanic guys to date/marry. Women are entitled to choose their soul mate. It's perfectly natural to be attracted to people of other races.
Geoff DB
GeoffDB02@aol.com
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 21:42:41 (PDT)
[172.158.99.52]
FOP,
You misinterpreted. When MalcolmnX said that he was mocking about Whitewashed African Americans. Yes, there are the Whitewashed African Americans, just as there are also WhiteWashed Asians and WhitewWashed latinos. This is what he was talking about.
you twist words to suit your own needs FOP
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 13:26:14 (PDT)
[205.188.208.74]
Just a girl is a silly white girl
AF
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 13:20:23 (PDT)
[205.188.208.74]
GeoffDB,
The silver lining is BMs still have BFs stand firmly next to their men as your posted said. Let's look at AMs in the US. What if Connie Chung or Amy Tan are black? You think the black community would let them off lightly when they publicly slag off BMs on TV or in novels? Connie Chung might have to issue an public apology on TV and book publishers might pull Amy Tan's works off the shelves. Asian Americans by and large are still in the yellow uncle tom mode. Immigrant parents think assimilation equates severing cultural ties with Asian heritage. They think being American means stop being Asian. That's why Asians have yellow uncle toms like Connie Chung and Amy Tan captializing on Asian men bashing. That's why we heard the excuse like dating an AM is like dating your own brother. That's why you were told by AF that she would not date you cos you aren't white though she considered you good looking. I don't know how many years it will take them to crawl out of this mode.
FOP
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 12:56:56 (PDT)
[139.95.250.2]
Korean boy wrote:
"I been reading everybody posts. I never visited San Francisco so I don't really know how divided the gender division is. I lived in NYC all my life."
SF isn't much different from NYC, they are both financial centers and the Asian populations are quite similar to each other in both cities. You have the immigrant Asian population which for the most part do not interact much with people outside of their own community. Most of them are typically less educated and poorer, you do have a few with technical skills from the old country, but they are usually already married before they came here. They are most likely found in places like Queens, NYC or Sunset district in SF. And then there are the more educated Asians who grew up and are educated in the US. They usually work in the financial, media, law firms etc.. They usually live in expensive, posh high rise apartments in the the heart of the city (SoHo, upper east side, Pacific Heights, Marina). The majority of AFs out of this group would never ever consider dating AMs. Of course if you count all the AFs, then the numbers will balance out some what.
So when we talk about AA gender division I automatically focus on the Asians who grew up in the US. There isn't really much of a gender division amongst 1st generation Asians.
Deng Ai
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 11:48:42 (PDT)
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Political Observer,
How can I be a smartass at the expense of BMs? You even pointed it that AFs commit a full court press for white guys yourself. If I was not being political correct, I could understand.
FOP
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 11:47:15 (PDT)
[139.95.250.2]
AC Dropout wrote:
"Search harder, it was made by an activitist group in SF. I'm not here to work for you. You're here to learn from me."
Oh, but last time, you said ALL Asian activist groups, and the information was easily found on the web. So now it's down to one unnamed activist group in SF whose easily accessible link you refused to provide? A case of the incredibly shrinking AC Dropout? Sure I want to learn from you, but am I supposed to take every "arbitrary" claim you make at face value?
Deng Ai
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 11:19:31 (PDT)
[198.6.73.7]
Rare stuff wrote:
"obviously, you're talking about rich people, poor people's opinions are rarely asked."
Obviously you'd want to talk about rich people, they are the ones who have the luxury to pick and choose the best. Poor folks get what they can... just as they say: beggars can't be choosers.
"(If your link stated the contrary --I couldn't find the exact page.) Rich West Africans prefer women with white or bleached skin, but poor Nilotic nomads still prefer darker-skinned than themselves."
The link still works, I just tried it. Poor people can easily say they prefer to be poor rather than rich. Judge people by their actions, not words.
"If the dark-skinned would have been the colonial masters the official trends were vice-versa, now."
I don't know. For a while, the Muslims were the masters. And the Muslims still think they are the superior ones, so you can't assign this to inferiority complex.
"I don't know about cars, except that cars are a symbol of prestige for snobs."
The analogy is the same. When you are rich, you have more options to choose, and you have the capacity to pick what is the most desirable. If you don't like the car analogy then try houses. Just because poor people live in cheap, small houses does not mean they prefer cheap, small houses.
"Dark skin is, as far as I can judge it, associated with manliness. (Think of the image of tanned bodybuilders, sailors etc and the fact that there are phenotypically usually more dark-skinned men than women.) Civilised females have to be pale because they shouldn't show any sign of virility so that they get symbolically subjugated by the tanned/dark-skinned male."
Huh? I think you are making this way more complicated than what it needs to be. The article was about Saudis with $300 million to spend on their vacation and they wanted young blondes. No where was skin tone mentioned, and I doubt they had a light skinned AF with blonde hair in mind. I guess the real question is: in your TRUE heart of hearts what woman would you want if you can have any in the world?
Deng Ai
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 11:10:26 (PDT)
[198.6.73.7]
"From this day onward, I make a commitment to tell all my guy friends (of all Asian ethnicities) to give up on AF. I will convince them with all my best. Yet, I will try to also convince them to raise their kids with Asian values, humbleness and pride no matter whom they marry with."
Dude, I can't say anything else except that I am fucking outraged at this bull!
If you wanna marry an Armenian, fine. But WHY THE you gotta convince other AMs to ditch AFs? That's just bad form man. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to do such things. AFs are wonderful people in general. I would be so proud to have an Asian woman to call my own, as I'm sure she would be proud to have me as hers. I just happened to have met a very nice and pretty white girl. We could end up getting married, I don't know, it's too early to tell. I don't mention AFs in front of her. I do not discuss this painful rift in our community, because it is pointless. You just have to move on, and mind your own business. You aren't doing anyone a favor with your immature mindset and behavior.
Pissed AM >:D
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 11:04:51 (PDT)
[128.253.186.46]
"Of all the women who live in the U.S, AFs are by far the worst type of women any AM will go for. How can an AM try to go for a woman who openly and easily sell-out her own race?"
Jeer to AF: Very well-said!
That statement above pretty much sums it up. Given the current circumstances why in the world would any self-respecting, attractive AM choose to be with an AF? I guess all you can hope the AAF start to wise up a bit and get some racial pride. We can only hope.
AAF Racial Pride: Is there such a thing?
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 11:00:29 (PDT)
[206.100.103.66]
Geoff DB,
you wrote
"I used to think that white racism made Asians have racist feeling towards black people."
That is very very true. While I admit that there definitely is white racism, by no means does white racism drive asian racism against black people, especially in interracial dating and marriage.
Asians who are not open to black guys and women make it very clear that they are into white, other asians and latinos. I always laugh when blacks acuse white guys of creating asian vs. black racism. I want to fall off my chair laughing so hard. It's an entiretly different kind of racism that white racists do appreciate hearing.
Thank you for acknowledging this reality.
Political Observer
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 10:32:21 (PDT)
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