I find it almost imorral the conversation that goes on here. You have asian pride but always compare yourself to me the WHITe MANI find it very strange.Really without a racist bone in my body i find racism, and simply blows my mind. I don't see all the racisim pointed towardsasian people,black people,native people rather i find much of this pointed towards the common white person, maybe im mistaken buti find that much of what is pointed towards the WHITE MAN is the same sterotype that any other race feels. But instead of asian small penis,black no job,native drunk, which are wrong! We are sterotype racist, and that only breeds hate. But hey im just a white man, who runs the countrywhat a JOKE that is!!
sorry about the errors got to go to bed, well what shall you think?
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What happenes to whites and or any other race other then asian? this is what blows my mind, we are treated less then human. so you call whites racist. and all colored people should stick toghther. thats a joke why is it when u are in america and there is slight difference in equality there is total shock towards whites, but reversed it is just overlooked. and if its so bad why do asians flok to america? then cry bloody murder
being half white myself maybe i can add my cents...all the racism i've felt is mostly from white people (but then again. whits are the majority in the country..) no ones saying all white ppl are bad..im sure most of the ppl here have alot of white freinds...i know almost all of mine are not to mention my mother is irish...but also i guess the minorities in the country share something in common that kinda helps us understand each other better and thus we feel a closer bond?...i could be wrong, but thats how i feel
i guess u gota be in ones shoes to understand...and since im wearing both shoes i see what you mean too..but to me when i notice prejudice towards whites its alot less hurtfull than when someone makes a asian comment..and i think its simply due to the fact that we're the minority and its almost as if "cracke*" doesnt hold as much weight as "chink"...who says "cracke*" now a days anyways? i think its important to note when we are talking about racism here its not about all white people..alot if not most are good ppl..but even then good ppl hold prejudice...even my own white grandmother makes racist comments and im half asian..but i know she loved me, but its just things like that we're trying to fix
you're right...many minorities who suffer from racism lash out at whites in general (a.k.a, the man, [epithet], mr. bobo, the system, society, etc.).
there are reasons why:
first, whites are currently the majority of the people in this country, at least until around 2050. even then, they'll be the majority of those with money and power. as a symbol of that power (and the history of racism, murder, rape, slavery, etc. , to get that power), whites, particularly white males, are going to be a target of that hate.
next, as a white man who doesnt consider himself racist (since i dont know you, i presume you're telling the truth), you don't and CAN'T see all the overt and covert, conscious and unconscious racist things that minorities feel on a DAILY basis. look at the movies and t.v.....most of the interracial couples are white men and 'the minority ('bend it like beckham', 'the transporter', 'soul man', 'sisters', et. al., ad infinitum). you see white men with minority women, most often because the minority men in the show/movie are portrayed as abusive, domineering, stupid, buffoonish, ugly or gay. no, much of this is probably unconscious. as most writers, directors and producers are white men, the 'male' lead will be what they know most...a white male. in the case of movies like 'bend it like beckham', an indian woman wrote it per HER personal view of relationships, and may have had a white male love interest because she thought it would sell the movie.
but then there are the WHOLLY conscious efforts to emasculate minority men, asian and blacks in particular. black men are thugs, morons, or gay (ever wonder why little richard is so popular 45 years after his three hits were off the charts?). asian men fare, in manliness terms, much worse. they're simply not shown very often. when shown, they are always shorter than the white man. they are most often either neutere or effiminate; somehow, not attractive to the audience, and thus, to the asian female lead, who is, of course, the finest asian woman in the movie.
so, though YOU dont see it, WE do. it goes from merely annoying to hurtful, but minorities see it DAILY.
there are reasons why:
first, whites are currently the majority of the people in this country, at least until around 2050. even then, they'll be the majority of those with money and power. as a symbol of that power (and the history of racism, murder, rape, slavery, etc. , to get that power), whites, particularly white males, are going to be a target of that hate.
