Has anyone else noticed how the NY Times rarely if never, covers stories of interest to Asian Americans? If one argues that this is because Asians make up only around 10% of the population in NY, then what about some other groups the NY Times has chosen to "speak up for"? Two examples come to mind: the NYTimes features an article (printed within the last month) about how offensive the proposed reality show about Amish life is, yet never addressed the show Bonzai (SP?) , which was taken off the schedule of shows for Fox or UPN (one of the lesser name TV stations) , which featured parodies and blatantly bigoted skits on Asians. Today, there is an article on the new Abercrombie and Fitch t-shirt, one design, which says "Its all relative in West Virigina." Where was the NY TImes when an entire line of Abercrombie T-shirts came out featuring obscenely racist slogans about Asians/Asian Americans? The only type of articles the Times is likely to run on Asia/Asians (not Asian Americans) are those that describe the Chinese government as ccorrupt (not making any judgement call here either way), the Chinese people as poor and backward (see today's Books features about the diary of a poverty-stricken Chinese girl who is blessed with a western education), Koreans as being evil communist plotters, every one of whom harbors a nuclear weapon in their homes, the Japanese as anti-foreigners (again not making any judgment calls, but keep in mind that in the U.S. Asians were the only group openly discriminated against coming here through Federal Law first the Chinese, then the Japanese (laws repealed only in the 1940's), while the Chinese and Filipino laborers have been here building this country since the 1700's (George Washington did not have a classification for us and labeled us first white, then black, then :"other.") I'd love to know what regular readers of the TImes thinks about this!
Asian American history buff
Full Version: Ny Times --- Where Are The Asian Americans?
I always had the impression that NYC was anti-Asian and my suspicions just keep growing the more I know about New York. I wonder if there are any particular groups located there that percieves Asians as a threat. 
this sounds like a bad confession to begin with i'm not anti-jewish (the semite in anti-semitism includes middle eastern people other than jews) but anytime you have jewish controlled media it'll prevaricate issues of interest in favor of jews and against asians. the reason is obviously asians are the direct most threat to the jewish media control of the media and washington DC with competing levels of purchasing power and education. sad as it is to hear about the madness between israel and palestein, there are never any news items in the NYT dealing with the human suffering in other parts of the world except for whites and jews. it is a sad state for "journalism" when NYT is no better than "faux news" where "news" is merely disguised editorials. american propaganda is the most subtle and yet blatant in the world. most of these media sources don't even do their own reporting anymore, they simply copy from the news services AP or reuters anyhow.
the only fair american news coverage is perhaps NPR.
the only fair american news coverage is perhaps NPR.
hey you history buff, how much do you know of chinese coolies in the carribbeans back in the days of british imperialism? the reason i'm asking if i want to start a protest against "pirates of the carribbeans" for it's historically inaccurate portrayal of the lack of asian pirate zombies. i mean, if they can have a gaijin samurai why not an asian pirate zombie? 
Hmmmmmm... I have to go current events ( summarizing news articles for school and I have found many articles on about Asian countries and I live in New York. Their are usually alot of articles on social and political problems, particular in China. I will post some of my summarys later. I think its weird how we have so many rallies centered around African American and Hispanic issuses (though rights for everyone should be a wordly issuse) and so few Asian American rallies. 
Maybes it because I'm in New York. To honest, maybe the reason why is the New York City and the 5 boroughes, Westchester County, blah, blah, blah has an even larger population of African Americans and an equally large but still growing population of Hispanics, so it is only enviatble for more pieces focused on these cultures, raical backgrounds, whatever. But everyone SHOULD be recongized and the US is so closely invovled, economically and such, with Asia it would only seem natural for there to be more articles on Asia. Meh, what am I to say? I think the Asian American voice needs to be better heard. People are so racist. When I was in first grade, which was like 10 years ago, we had one Korean student in our class, and no one knew at the time what racism was. So kids (I don't know if they were doing this to be mean or something) would pull their eyes back and say "Chinese! Japanese" The poor kid was really upset and not only that THEY WOULD DO THIS IN FRONT OF THE TEACHER AND GET AWAY WITH IT. Even in high school now, kids are so ignorant of Asian culture it's disgusting They hear a name like "Phan" or "Yamaguchi" or "Sung Woo" and they are like, "Oh, they must be Chinese." As a kid, I learned only about slavery and civil rights movement for 3 straight years (1st grade to 3rd) Never did we learn about the Chinese railroad workers or the Japanese put in internemant camps. I only found out about this in 7th grade, and I was shcoked that they would keep this information from us. I understand not telling kids about the Holocaust, but still they should no it happened. THE WAY TO PREVENT RACISM IS THROUGH EDUCATION AND TOLERANCE.
Maybes it because I'm in New York. To honest, maybe the reason why is the New York City and the 5 boroughes, Westchester County, blah, blah, blah has an even larger population of African Americans and an equally large but still growing population of Hispanics, so it is only enviatble for more pieces focused on these cultures, raical backgrounds, whatever. But everyone SHOULD be recongized and the US is so closely invovled, economically and such, with Asia it would only seem natural for there to be more articles on Asia. Meh, what am I to say? I think the Asian American voice needs to be better heard. People are so racist. When I was in first grade, which was like 10 years ago, we had one Korean student in our class, and no one knew at the time what racism was. So kids (I don't know if they were doing this to be mean or something) would pull their eyes back and say "Chinese! Japanese" The poor kid was really upset and not only that THEY WOULD DO THIS IN FRONT OF THE TEACHER AND GET AWAY WITH IT. Even in high school now, kids are so ignorant of Asian culture it's disgusting They hear a name like "Phan" or "Yamaguchi" or "Sung Woo" and they are like, "Oh, they must be Chinese." As a kid, I learned only about slavery and civil rights movement for 3 straight years (1st grade to 3rd) Never did we learn about the Chinese railroad workers or the Japanese put in internemant camps. I only found out about this in 7th grade, and I was shcoked that they would keep this information from us. I understand not telling kids about the Holocaust, but still they should no it happened. THE WAY TO PREVENT RACISM IS THROUGH EDUCATION AND TOLERANCE.
And yes, Asian_Actor_Dude, although John Depth is enough cuteness for me, I want to see sexy Asian pirate zombies toooooooo!!! 
Ally-Chan,
Regarding asian studies at the grade school ciriculum, I feel for ya but my Catholic grade school/junior high school at Vallejo began teaching those asian history basics a grade or two earlier than yourself. My old school was over 50% Filipino and the rest were mostly hispanic, other asians and white. No blacks though.
