This is my first post on this site, and after reading some of it I am shocked and sad over something. I'm a 49/white/female and have always been taught how wonderful the Asian people are. This includes you men! I have two Aunts who married Asian men and both men were loved dearly by my family. They were accepted whole heartedly and with open arms. It was a disappointment when one of the marriages didn't work out. The whole family grieved the loss of that Asian man.

Reading that Asian men think white women do not want them STUNNED me. While in my early twenties I dated a Japanese man who had a white father. I still have very good memories of that time. If I had that chance again I would jump at it.

I was taught how hard working Asian men were, how loyal they were, how decent they were. And to read here that Asian men think white women do not see that is alarming. Asian men, I am here to tell you, that there are MANY of us who were taught by our parents how special the Asian people are. There are MANY of us who not only were taught this great respect for Asians, but we also developed our own respect due to the treatment to us from Asians.

I've had rudeness projected at me by Hispanics. I've had GREAT rudeness and down right criminal behavior projected at me by both black men and women (Too many times to count) But, not once has an Asian, male or female, ever been rude to me in any way.

I was taught Asians are the model minorities, the ones who wouldn't betray you. So far I've found this to be true. Granted, where I live now there are very few Asians, in fact the only ones I encounter are where I get my nails done. But even there, they light up when I walk in. They seem so cheerful and glad to see me and the feeling is mutual.

It just hurts to know that the people I admire so greatly feel that they are not admired back. I have to add, this post is not really just for Asian men, all the women I have met are just as spectacular. Please look up, don't ever, ever, ever feel that many of us white people look down on you. There are many of us who would fight to the finish for you, I am one of them.

Surely you have read statistics Asians have the lowest crime rate in the States. Asians have the highest IQ. Asians are least likely to use or abuse the welfare system. Asians are the most educated per population. I am so sorry anyone has ever made you feel 'sub-human' (that is only one of the cruelties I read which tore at my heart) If anything, if you have been made to feel 'less-than' it's because of your high qualities of education, hard work, low crime rate, etc. I don't know what else to say. Hopefully someone out there will heed these words and know you are cared about greatly here in America. Peace to you.

amen...i just hope what your saying is true, and if it is, its just hard to see.

teknos,

What is hard to see? That many white people care about the Asians in America? That is all I've seen or heard from the white community. I've heard minorities talk bad about the Asians, but I just chalked it up to their own jealousy of the success of Asians.

email, i'm never shocked at the silly things you say.

how DARE you objectify asians and asian men as 'all good'. that's as foolish as saying just because YOU got a lot of heat from hispanics and blacks, that they are somehow 'all bad'. (by the way, i can tell you hate black folks...but after you said that racist stuff about the white crime rate being unnaturally high because hispanics are counted as white-they're NOT-i KNEW you were a person of limited experience).

asians are no 'better' or 'worse' than any other group of people. just as blacks, whites, hispanics, native americans and any other 'racial' group are. to say or imply as such is silly, and only objectifies asian people.

geez, you DO say the oddest things.

How DARE I? Excuse the hell out of me, meathead, but I can have MY opinion all day long and nothing YOU say will ever change it, sway it, or make me believe differently. If *I* choose to objectify ANYONE you are not in position to tell me NOT to. I really don't know who you think you are, meathead, but one thing is certain...there is nothing you can do to change my views. How dare I, my ass. Go chew on it again, meathead, you are powerless to me. You are not the Sgt (if you ever really were) giving out commands. You are just another enraged black person who is furious that many of us will not buckle under your demeaning ways.

Lest you forget, this is an ASIAN forum. Not a "let's try to empower the po black people" forum. If you want that you are in the wrong place. You try to shove your damn links on anyone and everyone while DISCOUNTING the links they provide. Go ahead, pretend your race had accomplishments it did not. Go to the forums where black people had intergalactic space travel eons ago. For you do not want the truth, you want to feel empowered by lies.

Again, you are in NO position to tell me, how dare I. meathead...

lol..there's the old 'email' i know and love to debate with.

first, my dear, i wasn't a sergeant, but a lietenant (both first and second) and captain. i was an OFFICER, and YES, i did give orders.

next, the statement 'how dare you' is really a QUESTION, if you understand the rules of language. its ASKING how you DARE to (do something, say something, think something, etc.). oh, and you didnt answer the question, did you. you admit to objectifying asian men, but you can't LOGICALLY state why. so you can feel, think or say any dumb azzed thing you like (and you do), but you can't provide LOGIC and REASON to silly assed, personal feelings. don't feel bad...NOBODY can.

on to you other silly azzed statements...YOU started in on blacks and white men first, my dear. yes, it IS an asian site, and in YOUR zeal to kiss up to asian men (presumably so one will contact you and you can finally get a man in your life) you put down black people in general FIRST (i didnt make you do it...as you said, i'm 'powerless' over you...bwwwahahahahahahah). you next put down hispanic men (see, i don't forget...you STILL tried to claim that the reason the 'white crime rate' was so high was because 'hispanic criminals are considered white'. so, you basically said that most white crime is REALLY done by hispanics.

then, you put down white men as being 'arrogant' and having an entitlement mentality.