next, as a white man who doesnt consider himself racist (since i dont know you, i presume you're telling the truth), you don't and CAN'T see all the overt and covert, conscious and unconscious racist things that minorities feel on a DAILY basis. look at the movies and t.v.....most of the interracial couples are white men and 'the minority ('bend it like beckham', 'the transporter', 'soul man', 'sisters', et. al., ad infinitum). you see white men with minority women, most often because the minority men in the show/movie are portrayed as abusive, domineering, stupid, buffoonish, ugly or gay. no, much of this is probably unconscious. as most writers, directors and producers are white men, the 'male' lead will be what they know most...a white male. in the case of movies like 'bend it like beckham', an indian woman wrote it per HER personal view of relationships, and may have had a white male love interest because she thought it would sell the movie.
but then there are the WHOLLY conscious efforts to emasculate minority men, asian and blacks in particular. black men are thugs, morons, or gay (ever wonder why little richard is so popular 45 years after his three hits were off the charts?). asian men fare, in manliness terms, much worse. they're simply not shown very often. when shown, they are always shorter than the white man. they are most often either neutere or effiminate; somehow, not attractive to the audience, and thus, to the asian female lead, who is, of course, the finest asian woman in the movie.
so, though YOU dont see it, WE do. it goes from merely annoying to hurtful, but minorities see it DAILY.
tek said it best...sadly, its impossible for you to EMPATHIZE with minorities, as you're not one yourself.
as whites are in control, a black person or asian person calling a white person 'redneck' isn't nearly as hurtful. the fact that most crimes in america are still committed by whites (from street level mugging to corporate misdoings) means nothing to other whites. show a black criminal or hispanic criminal, however, and its always that much more damaging. why? because minorities start at a lower level in a western society anyway. any negative affects them more than whites.
white women can be shown as dumb blondes and bimbos (like jessica simpson), but that doesnt disparage ALL white women.
if a black woman winds up in a music video (a video ho*), that has implications for ALL black women, which have always been around (black women a sl*ts good for only sex). if ONE asian women utters 'me so horny' , then that feeds into the racist belief that asian women are 'easy' for white men.
again, COMPLETE rubbish (as all racism is) but it persists...and many people who don't consider themselves 'racist' often buy into these stereotypes, to a greater or lesser degree.
as whites are in control, a black person or asian person calling a white person 'redneck' isn't nearly as hurtful. the fact that most crimes in america are still committed by whites (from street level mugging to corporate misdoings) means nothing to other whites. show a black criminal or hispanic criminal, however, and its always that much more damaging. why? because minorities start at a lower level in a western society anyway. any negative affects them more than whites.
white women can be shown as dumb blondes and bimbos (like jessica simpson), but that doesnt disparage ALL white women.
if a black woman winds up in a music video (a video ho*), that has implications for ALL black women, which have always been around (black women a sl*ts good for only sex). if ONE asian women utters 'me so horny' , then that feeds into the racist belief that asian women are 'easy' for white men.
again, COMPLETE rubbish (as all racism is) but it persists...and many people who don't consider themselves 'racist' often buy into these stereotypes, to a greater or lesser degree.
I find it bizzare how you talk about WF being dumb blonde and the white race is not effected, but when an AF does some sort offbeat thing it is drastic to the asian race. And that somehow is to be the white mans fault .
You are in a white dominated country so the media is manily white why because thats who buys most of the product and that is what would be most profitable. If you go to some asian country what would you find in the media? asian people that show whites in sterotypical situation. Maybe both are uninformed or maybe both are racist. In final why do asian people think cracker has no barring and chink does . Personally as a white male i find it hurtful.
You are in a white dominated country so the media is manily white why because thats who buys most of the product and that is what would be most profitable. If you go to some asian country what would you find in the media? asian people that show whites in sterotypical situation. Maybe both are uninformed or maybe both are racist. In final why do asian people think cracker has no barring and chink does . Personally as a white male i find it hurtful.