Since you're in high school. Have you been able to study what happened in Nanking, (now Nanjing) China during the 1930s? Called the Rape of Nanking, this event makes the Nazi Holocaust look like a simple firing squad. Imagine over 200,000 - 400,000 (maybe more) people being tortured, raped, used as bayonet practice, eviscerated, experimented, executed, and such within a span of two weeks. Anyone studying World War II in the Pacific theater should have that event burned in their psyches. Unfornately, I only heard about it until my freshman year in college during an international law class.
Again Ally, read "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chiang. Not for the faint of heart.
Regarding asian studies at the grade school ciriculum, I feel for ya but my Catholic grade school/junior high school at Vallejo began teaching those asian history basics a grade or two earlier than yourself. My old school was over 50% Filipino and the rest were mostly hispanic, other asians and white. No blacks though.
Since you're in high school. Have you been able to study what happened in Nanking, (now Nanjing) China during the 1930s? Called the Rape of Nanking, this event makes the Nazi Holocaust look like a simple firing squad. Imagine over 200,000 - 400,000 (maybe more) people being tortured, raped, used as bayonet practice, eviscerated, experimented, executed, and such within a span of two weeks. Anyone studying World War II in the Pacific theater should have that event burned in their psyches. Unfornately, I only heard about it until my freshman year in college during an international law class.
Again Ally, read "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chiang. Not for the faint of heart.
asian actor dude,
Asian pirate zombies. That would be cool. However, if you look more closely at that film, there are a couple of asian/pacific islander pirates in Jonny Depp's crew. But you only see them in token roles or simple extras. Hollywood is not a great mecca for historical accuracy in entertaining films.
Asian pirate zombies. That would be cool. However, if you look more closely at that film, there are a couple of asian/pacific islander pirates in Jonny Depp's crew. But you only see them in token roles or simple extras. Hollywood is not a great mecca for historical accuracy in entertaining films.
I have my Global regent (NY State Test thing) coming up this year and they really haven't given us alot of information on the Boxer Rebellion and the Treaty of Nanking/Nanjing. We did alot on the Meiji Restoration, though, which is a big topic on the test. My opinion, is that my school tends to teach the test, rather than the actual information we should know in order to understand history. It's vitual that we have a good knowledge of other cultures and their history, because then this promotes empathy/sympathy/other human relation verbs because then that leads to peacefulness and understanding. Our problem as a nation is we don't put ourselves in other people shoes. I really don't think the US goverment (aka megalomaniac Bush and crazy republican friends) cares about humanitarian issuses in Iraq or in any country. The only reason I think he is there ( and this has probably said a THOUSAND times) is for economic interests. In the late 1990s and even before then, there was evidence of terrorist activity and plans for attacks in the US, but only until now do we do something about because our polictical/economic status has been threatened. What is happening in the Middle East and Central Asia is killing the economic and social aspect of life, when only should we be attacking the poiltical aspect. Instead, we are making the people their more resentful and wanting war. Blat, I don't know what else to say..........
Hey Asian Actor Dude,
Nope didn't know about the Chinese coolies in the Caribbean, but that parallels for me, the Filipino indentured servents in "Lousiana" in the 1700's, who turned that swampy wasteland into valuable workable agricultural land. This all-male population numbering in the thousands either all died out, or intermarried with the African slaves down there and their decendents still live today (although how many of them know about their Asian heritage?) Also, interesting trivia. Do you know where the term "shanghaied" comes from? Obviously it mean kidnapped, but I think most mainstream America (those that have heard of the term) would imagine some evil Charlie Chan type character luring young white womanhood into his smoky lair. Actually, the term originates from the fact that tens of thousands (yes tens of thousands) of young Chinese men were lured from their homes (most often in Southern China), taken to the ports thru Shanghai, and in an ocean passage (where at least 1 in 4 died) were made into unpaid laborers in this country, and couldn't even make their way back to China, dying old, alone, lonely and often disease-ridden. If you have any random trivia, please let me (and the other posters know); knowledge is definitely the key to self-respect and pride in group identity, ALLY-CHAN.
Ally-Chan:
By the way, I live in Manhattan and read the NYTImes every day (although I do it on-line b/c although I want to monitor their coverage of Asian Americans -- or lack of, as I previously mentioned, I don't want to financially support their discriminating media biases. ) Anyways, what you pointed out was exactly what I was trying to emphasize. Sure, they have coverage on Asia --- countries and their people, but waht about Asian Americans? We have a history here since before George Washington's time. We are not just new immigrants, although all the mainstream history books would like you to believe that. The only reason we lack in number is b/c while America has benefited from the labor of our backs, she has also openly discriminated from us coming to her shores. Forget Ellis Island! Do you know anything about Angel island? This wasn't an immigration station --- this was a detention camp. When you have some free time, go and visit the Museum of the Chinese in the Americas in Chinatown. Sure they are small but this is b.c they are underfunded. Go and visit and talk with the curators and volunteers there. That might be a start to getting to know your own history. Good luck and god-speed :0)
Nope didn't know about the Chinese coolies in the Caribbean, but that parallels for me, the Filipino indentured servents in "Lousiana" in the 1700's, who turned that swampy wasteland into valuable workable agricultural land. This all-male population numbering in the thousands either all died out, or intermarried with the African slaves down there and their decendents still live today (although how many of them know about their Asian heritage?) Also, interesting trivia. Do you know where the term "shanghaied" comes from? Obviously it mean kidnapped, but I think most mainstream America (those that have heard of the term) would imagine some evil Charlie Chan type character luring young white womanhood into his smoky lair. Actually, the term originates from the fact that tens of thousands (yes tens of thousands) of young Chinese men were lured from their homes (most often in Southern China), taken to the ports thru Shanghai, and in an ocean passage (where at least 1 in 4 died) were made into unpaid laborers in this country, and couldn't even make their way back to China, dying old, alone, lonely and often disease-ridden. If you have any random trivia, please let me (and the other posters know); knowledge is definitely the key to self-respect and pride in group identity, ALLY-CHAN.
Ally-Chan:
By the way, I live in Manhattan and read the NYTImes every day (although I do it on-line b/c although I want to monitor their coverage of Asian Americans -- or lack of, as I previously mentioned, I don't want to financially support their discriminating media biases. ) Anyways, what you pointed out was exactly what I was trying to emphasize. Sure, they have coverage on Asia --- countries and their people, but waht about Asian Americans? We have a history here since before George Washington's time. We are not just new immigrants, although all the mainstream history books would like you to believe that. The only reason we lack in number is b/c while America has benefited from the labor of our backs, she has also openly discriminated from us coming to her shores. Forget Ellis Island! Do you know anything about Angel island? This wasn't an immigration station --- this was a detention camp. When you have some free time, go and visit the Museum of the Chinese in the Americas in Chinatown. Sure they are small but this is b.c they are underfunded. Go and visit and talk with the curators and volunteers there. That might be a start to getting to know your own history. Good luck and god-speed :0)
Yes, I do know about Angel Island and No, I did not know that it was a detention center. One thing that ticks me off is that I have noticed that FEW SCHOOLS EXPLAINS ASIAN CULTURE AND ASIAN AMERICAN HISTORY IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM HERE IN THE NORTHEAST. Only did I find out now that Angel Island was a detention center. People should be learning this in school. And I do agree with you on the lack of Asian media coverage. Yes, pride and self-respect within the Asian American community is one of the keys to racial tolerance and such, but in order to achieve this WE NEED TO BE EDUCATED FIRST. By, the way, thanks for recommending the musuem. I'll have to check that out! Peace!!!!!!!!
