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TSJ on Shanghai Nightlife and Girls

just got back from my trip to the motherland.
Anyways, as far as girls go, they sure weren't lying about Suzhou. I could seriously spend the rest of my life there. Wuxi has tons of hotties too. Both cities are in the same region, and Wuxi is turning itself into a miniature HK, complete with Vegas style neon lights and double decker busses.

Don't believe the hype about Shanghai. They are a good 20-30 years behind HK and Tokyo. Girls are hot as hell, and dress fairly modern, but are extremely country like, and not very sophisticated at all. They try toooo hard to be like HK and Taipei, without trying to forge their own identity. Posters of Andy Lau and F4 are emblazoned all over the city. However, their fashions are still below par. I think my little sis was the best dressed girl in the city, and that's saying a lot.

The city is marketed as "a most international city," where English is spoken by many. Suuuure... you will be hardpressed to find anyone who can speak putonghua, let alone English. And let me tell you... other than Vietnamese, native Shanghainese has got to be the most annoying language out there. It just sounds horrible!

Clubs? Zzzzz... Girls just strut back and forth. No grinding, no freaking. There was this one free concert at the Super Brand Mall, a monumental Thailand/China collaboration right across the street from the tower, which featured an Australian cover band. They rocked! They were playing your typical American songs, as well as singing some A-Mei and F4 songs... and they were a mixed group of black and white! Anyways, as usual, when there is a dope live band onstage, I just can't help but get my groove on. My little sis and I decided to get up near the stage and just started dancing. No one joined us! We were just up there like buffoons, while the most anyone else did was clap their hands. What a waste. I'm sure the band appreciated the fact that at least two people enjoyed the show.

Also, we were at this restaurant at the same mall which caters to more western businesses, and the waitresses there didn't even know what a tip was! They told us we dropped our money on the table. I mean, maybe in China they don't tip, but they are in the "international business district" in an "international city," and they don't know international customs?!

We stood out like a sore thumb, with our American brand clothing. I had mostly Hollister/A&F type stuff on with Nike Shox (hardly anyone wears Nikes in China). My sis had Polo Sport and Bebe looking stuff. People were trying to figure out where we were from. Most thought HK, since we were talking to each other in Canto, and some said Singapore, and even Japan, but most were in the back of their minds, hoping that the answer was good old USA, and when they found out we were, their eyes all lit up.

With that being said, just flash your Benjis (or even Georgies for that matter), and any Shanghainese girl you want is all yours. I got more pops in three days there than I do a whole year out here, and I'm just an average looking guy of average height. Honestly, I'd rather have a Suzhou girl over a Shanghai girl. At least that way, you know what you are getting, a simple down home country girl with old fashioned values, instead of a country girl who just thinks she is modern, and will instantly turn corrupted at the smell of cold hard cash.

Beijing has some hotties, but are very, very reserved. No one wears modern fashions. No sandals or tight shirts or anything. The city is full of smog, and really isn't a fun place to be. The only thing they have are the historical landmarks. Summer Palace and Great Wall are awesome, especially the latter. Tianenman Square and Forbidden Palace? Tourist traps.

Anyways, contact me if you want to talk more. I know you guys have been there, so maybe we can swap stories.
TSJ PepePearsn@aol.com Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 16:47:29 (PDT) [67.116.70.245]

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I think you ABC's need to realise, when you go to Asia, you're REALLY not as cool as you think you are
you stick out like a sore thumb, and basically look like an idiot, sure some people might give you validation for your feeling of superiority, but let me assure you, the majority dont
I dont know about you guys, I think Edison is a total dork
made in hk Monday, September 30, 2002 at 05:03:03 (PDT) [203.37.161.136]

Traveller, I don't want to waste any time talking to you, but where did you get the idea that I don't speak Mandarin? Did I say anywhere that I don't speak Mandarin? Don't read too much into it. It's just a trip report. All I did was compare life here and over there. It's pretty amazing how people think they have someone else all figured out after only a few paragraphs, isn't it?