As being a white male i have had many attacks comitties aganist me by blacks. One time i was at the bus loop and i was attacked robbed and beaten by a group of ten or so black males. At a club i was attacked by a group of fillipinos as a slipped out of the club and went to 7-11 . And i think most white people would consider this an act of racism and beecome anti anything non-white but still to this day i have love in my heart for all races. I still try and be brave even through i might have been a racisal target. By the way am a white italian frm canada.
i have had half white half chinese g/f . A latino g/f. A protugese g/f. So i know quite i bit about races and with all of thee races i have felt welcome in there houses.
daniel owens,
please don't take what i say as meaning you don't have any idea what minorities go through. if you've dated women of color, you can see SOME of the things they go through. you can SYMPATHIZE with them, of course.
however, as you're not a minority, so you can't EMPATHIZE. just as i'm a man, i can't EMPATHIZE with what a woman goes through on a daily basis as far as sexism is concerned.
there are instances, i'm sure, where you go to a filipino or black bar, and you face resentment. like you said, however, this is a mostly white country, and most of the power is in white male hands. as such, on a daily basis, you can elect to avoid minorities...minorities, however, don't have the luxury to avoid whites and the white power structure.
please don't take what i say as meaning you don't have any idea what minorities go through. if you've dated women of color, you can see SOME of the things they go through. you can SYMPATHIZE with them, of course.
however, as you're not a minority, so you can't EMPATHIZE. just as i'm a man, i can't EMPATHIZE with what a woman goes through on a daily basis as far as sexism is concerned.
there are instances, i'm sure, where you go to a filipino or black bar, and you face resentment. like you said, however, this is a mostly white country, and most of the power is in white male hands. as such, on a daily basis, you can elect to avoid minorities...minorities, however, don't have the luxury to avoid whites and the white power structure.
gillette,
Your full of baloney. Yes, there are more white crimes in America, but we make up over 70% of the population. Blacks, according to percentages have, BY FAR, the highest crime rate in the states. They make up ONLY 12% of the population and commit nearly 70% of the crimes. At any given time HALF of the black men between the ages of 14-50 are either in jail, in prison, on parole, on probation or awaiting trial. You know this, I know this, all the people in the states know about the high black crime rate. It is dishonest to say the very least to attempt to make people believe whites commit most the crimes. Just like the welfare system, 75% of black babies born are born OUT of wedlock. So, all these mothers, 70% of black women are on welfare. But, they love to shout out that more whites are on welfare. Sure, there are millions more of us. BUT PERCENTAGE wise, black take the number one slot in that area also.
See, what irritates me is black know what I just said to be true. But, they want to point out the low percentate rates of white crime and white welfare. I suppose if my people had the high crime rate yours does, I'd want to twist and distort and out and out LIE to save face also.
But you know who is hurt in the long run? YOU ARE. As long as the blacks continue pointing the finger at anyone and everyone except themselves, they will stay on the lowest rung of the economic ladder. I didn't put you there. No one I know put you there. The blacks did.
Go up to fbi.org, you'll get a eye opener. And, take into account that the hispanic crime is almost as much as yours. BUT, they put the hispanics crime rate in with the white crime rate when doing their numbers which makes ours look MUCH worse than it is. Unfortunately there is not a separate counting for the hispanics.
I found your post very offending, it is this type of lie that keeps you where you are. You can lie to yourself, you can lie to every person on this board, you can lie to the black community, but you can't lie to me or the FBI.
Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites in 1992.
In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
You're right gillette, we don't know what it's like to be a minority in America. But, we do know what it's like to have to sit back and take it in the azz because to do something drastic about the black crime rate is just flat out taboo anymore.
Here is just ONE story I could tell you about blacks.