I think the NY times is somewhat bias against covering asian stories in New York City. But it does devote a large part to international coverage. Unless we claim that not enough asian coverage appears on the front page.
Hi AC Dropout,
No, I mean thtat the NYTimes doesn't cover Asian American stories at all. American being the operative word here. Or even this, Asians in America. Not only do you have to consider the lack of coverage, but even for the Asia coverage in international, one has to consider the quality of the coverage, the tone of the piece, the story line, the message the paper's editors are trying to convey. Just how many sex slaves, mail-order Filipina brides (yes there was actually a peice about the quality topic in the Metro section two weeks ago), illegal immigrants are there in NYC? The Times would have you believe that all are Asian! Finally, aren't there any "normal" Asian Americans out there: people who work a nine to five so they can pay their rent, pay their taxes and send their kids to school? Aren't there any proud second third or even fourth generation Asian Americans out there? The Times would not like you to think so! Also this, almost all of the stories about Asians in Asia are written by white men or women. Do a search in the Times stemming back to 1996 as this is waht the search engine allows). Now, how many stories about Asian-Americans come up? Do you find this disturbing.
ALLY-CHAN
Definitely go to the museum of the Chinese in the Americas when you get a chance. Not only is it valuable Chinese American history, but Asian American history as well. Angel Island was msot definitely a detention center. They made the people take all sorts of ridiculous tests to "prove" their identity (that is--that they are related to someone already living the the U.S.). One of the series of tests included detailed biographic questions, such as "how many windows did the house of your third uncle's wife's family's house have"? Obviously these types of questions was intended to keep Asians out of the U.S. In an interview done in the eighties, some of the white American questioners admitted that they made up imposible questions to keep Asian immigrants from coming to this country and staying. On the walls of Angel Island are beautiful and truly sad poems written by the detainees in their often times months of captivity. A few years anthropologists were hired by the foudnation taht now runs the center as a museum, to decifer the poems and to record their stories and meaning. People with ancestors that came through Angel Island have gone there to do geneological research. Angel Island shut down only in the 1940's.
No, I mean thtat the NYTimes doesn't cover Asian American stories at all. American being the operative word here. Or even this, Asians in America. Not only do you have to consider the lack of coverage, but even for the Asia coverage in international, one has to consider the quality of the coverage, the tone of the piece, the story line, the message the paper's editors are trying to convey. Just how many sex slaves, mail-order Filipina brides (yes there was actually a peice about the quality topic in the Metro section two weeks ago), illegal immigrants are there in NYC? The Times would have you believe that all are Asian! Finally, aren't there any "normal" Asian Americans out there: people who work a nine to five so they can pay their rent, pay their taxes and send their kids to school? Aren't there any proud second third or even fourth generation Asian Americans out there? The Times would not like you to think so! Also this, almost all of the stories about Asians in Asia are written by white men or women. Do a search in the Times stemming back to 1996 as this is waht the search engine allows). Now, how many stories about Asian-Americans come up? Do you find this disturbing.
ALLY-CHAN
Definitely go to the museum of the Chinese in the Americas when you get a chance. Not only is it valuable Chinese American history, but Asian American history as well. Angel Island was msot definitely a detention center. They made the people take all sorts of ridiculous tests to "prove" their identity (that is--that they are related to someone already living the the U.S.). One of the series of tests included detailed biographic questions, such as "how many windows did the house of your third uncle's wife's family's house have"? Obviously these types of questions was intended to keep Asians out of the U.S. In an interview done in the eighties, some of the white American questioners admitted that they made up imposible questions to keep Asian immigrants from coming to this country and staying. On the walls of Angel Island are beautiful and truly sad poems written by the detainees in their often times months of captivity. A few years anthropologists were hired by the foudnation taht now runs the center as a museum, to decifer the poems and to record their stories and meaning. People with ancestors that came through Angel Island have gone there to do geneological research. Angel Island shut down only in the 1940's.
Well, if you really want to read a book about Asian American history read: Ronald Takaki's Strangers From a Different Shore great book. Its covers early to modern Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipinos, and etc... history in a American. so cheers
Feminasian,
You do have a point on NYT. But I think asians americans might also be to blame since there are like 5 Chinese language papers in the NYC and who knows how many Korean and Japanese language papers. So the readership base for NYT might not be the entire 10% of NYC asian population.
I don't know if that is the major reason. But it could be one of the reasons.
I'm pretty sure the NYT which is owned by Time Warner have very detail demographic on their ever shrinking readership. Who in the world wants to get their hands dirty every morning. I'm also pretty sure the reader base doesn't have that many asians from NYC.
Your right about the editorial section is definite always talking about isreal. Actually Friedman is that bad when he covers asians. And even though my High School English teacher loved Sapphire because he was once his student, I find his views quite esoteric.
What a position to be in. Are we suggesting that we all read the NY Post?
You do have a point on NYT. But I think asians americans might also be to blame since there are like 5 Chinese language papers in the NYC and who knows how many Korean and Japanese language papers. So the readership base for NYT might not be the entire 10% of NYC asian population.
I don't know if that is the major reason. But it could be one of the reasons.
I'm pretty sure the NYT which is owned by Time Warner have very detail demographic on their ever shrinking readership. Who in the world wants to get their hands dirty every morning. I'm also pretty sure the reader base doesn't have that many asians from NYC.
Your right about the editorial section is definite always talking about isreal. Actually Friedman is that bad when he covers asians. And even though my High School English teacher loved Sapphire because he was once his student, I find his views quite esoteric.
What a position to be in. Are we suggesting that we all read the NY Post?
Okay here is NYT article recently posted on their sight.
Religious Rites Welcomed; Parking Rights Are Thornier
Is there any part of this article that seems overtly unfair to asian.