" But Shanghinese is a lot closer to Mandarin. Most Shanghainese speakers can pick up Mandarin easily, the same can not be said for Cantonese speakers."

OMG!!! Tell me you DID NOT just say that! Cantos can't speak Mandarin? Yeah, I wonder why most of the biggest stars in Taiwan are HK singers singing in Mandarin.

"Oh please, if you find a butt ugly girl in Suzhou. She is still butt ugly. The Suzhou label can only do so much."

AC, are there any ugly girls there though? I didn't seem to see any.

"I didn't really notice an overabunant of hip hop fashion the last time in China, but it is there."

They watch a lot of ChannelV, and it's mostly hip hop fashion on there. There are these two ABC hosts that are totally decked out in Phat Farm, Dada, Roca, and all that. Not a whole lot of people follow suit, and when they do, sometimes it doesn't look quite right. Like they try to sag, but it doesn't hang correctly. The biggest faux pas is the shoes. It's hard to look hip hopperish without the correct kicks. Obviously, there are no Lugz and that kind of stuff there, and like you mentioned, Nikes are rare (except in Wuxi).

"The only other comment I have about Shanghai is the Pajama wear in public. I mean in asia people were skippy outfits do to the wheather sometimes."

AC, I don't mean to be rude, but were you really an English teacher?!?!
TSJ <Eric@KristinKreuk.net> Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 21:31:13 (PDT) [67.116.71.246]

traveller, age ain't nothin' but a number. besides what's a vietnamese guy doing thinking he knows about china. in china viets are considered to be barbarians.
not a barbarian Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 21:13:12 (PDT) [67.116.71.246]

Traveller
LOL!! I couldn't agree with you more but you beat me to the punch. TSJ is obviously immature. All he got out of the trip to China was that Hong Kong women are better looking overall.
What a waste! Don't cancel your Playboy subscription.
You're a waste Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 16:34:32 (PDT) [152.163.189.135]

Traveller, after reading all your spew about Vietnam on the "Comparing Asian Nationalities" forum, I have nothing to say to you as well.
TSJ <Eric@KristinKreuk.net> Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 16:01:56 (PDT) [209.162.52.81]

TSJ,

How old are you? Teenager perhaps? You sound extremely shallow, immature, provincial and ignorant. You are definitely not one to speak about sophistication. Do you expect the entire world to be like the United States? You have contempt for those that don't follow your own customs to every minute detail? You can't even speak Mandarin, only your colloqial Cantonese, and you expect everyone in China to be able to speak fluent English to you? Then you go around with an arrogant and condescending attitude, as if you are someone who has anything deep to offer?

I refrained from responding to your idiotic post for a long time, but it seems you sound less and less intelligent with everything you say. I've been to the farthest reaches of China, even to areas such as Xinjiang Kashgar where Hans are but a small minority. I've befriended many people, and enjoyed great life experiences. How is this? It's because I approached and befriended people with a humble attitude and realized there was much I could learn.

I hope you are young so you have many more years to learn. You should take advantage of your youth, don't waste time. Possibly, one day you'll mature.
traveller Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 10:52:10 (PDT) [64.243.142.2]

"How can Shanghainese sound so different? It's like not even the same people developed it or something. At least with Cantonese and Mandarin, some words and expressions are similar"

I speak Mandarin, Shanghainese and Cantonese. Linguistically, both Shanghainese and Cantonese are derivatives of Mandarin. But Shanghinese is a lot closer to Mandarin. Most Shanghainese speakers can pick up Mandarin easily, the same can not be said for Cantonese speakers.

"And let me tell you... other than Vietnamese, native Shanghainese has got to be the most annoying language out there. It just sounds horrible!"

I think most people would tell you Cantonese sounds a lot closer to Vietnamese than Shanghainese.
NHB Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 08:59:50 (PDT) [63.10.150.108]

"As far as the women, I prefer the overall package of the ones in Hong Kong. I am a bit biased since I was born there, but still, the women in Hong Kong are much more educated, classy, and urbane. The women that I met in Shanghai seemed to be trying too hard and ended up being a comic book version of a modern woman."