Earlier this week there is someone POUNDING on my door. I open it and it's an enraged black man about 35 years old. He THINKS my son took something of his son's. He is screaming obsenities and jthreatening to come into my house and beat my teenager. I tell him to leave and this creep looks at me and say, F*CK YOU. Yes, that good old nature of blacks comes rising right up out of him. I go in and call 911 and by this time my son is outside. The azzhole is doing all he can to provoke me or my son into hitting him. I won't repeat what he said to me but I have NEVER been spoken to like this from anyone EXCEPT black people. Cops arrive and I had to ask them several times to PLEASE go through my home to prove this creep is a NUT. The officer has my son and I wait outside until he is through talking to the creep. He said, If you wait outside no one can say you hid it. The creep never did tell us what it was he thought my son took. The officer comes back in and goes through every corner of my house. Even MY room. There is NOTHING here. The black azzhole gets a criminal trespass warrent put on his azz.
THAT is what people in AMerica put up with EVERY stinking day from the blacks.
So, no, I do not know what it is like to be a minority, BUT, I DO know what it is like to have the minorities take THEIR hate and rage out on ME. I didn't put you in the GD ghetto and I can't take you out. That is YOUR people's place to get up and do something for themselves.
Here is just ONE story I could tell you about blacks.
Earlier this week there is someone POUNDING on my door. I open it and it's an enraged black man about 35 years old. He THINKS my son took something of his son's. He is screaming obsenities and jthreatening to come into my house and beat my teenager. I tell him to leave and this creep looks at me and say, F*CK YOU. Yes, that good old nature of blacks comes rising right up out of him. I go in and call 911 and by this time my son is outside. The azzhole is doing all he can to provoke me or my son into hitting him. I won't repeat what he said to me but I have NEVER been spoken to like this from anyone EXCEPT black people. Cops arrive and I had to ask them several times to PLEASE go through my home to prove this creep is a NUT. The officer has my son and I wait outside until he is through talking to the creep. He said, If you wait outside no one can say you hid it. The creep never did tell us what it was he thought my son took. The officer comes back in and goes through every corner of my house. Even MY room. There is NOTHING here. The black azzhole gets a criminal trespass warrent put on his azz.
THAT is what people in AMerica put up with EVERY stinking day from the blacks.
So, no, I do not know what it is like to be a minority, BUT, I DO know what it is like to have the minorities take THEIR hate and rage out on ME. I didn't put you in the GD ghetto and I can't take you out. That is YOUR people's place to get up and do something for themselves.
Gillette,
You think black men are stereotyped as gay? As thugs? Hmmm...go check out that FBI site I told you about and you'll see it is NOT a stereotype. Blacks have a SEVERE crime rate. The gay part? Go to the web and do a search on black women and AIDS. Black women have the fastest growing AIDS rate in the States due to their men being on the downlow? Going to deny it? Hook up with AOL for one free month and go to the Black Focus boards. The women there will tell youa thing or two. I realize you might think I'm picking at you. But, your denial of what is happening in the black world of America is like me denying the slave trade. Nothing changes as long as you lie about it. Only the blacks can get themselves out of the situation they are in. In the last 30 years our government as spent SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS for the war on poverty. It didn't work. Why not? Should we spend another seven trillion? Or should some people be held accountable for their own actions? We see crap everyday too, gillette, blacks don't have the corner on pain.
teknos said most of the racism he has experienced is from whites. Well, most of the racism I have experienced is from blacks. I've had a some mexicans be racist, but have never had an Asian be rude to me, much less racist.
You think black men are stereotyped as gay? As thugs? Hmmm...go check out that FBI site I told you about and you'll see it is NOT a stereotype. Blacks have a SEVERE crime rate. The gay part? Go to the web and do a search on black women and AIDS. Black women have the fastest growing AIDS rate in the States due to their men being on the downlow? Going to deny it? Hook up with AOL for one free month and go to the Black Focus boards. The women there will tell youa thing or two. I realize you might think I'm picking at you. But, your denial of what is happening in the black world of America is like me denying the slave trade. Nothing changes as long as you lie about it. Only the blacks can get themselves out of the situation they are in. In the last 30 years our government as spent SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS for the war on poverty. It didn't work. Why not? Should we spend another seven trillion? Or should some people be held accountable for their own actions? We see crap everyday too, gillette, blacks don't have the corner on pain.
teknos said most of the racism he has experienced is from whites. Well, most of the racism I have experienced is from blacks. I've had a some mexicans be racist, but have never had an Asian be rude to me, much less racist.