Religious Rites Welcomed; Parking Rights Are Thornier
Is there any part of this article that seems overtly unfair to asian.
feminasian, those "paper sons" you're talking about had to go through the rigorous screening process because they're just "paper sons" and from the white american perspective they couldn't be sure of who actually was the children of chinese-americans already living in america. a fire destroyed the storage place where chinese-american immigration records were kept and so a network of forgery businesses started up granting documents to "paper sons" to go to america to work. granted that the racist exclusion act was still in place, it made sense from the officials' POV to screen those "paper sons" with details that only actual children could know and cross-checked with the parents' answers. there are also some interesting stories of smuggling of answers in food in the centers on angel island. there's a good documentary (although heavihanded) on the whole angel island story through http://www.aiisf.org/resources#video
http://www.naatanet.org/shopnaata/videos/t...e/C/carved.html
http://www.naatanet.org/shopnaata/videos/t...e/C/carved.html
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overtly unfair? no. but subtextually? you bet. what's the premise of the article? "them asians, koreans/coreans, and those weird asian religions ain't got no respect for common public decency and think they can just park whereever they want to park." oh yes, since this is the NYT it has to be about the jewish interest. "so because them uncivil asians the good jewish worshippers are suffering, (oye!) they have to walk to their place of worship all thanks to the ruthless asians who've made the city mandate that all places of worship have parking spaces. them asians just take over the country and destroy the quality of the jewish way of life."
is that subtextual analysis good enough for you? don't forget, as an actor all we read is the subtext and that's what i've noticed in the NYT article.
ACTION ALERT
PROTEST AGAINST RACIST MAGAZINE FEATURE
Friday, April 16, 12:00 noon
7 West 34th Street (at 5th Avenue)
New York, NY 10001
Join other Asian American activists and anti-racism activists in a protest at the offices of Details magazine at 7 West 34th Street, New York, NY 10001 (at 5th Avenue) at 12:00 noon on Friday, April 16, 2004. Details Magazine published a feature in its April 2004 issue titled, ?Gay or Asian? that described Asian American men with such offensive terms as ?bonsai ass? and ?sashimi-smooth chest.? Visit http://www.asianmediawatchdog.com/ and click on ?Details Magazine? to view the page.
We are demanding a full-page public apology in a future issue of the magazine, and we are demanding that Details magazine fire Whitney McNally, the author of the feature.
Please make and bring signs against racism, against Details magazine and against Whitney McNally. New York City law prohibits signs on wooden sticks, but you can bring signs on cardboard tubes or hand-held signs. If you are able to help publicize this protest, please email Doris at dlin@asianmediawatchdog.com with your snail mail address, and we can send you flyers that you can post in local stores or around college campuses. Flyers will be available after Friday, April 2.
This protest is being organized by Asian Media Watchdog. Asian Media Watchdog was founded by Colleen Eustice-Sakai and Jimmy Fujikawa. Our goal is to promote a fair and balanced portrayal of Asians and Asian
Americans in the American entertainment industry. Asian Media Watchdog is a grassroots, not-for-profit organization.
PROTEST AGAINST RACIST MAGAZINE FEATURE
Friday, April 16, 12:00 noon
7 West 34th Street (at 5th Avenue)
New York, NY 10001
Join other Asian American activists and anti-racism activists in a protest at the offices of Details magazine at 7 West 34th Street, New York, NY 10001 (at 5th Avenue) at 12:00 noon on Friday, April 16, 2004. Details Magazine published a feature in its April 2004 issue titled, ?Gay or Asian? that described Asian American men with such offensive terms as ?bonsai ass? and ?sashimi-smooth chest.? Visit http://www.asianmediawatchdog.com/ and click on ?Details Magazine? to view the page.
We are demanding a full-page public apology in a future issue of the magazine, and we are demanding that Details magazine fire Whitney McNally, the author of the feature.
Please make and bring signs against racism, against Details magazine and against Whitney McNally. New York City law prohibits signs on wooden sticks, but you can bring signs on cardboard tubes or hand-held signs. If you are able to help publicize this protest, please email Doris at dlin@asianmediawatchdog.com with your snail mail address, and we can send you flyers that you can post in local stores or around college campuses. Flyers will be available after Friday, April 2.
This protest is being organized by Asian Media Watchdog. Asian Media Watchdog was founded by Colleen Eustice-Sakai and Jimmy Fujikawa. Our goal is to promote a fair and balanced portrayal of Asians and Asian
Americans in the American entertainment industry. Asian Media Watchdog is a grassroots, not-for-profit organization.
It's not surprising how Jews and Blacks can have some kind of resentment towards Asians. I mean Jews and Blacks in the past formed an alliance to oust the Anglos out of power because they were oppressors. Now they're forming an alliance to ensure Asians do not attain any power. Why? Hmmm..I know, the Asians are becoming the New Jews and the New Blacks . Asians are beginning to dominate the ivy league schools and in high paying fields such as Finance, Law and Medicine. In sports, we have guys like Yao Ming and Ichiro who are tearing up the sports world with new ways of playing the game. Basically, the Asians are the new kids in the block blowing everyone away with their inscrutable tactics.
Living in New York City, I see this happening more and more by the day. I see Blacks called me a ching chong in the streets all the time, and I just had a Jewish dude throw a tree branch at me when I was walking to work, with no apparent reason other than the fact that I'm Asian. To me I don't care, I really like to rub my achievements in their face. One thing for sure, anyone who commits a bias attack on an Asian should be dealt with in some way or the other. In terms of White ppl, perhaps we could count them as potential friends. Not that we want to leave out the Jews and Blacks, but at times, they have insulted us for stupid reasons. Maybe it's some kind of anger they have from being oppressed, so they want to scapegoat us as a way to let out steam. Remember, Jews and Blacks are underdogs.
Living in New York City, I see this happening more and more by the day. I see Blacks called me a ching chong in the streets all the time, and I just had a Jewish dude throw a tree branch at me when I was walking to work, with no apparent reason other than the fact that I'm Asian. To me I don't care, I really like to rub my achievements in their face. One thing for sure, anyone who commits a bias attack on an Asian should be dealt with in some way or the other. In terms of White ppl, perhaps we could count them as potential friends. Not that we want to leave out the Jews and Blacks, but at times, they have insulted us for stupid reasons. Maybe it's some kind of anger they have from being oppressed, so they want to scapegoat us as a way to let out steam. Remember, Jews and Blacks are underdogs.
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OMG, I never thought of it this way, but now that I think about it, it's true!
I suppose for a group consisting of 1+ billion people, we do have enough genetic variance to cover all bases. Both mental and physical. Awesome, now if we can only let the crazy ones among us loose instead of hidden from view as something to be ashamed of and maybe let young nimble minds take the lead for a change, then there is no stopping Asia, nothing... We haven't even begun harnessing the full potential of the Far East.
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I just see this as money in the bank, collecting interest until a rainy day, when it's time for payback. It's all the more sweeter knowing that people are that much more indignant and receptive to getting a taste of their own medicine.
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I especially liked how the Japanese-Americans handled it when Arabs and Middle-Easterners were facing heat after 9-11. This is more to my liking, rather than the continued childish cycle of making the next group of immigrants as miserable as possible that so many seem to succumb to.