Awww yeah! Thought you knew! I couldn't have said it better myself. Nothing beats them HK hunnies (except maybe those fly Pinays).

"I am not sure I would agree that the Shanghai women on average are any more beautiful than others around the world. I think it is just that the sheer density of women there gives a greater chance of some beautiful women to be seen."

You hit ir right on the button. The city has over 16 million people, and is extremely congested. At any given moment in time, you are bound to see something good. For instance, in Shanghai, if there are 100 people within 15 square feet of you, and 20% are fine, that's 20 people! However, in a less congested city like... say, Wuxi, if there are 30 people around you, and 33% are fine, it only adds up to 10 people. Does that mean Shanghai girls are finer? We as guys are programmed to target only the fine ones and cancel out the bad ones. That's why our perception is usually flawed. =P
TSJ Eric@KristinKreuk.net Friday, September 27, 2002 at 12:10:58 (PDT) [67.116.71.217]

"You expect Shanghai to be a replica of US. What do you do in European countries? The custom of tipping there is different as well. Are european cities not international?"

Yes, I do expect a major city which bills itself as "Chinese Manhattan" to somewhat resemble the United States. You can see the signs. They WANT to be like NYC. Are they close? Sure, to the NYC you might see in Scorcese's Gangs of New York.

Now, when I went to Hangchou, Suzhou, and Wuxi, I didn't expect to see some "bustling urban metropolis," so I didn't have the same type of preconceived notions. You are right. Maybe I did have too high of expectations. I was pleasantly surprised by the other places, but mildly disappointed with Shanghai. There seems to be a pattern there. =P

About the girls not having any energy on the dance floor... all I'm saying is that they are not the kind of girls for me. I need a girl who can keep up with me, and apparently, these ones, on that particular day and time, aren't up to par. If you read my follow ups, you can see that I didn't want to attract attention - it just followed me.

"During the entire writeup, you showed no respect for local culture"

Local culture? The point of the article was to talk about the supposed level of modernization in China, and how it compares to life back in the Bay. I'm not going to bore everyone to death by bringing up stories about Yueh Fai or the Tang Dynasty.

"Just because the locals choose not to dance the way that people do in southern california"

Like I said, if you even bothered to read the follow ups, you would know that I'm from the Bay, not LA.

"you sounds like a ABC guy going back to China"

They loooove ABC's in China now. Many stars are ABC's, such as Vanness Wu (LA), Edison (okay, so Vancouver, Canada, but close enough), Coco (SF), Christy Chung (Toronto), all the Wong Brothers (NYC), and many other lesser knowns. They are recruiting a bunch of ABC's to become stars nowadays because they have the allure, the swagger, and the style. Above all, they love Chinese people who can speak fluent English. They find it so sexy.
TSJ Eric@KristinKreuk.net Friday, September 27, 2002 at 12:01:04 (PDT) [67.116.71.217]

TSJ,

The teaching gigs were in Taipei and Taizhong city of ROC. They were okay. Just young expat type of jobs. Met a lot of nice kids.

The only other comment I have about Shanghai is the Pajama wear in public. I mean in asia people were skippy outfits do to the wheather sometimes. But I really throught it was weird the first time I saw people strolling around in public in sleep wear.

I didn't really notice an overabunant of hip hop fashion the last time in China, but it is there. Asian countries are also heavily influence by Europe, Japan, HK when it comes to fashion. So to me it seems there is more variety in style. One minute you see a girl in Daisy duke shorts and a tight tube top. The next minute you see a girl in a sundress with obvious european cut.

Oh please, if you find a butt ugly girl in Suzhou. She is still butt ugly. The Suzhou label can only do so much.
AC Dropout Friday, September 27, 2002 at 09:47:01 (PDT) [24.90.98.143]

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