Why is it every race flocks to america a white dominated country then complain of racism?
Why is it whites never move to africa or china? But of both each would die to come to white(the man,theboss,the crackerss)country?
Why is it black owners of black slaves sold blacks to whites,spanish and jewish people in order to recive metal in order to retain more black slaves to sell to whites, we didn't steal you from africa you where sold by your own people and why should we be blamed?
Why is it white country's(america and europe) are the richest on earth besides china wgos population dwarfs whites?And whites are the rareist species of man on earth?
Why is it asians and whites are the only succesful cultures of people on earth?
Why is it whites have the least population but are the most reconized loved and hated race on earth?
Why is it new age whites born after 1980 are aostrisized about racisim and slavery when we didn't have a thing to do with it and where never taught racism until it was thrust upon us by blacks?
Why is it ok to have black award shows and black channels on tv but not ok for whites to have there own? And we are called rasict. When blacks exclued themsleves?
Why is it blacks don't move back to africa and be with there roots which is poverty,starvation,murder and disease?Snice the white man holds them back
Why is it whites are hated for there human success in technology,power and force?
Why do blacks think they where egyptians and if they where they had white slaves?whick is not true http://www.white-history.com/ very interesting
why is it whites and asians are the most successful races?
Why do people think this is racist to prove out these points?
http://www.white-history.com/
Why is it whites never move to africa or china? But of both each would die to come to white(the man,theboss,the crackerss)country?
Why is it black owners of black slaves sold blacks to whites,spanish and jewish people in order to recive metal in order to retain more black slaves to sell to whites, we didn't steal you from africa you where sold by your own people and why should we be blamed?
Why is it white country's(america and europe) are the richest on earth besides china wgos population dwarfs whites?And whites are the rareist species of man on earth?
Why is it asians and whites are the only succesful cultures of people on earth?
Why is it whites have the least population but are the most reconized loved and hated race on earth?
Why is it new age whites born after 1980 are aostrisized about racisim and slavery when we didn't have a thing to do with it and where never taught racism until it was thrust upon us by blacks?
Why is it ok to have black award shows and black channels on tv but not ok for whites to have there own? And we are called rasict. When blacks exclued themsleves?
Why is it blacks don't move back to africa and be with there roots which is poverty,starvation,murder and disease?Snice the white man holds them back
Why is it whites are hated for there human success in technology,power and force?
Why do blacks think they where egyptians and if they where they had white slaves?whick is not true http://www.white-history.com/ very interesting
why is it whites and asians are the most successful races?
Why do people think this is racist to prove out these points?
http://www.white-history.com/
^ Excuse me. Try not to identity caucasian people as a separate species. They do share the same DNA with only minor differences in melonin.
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email, not full of baloney, just honest. your statements strike me not only as knee jerking, but of racist.
yes, blacks in america have a high crime rate...why? because blacks are more likely to be poor. 'freaknomics' talks about how POOR people are more likely to have criminals in their ranks than non-poor.
go to appalachia and you'll see MOST of the crimes are committed BY poor whites against other poor whites.
crack dealing is a black (and increasingly hispanic) thing..but guess what? crystal meth is an almost exclusively white drug of choices...so much so that if i want to buy allegey medicine in chicago, i have to be put on a register (along with others) to make sure i'm not buying too much...see, those white, crystal meth sellers use allergy medice and cold medicine as ingredients to meth.
sniffing glue? a white, country thing.
injecting alcohol directly into the blood stream? a white thing.