Super C,
don't buy into that divide and conquer mentality. keep your eyes on the prize and know who your true friends are. largely the "backlash" towards asian-americans is due to that damnable "model minority" stereotype which does nothing except to perpetuate the cycle of hatred and jealousy from group to group and divides the communities. while i don't believe there's any sort of "jewish conspiracy" to take over the world, their media influence and control is something else to be said about the kinds of images and articles (or lack of) about asian-americans and only "keep perpetuatin' the cycle." in addition to the subserviant "uncle tom" image, blacks didn't have to overcome the language barrier as 1st generation asian-americans do and hence the historical lack of power. however, now with the 2nd generation professionals coming to power there's definitely a large media and political shift towards everything asian due to the purchasing power -- albeit not overtly just yet.
"first you get the money, then the power, then you get the women." -- tony montana
don't buy into that divide and conquer mentality. keep your eyes on the prize and know who your true friends are. largely the "backlash" towards asian-americans is due to that damnable "model minority" stereotype which does nothing except to perpetuate the cycle of hatred and jealousy from group to group and divides the communities. while i don't believe there's any sort of "jewish conspiracy" to take over the world, their media influence and control is something else to be said about the kinds of images and articles (or lack of) about asian-americans and only "keep perpetuatin' the cycle." in addition to the subserviant "uncle tom" image, blacks didn't have to overcome the language barrier as 1st generation asian-americans do and hence the historical lack of power. however, now with the 2nd generation professionals coming to power there's definitely a large media and political shift towards everything asian due to the purchasing power -- albeit not overtly just yet.
"first you get the money, then the power, then you get the women." -- tony montana
asian_actor_dude,
Uhm..okay subtext. I guess I missed that on my GRE and SAT or something.
Look the Jews have to walk to religious service because it is on their Sabbath they cannot use modern equipment. The gripe was.
1) The City needs to regualate North Queens better when it comes to Houses of Worshipped and required parking spaces. Those that been to Flushing now this has been a problem for about 10 years or so now.
2) However, since the Jews walk to their house of worship they feel it is unfair that they also need to have required parking lots.
3) The City doesn't care if your a Jew or whatever, they just want everyone to abide by this new "parking lot" law.
Hey but that's just my opinion.
Super C,
One day a Chinese girl told me that one of her highschool friends was robbing Chinese delivery people. I was like give me his name and address so I could have some of my friends visit him. She was like he's was already in jail. I was like that is why there has been a steady decline in asian youth gang activity.
I even been tracking that homicide in Jamaica, it's in the supreme court and they are up on murder charges.
The system works sometimes.
I've been churning the Chinese delivery boy crime in my head. I think that best way to approach this is to lobby the city for tougher laws robbery of Delivery people. Anyone know the process to lobby local government. Don't tell me I have to start a NGO for this.
kimchi devil,
Our payback is the slow assimilation of these non-asian barbarians. It is the only thing people from a civilized culture should do. And don't forget to knock up a non-asian girl to carry our love children too.
Uhm..okay subtext. I guess I missed that on my GRE and SAT or something.
Look the Jews have to walk to religious service because it is on their Sabbath they cannot use modern equipment. The gripe was.
1) The City needs to regualate North Queens better when it comes to Houses of Worshipped and required parking spaces. Those that been to Flushing now this has been a problem for about 10 years or so now.
2) However, since the Jews walk to their house of worship they feel it is unfair that they also need to have required parking lots.
3) The City doesn't care if your a Jew or whatever, they just want everyone to abide by this new "parking lot" law.
Hey but that's just my opinion.
Super C,
One day a Chinese girl told me that one of her highschool friends was robbing Chinese delivery people. I was like give me his name and address so I could have some of my friends visit him. She was like he's was already in jail. I was like that is why there has been a steady decline in asian youth gang activity.
I even been tracking that homicide in Jamaica, it's in the supreme court and they are up on murder charges.
The system works sometimes.
I've been churning the Chinese delivery boy crime in my head. I think that best way to approach this is to lobby the city for tougher laws robbery of Delivery people. Anyone know the process to lobby local government. Don't tell me I have to start a NGO for this.
kimchi devil,
Our payback is the slow assimilation of these non-asian barbarians. It is the only thing people from a civilized culture should do. And don't forget to knock up a non-asian girl to carry our love children too.
Feminasian,
A great book that you already may have read is "Yell-OH Girls," which is an anathology about the struggles of Asian American Women/Teenage Girls in American society. Some people are offended by it, because it seems not relate to the troubles of non-Asian teens, but then again the book is meant to be comprised of Asian-writen works. Anyway, it's good read
A great book that you already may have read is "Yell-OH Girls," which is an anathology about the struggles of Asian American Women/Teenage Girls in American society. Some people are offended by it, because it seems not relate to the troubles of non-Asian teens, but then again the book is meant to be comprised of Asian-writen works. Anyway, it's good read
What's up with the hispanics going "china (as in chee-na chee-na), china," or referring to any Asian or Asian American man as a "chino"?
This is really offensive; I spoke with a Mexican-American friend about this once, and she said that they didn't mean anything by this and that I shouldn't get offended so easily.
I swear, everytime, in a deli, on the street and even when I went to see an apartment for rent (picture this, climbing up seven flights of ghetto stairs in the middle of summer and when I finally think I've made it, a old Latin-American woman wearing a blood-stained apron, stirring something in a big pot which she holds over the railing, calling China china) --- pretty f**king nighmarish.
No I didn't bolt the other way, but did break the lease when I found out that the apartment was prime gang territory and that the woman across the hall had been robbed at gun-point (not necessarily related, mind you).
This is really offensive; I spoke with a Mexican-American friend about this once, and she said that they didn't mean anything by this and that I shouldn't get offended so easily.
I swear, everytime, in a deli, on the street and even when I went to see an apartment for rent (picture this, climbing up seven flights of ghetto stairs in the middle of summer and when I finally think I've made it, a old Latin-American woman wearing a blood-stained apron, stirring something in a big pot which she holds over the railing, calling China china) --- pretty f**king nighmarish.
No I didn't bolt the other way, but did break the lease when I found out that the apartment was prime gang territory and that the woman across the hall had been robbed at gun-point (not necessarily related, mind you).
ACD,
If those murderers are not up on hate crimes charges, then the system doesn't work.
Aside from that, Asians need to be taking more preventative measures against these types of crimes, if the system interferes with reasonable actions taken by Asian-Ams, then the system doesn't work.
It's as simple as that.
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If those murderers are not up on hate crimes charges, then the system doesn't work.
Aside from that, Asians need to be taking more preventative measures against these types of crimes, if the system interferes with reasonable actions taken by Asian-Ams, then the system doesn't work.