YOU brought up other races and other groups of men in YOUR pathetic and transperant attempt to suck up to asian men. 'asian men are darlings'...as if all asian men are the same...as if all blacks are the same...as if all hispanics are the same...as if all white men are the same.

YOU say SILLY and UNSUPPORTABLE sh!t, and guess what, feces for brains? I'M free to assail, attack and question it at MY leisure to. 'you are powerless over me', to quote YOU.

why dont YOU go to where trailer park trash go on for eons about how tornados always whisk their little shacks away?

"Again, you are in NO position to tell me, how dare I. meathead... "

you make is SOOOOOO easy for me....

Well that's interesting how this thread has turned out so far, in particular the exchange between Email and Gillette. Obviously I don't take either side but I do appreciate both perspectives. All your points are well taken and I take them for what they're worth. Are we still friends?

Hi happy pappy,I'm Nelson.I'm afr. amer.,and guess what?I don't do crack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously,as stated on the asian american website 'modelminority.com',it's almost always a non-asian person(let's face it-white) that's always stating that model minority thing,as if they love asians so much.Most asians are hip to this.If all whites love asians so much,why aren't asian men being represented fairly in the media.One asian guy said, a white friend of his told him that the other white guys at his school told a white girl,"WHY DO YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH THAT ASIAN GUY".I wonder how much that happens,that is,when a white girl wants to go out with an asian guy,she gets itimidation not to do so.

I don't dislike white people.The truth is alot of white people haven't dealt with their supremicist attitude,and some try to divide minorities.

Another thing on modelminority.com there's an article about white flight from predomitely asian high schools in calif.

People in general don't want to face their shortcomings,especially if they're protecting a way they 've always used to dominate over other people,and they're afraid of true equality.

I've found that you can win some people over as friends with love, a soft answer ,and friendship,.................or crack..............comedian me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Nelson nice to meet ya! Well I'm asian amer. and guess what I don't do rice and noodles everyday!! Thanks for your viewpoint as well as the website mentioned which I appreciate. I'll have to check out the website and hope to get something out of it.

I agree with everything you've stated (everything? well except for the crack part lol) because that's the state of affairs right now. That said I'm optimistic that relations and understanding of one another (yes we're all really equal in our maker's eyes) will continue to change for the better. That change will no doubt require more give and take ie adjustments. If only we had a crank on the engine of change so that we could really see something in our lifetime.

Gillete, from reading your post you're the one who lack any class. You sound like a typical angry immature black man. You're attacking a white women because she's praising Asian Americans? Why???
Afterall isn't this an Asian American forum? So she had positive encounters with Asian Americans and not too pleasant experiences with blacks. I'm sure many people who ever lived in major cities would say the same thing. I find many blacks to be downright rude too, not all, but alot.
That doesn't mean I'll avoid all blacks just those inner city ghetto types.

Brioche, I have to agree with Gillette. Just so you know where I am coming from I am a Korean American man probably the same age as yourself. I don't think that what he said was immature, I think it is fact. Asian people can't be generalized, just as people from other races can't be generalized. Yes there are rude black people, but also latinos, whites, asians and arabs. Sometimes I think that because some black people are out going they are considered rude because of negative stereotypes. What I got from Gillette's reaction is that he and Email have butted heads before. I think that Email said some very complimentary things about Asians, but they were broad generalizations. Yes Asians are educated, hard working, good people, but so are people from every race. Email, if you are ever around a large population of Asians you will find people with all of the great characteristics that you mentioned but also murderers, gangsters, drug dealers, rapists, etc. If we want equality, we have to apply the same standards we want to be judged by. Those standards are basically to be seen as the persons that we are and not as only a member of a race. Not to be seen as a carrier of certain stereotypes, even the good ones. Because it is generalizations like the one made by Email that impacts you and I as Asian men in a negative way every day in this country. Also, I have no problem with a non-Asian being on this website voicing opinions as long as they understand that no matter how many Asians they have known, or how many they have dated, that they do not have a first hand experience that we have.

Gillette, I am also an officer in the military. What branch were you and where?

Model Minority???? O...K... To tell you the truth, I'm not really a model person...with a great attitude 100% of the time, although I'm glad you think of us Asian guys that way. But unfortunately, I have bad days too. I'm testy, downright a pain in the @$$ to deal with on some days (it's a wonder my wife puts up with me, but she loves me). People are human...which in short, means that they have human failings. You end up having to take the bad days with the good. It's a good marriage if your good days outnumber your bad.

lets all just kiss each others asses while were at it... hahaaha

Email876,

It is good to know there are still decent people who appreciate us Asians.