It's as simple as that.
kimchi devil,
If they are aquitted and found not quilty, then the system doesn't work.
But that's why I posed the question. Where does one begin to lobby local officials to write tougher laws to prevent robberies of delivery people. If the penality is harsher for those crimes, than the average criminal will go commit other crimes instead. Even criminals have a risk-reward matrix they go through.
If they are aquitted and found not quilty, then the system doesn't work.
But that's why I posed the question. Where does one begin to lobby local officials to write tougher laws to prevent robberies of delivery people. If the penality is harsher for those crimes, than the average criminal will go commit other crimes instead. Even criminals have a risk-reward matrix they go through.
ACD,
Between DA's discretion and plea bargaining, I'm not so sure it matters. I think manditory minimums might be more appropriate since the there is no way around that. The problem, me thinks, lies between the law enforcement, DA, judges, and juries as demonstrated in past incidences (i.e. Vincent Chen, etc.). But at least the US isn't as lax --overall -- on punishing criminals as Europe is, so there's still hope.
Between DA's discretion and plea bargaining, I'm not so sure it matters. I think manditory minimums might be more appropriate since the there is no way around that. The problem, me thinks, lies between the law enforcement, DA, judges, and juries as demonstrated in past incidences (i.e. Vincent Chen, etc.). But at least the US isn't as lax --overall -- on punishing criminals as Europe is, so there's still hope.
kimchi devil,
But this is new york city. So jury of peers is not a bunch of white hicks working at an autoplant.
That is the problem with democracy sometimes. The franchised mass are idiots by default.
A bunch of idiots pondering difficult questions usually doesn't get a proper answer.
Which is why study groups in college don't work.
But this is new york city. So jury of peers is not a bunch of white hicks working at an autoplant.
That is the problem with democracy sometimes. The franchised mass are idiots by default.
A bunch of idiots pondering difficult questions usually doesn't get a proper answer.
Which is why study groups in college don't work.
I suppose you're right, I mean after all, that Corean lady that got hit by the subway was awarded $10 million in NYC. I found the results of that case a bit puzzling given the questionable circumstances (against her case) and the countless unfair verdicts around the U.S. that are unfavorable towards As-Ams. I suppose it could happen that things can sometimes be 'fair' or even 'favorable' on occasion for AAs, even in NYC.
Hi AC Dropout,
I was just serving jury duty. If you live in Manhattan, you have to sit for a minimum of three days when they pull your name out of a bingo box and you fill out a questionaire, then sit for a voir dire section, where the lawyers for both sides ask you any questions they want. Then, they pick generally less than half the group that sit for the question and asnwer session. They don't need a reason for rejecting you.
Now, factor in the fact that a lot of Asians (b/c of a lanugage barrrier orr otherwise, don't want to sit for a jury) and you have the unfortunate fact that on most juries in Manhattan and NYC for that matter, comprising of six to twelve people, there is almost never an Asian person on the jury, while our representation here is 10%, our jury rep is certainly not. While juries here aren't a "bunch of hicks", necessarily, they aren't very "mulitcultural,"either. B/c the selection of the questionatire groups is random, I would say about half of each group was non-white, while all of the jury groups (those picked out of the Q&A by the lawyers, over the three days I was there, comprised of at least 93-95% whites.
Coincidence?
I was just serving jury duty. If you live in Manhattan, you have to sit for a minimum of three days when they pull your name out of a bingo box and you fill out a questionaire, then sit for a voir dire section, where the lawyers for both sides ask you any questions they want. Then, they pick generally less than half the group that sit for the question and asnwer session. They don't need a reason for rejecting you.
Now, factor in the fact that a lot of Asians (b/c of a lanugage barrrier orr otherwise, don't want to sit for a jury) and you have the unfortunate fact that on most juries in Manhattan and NYC for that matter, comprising of six to twelve people, there is almost never an Asian person on the jury, while our representation here is 10%, our jury rep is certainly not. While juries here aren't a "bunch of hicks", necessarily, they aren't very "mulitcultural,"either. B/c the selection of the questionatire groups is random, I would say about half of each group was non-white, while all of the jury groups (those picked out of the Q&A by the lawyers, over the three days I was there, comprised of at least 93-95% whites.
Coincidence?
Feminasian,
Jury selection is very political process. I mean if race is an important part of the case. I assure you both side will want to fill the ranks of the jury with ethnicity in their favor.
Not to be rude but one can easily get out of juror duty by never showing up or never returing the ballot they give you.
Either that or just give very bias answers. All women are slut and theive. All blacks are guilty by default. All whites are subversively oppressive. Of course the asian are innocent. And don't forget to say I always judge a book by its cover.
If that doesn't get you off, just tell them you plan to breast feed during the trail.
Jury selection is very political process. I mean if race is an important part of the case. I assure you both side will want to fill the ranks of the jury with ethnicity in their favor.
Not to be rude but one can easily get out of juror duty by never showing up or never returing the ballot they give you.
Either that or just give very bias answers. All women are slut and theive. All blacks are guilty by default. All whites are subversively oppressive. Of course the asian are innocent. And don't forget to say I always judge a book by its cover.
If that doesn't get you off, just tell them you plan to breast feed during the trail.
Feminasian,
Here in Southern California, Mexicans, in my experience, are some of the most bigoted and ignorant people I've ever encountered. Yeah, I was regularly called "chino" growing up, but it was typically accompanied with "pinche", as in "pinche chino", or "goddamn chink." Funny thing is, my skin was usually as brown as theirs.
They would tell you not to be so easily offended, because that is what they grew up with as the accepted term for a person of Asian descent, whether or not they were in fact, Chinese. It's just like some Southern whites thinking the n-word is okay. But, just like ignorant blacks and whites, they usually can't tell the difference between the various Asian cultures nor do they give a rat's behind.
Here in Southern California, Mexicans, in my experience, are some of the most bigoted and ignorant people I've ever encountered. Yeah, I was regularly called "chino" growing up, but it was typically accompanied with "pinche", as in "pinche chino", or "goddamn chink." Funny thing is, my skin was usually as brown as theirs.
They would tell you not to be so easily offended, because that is what they grew up with as the accepted term for a person of Asian descent, whether or not they were in fact, Chinese. It's just like some Southern whites thinking the n-word is okay. But, just like ignorant blacks and whites, they usually can't tell the difference between the various Asian cultures nor do they give a rat's behind.
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Is 'Chino' a slur or some kind of racial epithet??
I've never experienced this, but from what I read it seems to happen quite frequently in down in California. I always had the impression (from reading) that it was like the hispanics are rooting the Asian on, or maybe 'Chino' just sounds good or something?
Duce!! Duce!! Chino!! Chino!! Duce!! Duce!! Gimme a C, Gimme an H,....
As far as I know, Chino isn't a diss, it's a neutral term for a Chinese person. However, it can be used as a diss, like how people say "That Jew". I go to Black/Hispanic clubs and school dances all the time, and when I get in the middle of the dancing circle, the Hispanics cheer me on with "Go, Chino! Go, Chino! Yeah!"
Of course, if it follows "pinche", then yes, it is a diss.
Of course, if it follows "pinche", then yes, it is a diss.
I mean this isn't exactly fair. I know a lot of asians that call Mexicans "Ameigo."
Ally-Chan: I too learned little about Nanking. Later I learned about it from Chinese history shows. I think it is Iris Chiang who goes around the world and does seminars about it. I learned that during this time, the suffering of the Chinese people and their deaths outnumbered the number of Japanese killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Nevertheless, not to make light of the Japanese people's suffering then, nor Corean, and so forth.
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Sometimes I wonder, given the social order that people are accustomed to in Latin America with white hispanics at top of the food chain and mestizo/blacks at the bottom for a great deal of their history, how they see these outsiders (Asians) seemingly defy this social order that's been "established." I don't think it's all too bad for them to see others (Asians) going head to head with whites occasionally... shake things up a bit. It's dos crazy Chinos at it again.
As far as calling people 'Chinos' and 'Amigos': big deal.
I know exactly what you mean, Basin. Hispanics are ignorant people there are. I grew up in Chicago which has the second largest mexcrement population in the country after LA and the second largest porko rican population in the country after new york, and their default term for Asians is "Chino." That's all you hear from them when they see an Asian, "..... blah blah.. blah.. Chino."
And it's got nothing to do with what you mentioned Kimchi breath Devil. You just keep proving yourself to be real naive and ignorant. You're following in the footsteps of your idol, h.s._dropout.
And it's got nothing to do with what you mentioned Kimchi breath Devil. You just keep proving yourself to be real naive and ignorant. You're following in the footsteps of your idol, h.s._dropout.
krazypsychdr,
Wow that was like such a round about way to take a snipe at me.
It still doesn't resolve the fact that Asians who hire Hispanics call them all "Ameigo."
Nor the fact that Hispanic call us Asians "Chinos".
But then again only in the USA would people care of other immigrants language is PC.
Wow that was like such a round about way to take a snipe at me.
It still doesn't resolve the fact that Asians who hire Hispanics call them all "Ameigo."
Nor the fact that Hispanic call us Asians "Chinos".
But then again only in the USA would people care of other immigrants language is PC.
My apologies, I'll try to avoid any diatribes from here on out.
Anyways, what's wrong with Asians calling hispanics "amigos"? It simply means "friend".
However, it is ignorant for them to call us "Chinos," especially when they put "pinche" in front of it, which to messycants it means the same as "effin." Fuq them beaner messycants and those fuqqin spigger ricans. I wish them all death and extermination.
Anyways, what's wrong with Asians calling hispanics "amigos"? It simply means "friend".
However, it is ignorant for them to call us "Chinos," especially when they put "pinche" in front of it, which to messycants it means the same as "effin." Fuq them beaner messycants and those fuqqin spigger ricans. I wish them all death and extermination.
krazypsychdr,
Most of the hispanics I've come in contact with were pretty much Americanized.. This whole business of being called "chino" is something that is entirely new to me -- never experienced it myself. Sorry if this whole thing burns you up and all, but I just need more info to draw any more of a conclusion to this matter than what I've stated earlier.
I guess since of all the ethnicities in America, Hispanics are the one's who are here to stay (their population won't be decreasing anytime soon), but the future is uncertain for everyone else, Asians included. So it's somewhat important not to aggrevate things more than necessary... if it's just a misunderstanding or ignorance, then yeah, big deal. Hey, it could be worse, I suppose.
Most of the hispanics I've come in contact with were pretty much Americanized.. This whole business of being called "chino" is something that is entirely new to me -- never experienced it myself. Sorry if this whole thing burns you up and all, but I just need more info to draw any more of a conclusion to this matter than what I've stated earlier.
I guess since of all the ethnicities in America, Hispanics are the one's who are here to stay (their population won't be decreasing anytime soon), but the future is uncertain for everyone else, Asians included. So it's somewhat important not to aggrevate things more than necessary... if it's just a misunderstanding or ignorance, then yeah, big deal. Hey, it could be worse, I suppose.
There's this new series on t.v. I saw last week on the Internation Channel called "STIR TV." It's headed by a group of Asian-Americans and I find it a cool program. I happened to be channel surfing and there it popped up. Too bad it ain't on what I would call "mainstream t.v.", t.v., that I don't watch anyway. I guess it has too many Asian faces or something, culture shock maybe for the non-Asian. Anyhooose, anyone else seen what I'm talking about?
krazypsychdr,
Hey, I don't hate Latinos as a whole. I went to a high school where they were over 50% of the student population, so it was inevitable that I met all kinds, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Two of my best friends are Mexicans. However, I think a great deal of ignorant thought festers at the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum. In general, the poorer one is, the more racist and ignorant they seem to be. In California, the majority of Mexican immigrants, particularly the newer ones, are from the poor and very poor classes in Mexico.
Among the more Americanized Mexicans, the ones who often don't speak Spanish in the home, they refer to Asian people as, well, "Asians."
Hey, I don't hate Latinos as a whole. I went to a high school where they were over 50% of the student population, so it was inevitable that I met all kinds, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Two of my best friends are Mexicans. However, I think a great deal of ignorant thought festers at the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum. In general, the poorer one is, the more racist and ignorant they seem to be. In California, the majority of Mexican immigrants, particularly the newer ones, are from the poor and very poor classes in Mexico.
Among the more Americanized Mexicans, the ones who often don't speak Spanish in the home, they refer to Asian people as, well, "Asians."
krazypsychdr,
I just beg to differ on Asian employers using "Ameigo" as friends. From my experience of observing it use, it is not better than Chino.
Common uses of "Ameigo" by asian employers.
"Amiego, pick that up"
"Craps, I need to hire at least another 10 Amiegos"
"Amiego are all lazy, you got watch them on the job"
"Wow you're a hard working Amiego, what's your name?"
Ameigo means lackey with no name and will work for $30 - $50 a day where I come from.
Hardly a term of affection like "Mitad" for instance.
I just beg to differ on Asian employers using "Ameigo" as friends. From my experience of observing it use, it is not better than Chino.
Common uses of "Ameigo" by asian employers.
"Amiego, pick that up"
"Craps, I need to hire at least another 10 Amiegos"
"Amiego are all lazy, you got watch them on the job"
"Wow you're a hard working Amiego, what's your name?"
Ameigo means lackey with no name and will work for $30 - $50 a day where I come from.
Hardly a term of affection like "Mitad" for instance.
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No, I don't think so. Maybe for you, but not for most.
In the context you used the word amigo, it would be insulting, but that's not because of the word amigo. It's because of the condescending context in which you used the word. You could've easily supplanted the word with "friend" or "dude" and had the same effect.
Anyways...... whatever, I could care less.
And to Kimchi, Asians aren't going anywhere either. Who's gonna force us to leave? Nobody. So I don't know where you're coming up with these far-fetched scenarios of mass-deportation.
So without further adieu: beaners and spiqs are stupid and ignorant, so stop trying to stick up for them.
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I was thinking more of the long term, immigration from Asia is pretty much the only factor maintaining the Asian population in the U.S., let alone a cause of any kind of population growth... Otherwise, the birth/fertility rate of As-Ams combined with the high outmarriages rates pretty much spells doom for any kind of sustained Asian population in America. This may or not be important depending on the individual, it just means Asians will become absorbed into the rest of the US population.
Whites of course are steadily declining (percentage wise), blacks are kinda unknown given high incarceration rates along with other factors like outmarriage... The only one I am really certain of is hispanic growth -- there's simply nothing stopping this due to high birthrates along with practically unlimited immigration.
Mass-deportation?? Well, not likely at all, but I wouldn't necessarily say 'impossible.' LOL.
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What can you do? It's either sit around and have kids or focus on your career [particulary women]. Most Asian and Asian-am women these days are focusing on their career. You are right about the falling birth rates. Last year, S. Korea had the lowest birth rate in the world, Japan isn't that far behind. Populations in both countries are soon going to start decreasing. At the same time, they're populations are both getting very old. The governments are both doing what they can to rectify the situation, but it's an impossible battle. Women over their have to worry about their careers, then come home, and worry about kids, worry about making dinner, cleaning up. They don't have the equal rights that women in the west have, so many have one or no kids. Not to mention, you dont' see the number of daycares and nurseries in Korea like you do in every American neighborhood. Many women in Korea do not even choose to get married these days. And many that do, get divorced [for the reasons I mentioned, not to mention the tendency of many Korean men and mother-in-laws to mistreat the wives]. Korea now has the 3rd highest divorce rate in the world after the U.S. and the U.K., and Japan isn't far behind. If Korea and Japan do not let in large amounts of immigrants, like the Europeans are doing, we will soon witness immense declines in both populations. It'll be interesting to see how things pan out.
Anyways... your contention with the shrinking Asian-Am numbers, I feel that quality is more preferable than quantity. If you don't agree with me, take for example the Jews. They're only 2.5% of the U.S. population and they have a strangle hold on every major segment of society: the media- definitely Jew run, financial institutions- Jew run, Judicial system- members of NY, IL, CA BAR associations.... mostly Jews, top physicians- Jews, Regencies of top institutions of academia- yep, mostly Jews, most importantly, the Jews have all these anglo politicians by their balls. The Jews run this country, and therefore, this world by proxy. My point being, once again, quality over quantity. To achieve that level of quality, every Asian has to do their part and bust their ass to improve themselves and contribute to the Asian community. This is in essence what drives me. Every time I feel like slacking off, I think of all the derogatory terms that non-asians have used on me and other Asians and that pushes me to achieve.
I hope to live long enough to see the day when instead of Jews and Whites, you see Asians dominating all the sectors that I have listed. If I do, I'll be able to die in peace.
Yeah but Jews have the maternal lineage thing going. Based on their own definition its not like there such a think as a half-jew or something.
I guess we can import asians from China. They're exporting everything these days. Do you think we can outsource baby making to the China.
I guess we can import asians from China. They're exporting everything these days. Do you think we can outsource baby making to the China.
krazypsychdr,
I can't say I disagree with your last post. I have a feeling it all has less to do with Asians working harder than it does something else, obstacles set up by others due to a widely held view of Asians being a threat. Another thing is Asians need to work more efficiently, not necessarily harder. Working 'harder' will tend to translate into having fewer kids and relying on immigration to make up for it. As-Ams having kids is important (at replacement levels of 2 children/women), because it's these As-Ams who have a better chance going up against the more entrenched elements of this society that you mentioned, whereas Asian Immigrants for the most part have work ethic going for 'em. You have to remember, Jews have been amongst white europeans for a very large part of their history, and in fact were a significant part of their history as well. So there does exist a very significant cultural advantage that Asians have to compete against. Asians, on the other hand, have a numerical advantage and to some extent the backing of entire nations (like when the South Koreans sent money to the Korean victims of the LA riots, while the Koreans here were being "iced" out from any kind of relief from the government stateside).
As far as hispanics are concerned, do you feel that whatever hostilities they've expressed (towards Asians) is something inherent or something they've picked up here in America? I'm just asking, because down in Peru they did have a Japanese president for a while. Quite a display of trust if you ask me. I'd say if you strip the languages spoken by Hispanics and Asians here in the U.S. the similarities become much more apparent, the diffence primarily being income/education levels and such.
AC D,
The birth/fertility rates for Asians aren't that much different on either side of the pacific... At current levels, it will tend to shift the distribution toward the older end, then eventually the population will shrink, until there's another baby boom. Jews are in a similar predicament, since they also have low birthrates too.
I can't say I disagree with your last post. I have a feeling it all has less to do with Asians working harder than it does something else, obstacles set up by others due to a widely held view of Asians being a threat. Another thing is Asians need to work more efficiently, not necessarily harder. Working 'harder' will tend to translate into having fewer kids and relying on immigration to make up for it. As-Ams having kids is important (at replacement levels of 2 children/women), because it's these As-Ams who have a better chance going up against the more entrenched elements of this society that you mentioned, whereas Asian Immigrants for the most part have work ethic going for 'em. You have to remember, Jews have been amongst white europeans for a very large part of their history, and in fact were a significant part of their history as well. So there does exist a very significant cultural advantage that Asians have to compete against. Asians, on the other hand, have a numerical advantage and to some extent the backing of entire nations (like when the South Koreans sent money to the Korean victims of the LA riots, while the Koreans here were being "iced" out from any kind of relief from the government stateside).
As far as hispanics are concerned, do you feel that whatever hostilities they've expressed (towards Asians) is something inherent or something they've picked up here in America? I'm just asking, because down in Peru they did have a Japanese president for a while. Quite a display of trust if you ask me. I'd say if you strip the languages spoken by Hispanics and Asians here in the U.S. the similarities become much more apparent, the diffence primarily being income/education levels and such.
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| I guess we can import asians from China. They're exporting everything these days. Do you think we can outsource baby making to the China. |
The birth/fertility rates for Asians aren't that much different on either side of the pacific... At current levels, it will tend to shift the distribution toward the older end, then eventually the population will shrink, until there's another baby boom. Jews are in a similar predicament, since they also have low birthrates too.
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