oh, by the way, blacks DID sell other blacks into slavery in africa. they didnt consider blacks of another tribe as 'brothers', but as enemies who's land and weath they desired...JUST LIKE whites fighting each other and enslaving/killing each other (adolf hitler and the nazi's come to mind...going back further, ask any polish person how they define their history...its based on the three partitions that germany/prussia and russia did to them...poles were HABITUALLY germanized or russified, enslaved, raped, etc.)
i will NOT excuse black criminals one bit. they are criminals, directly, because they are criminals. MOST blacks who are poor and in the 'hood' do not commit crimes. however, a black man caught with an ounce of crack goes to jail more assuredly, and longer, than a white man with powder cocaine. white meth sellers go to jail quicker and longer than white powder cocaine people.
its racist (perhaps defacto racist) and its also classist.
in a country like the u.s., there's NO REASON for a white man to be poor. being born a white man damned near guarantees you prosperity and wealth. thats why, i've noticed, whites who are 'rich' hold the most contempt for poor whites. blacks, latinos, asians, indians are most often considered 'lesser races', but a white man? NO EXCUSE.
before you spew out silly, unsubstantied racist stuff, learn what's BEHIND your 'logic'.
yes, blacks in america have a high crime rate...why? because blacks are more likely to be poor. 'freaknomics' talks about how POOR people are more likely to have criminals in their ranks than non-poor.
go to appalachia and you'll see MOST of the crimes are committed BY poor whites against other poor whites.
crack dealing is a black (and increasingly hispanic) thing..but guess what? crystal meth is an almost exclusively white drug of choices...so much so that if i want to buy allegey medicine in chicago, i have to be put on a register (along with others) to make sure i'm not buying too much...see, those white, crystal meth sellers use allergy medice and cold medicine as ingredients to meth.
sniffing glue? a white, country thing.
injecting alcohol directly into the blood stream? a white thing.
oh, by the way, blacks DID sell other blacks into slavery in africa. they didnt consider blacks of another tribe as 'brothers', but as enemies who's land and weath they desired...JUST LIKE whites fighting each other and enslaving/killing each other (adolf hitler and the nazi's come to mind...going back further, ask any polish person how they define their history...its based on the three partitions that germany/prussia and russia did to them...poles were HABITUALLY germanized or russified, enslaved, raped, etc.)
i will NOT excuse black criminals one bit. they are criminals, directly, because they are criminals. MOST blacks who are poor and in the 'hood' do not commit crimes. however, a black man caught with an ounce of crack goes to jail more assuredly, and longer, than a white man with powder cocaine. white meth sellers go to jail quicker and longer than white powder cocaine people.
its racist (perhaps defacto racist) and its also classist.
in a country like the u.s., there's NO REASON for a white man to be poor. being born a white man damned near guarantees you prosperity and wealth. thats why, i've noticed, whites who are 'rich' hold the most contempt for poor whites. blacks, latinos, asians, indians are most often considered 'lesser races', but a white man? NO EXCUSE.
before you spew out silly, unsubstantied racist stuff, learn what's BEHIND your 'logic'.
email, you wrote:
"Earlier this week there is someone POUNDING on my door. I open it and it's an enraged black man about 35 years old. He THINKS my son took something of his son's. He is screaming obsenities and jthreatening to come into my house and beat my teenager. I tell him to leave and this creep looks at me and say, F*CK YOU. Yes, that good old nature of blacks comes rising right up out of him. I go in and call 911 and by this time my son is outside. The azzhole is doing all he can to provoke me or my son into hitting him. I won't repeat what he said to me but I have NEVER been spoken to like this from anyone EXCEPT black people. "
too fu*kin bad. you cry that you only get treated that way by blacks? interesting. different black people, one you. the common denominnator is YOU. what YOU are putting out is what gets people to accost you.
i've been called "ni**er' three times in life, all by white people seeing me when i was sitting down in my car. as i got out, they quickly changed their tune and ran. i don't whine, bi$ch and moan about how 'all white people are racist', because all aren't. only a FOOL says "ALL" people are this and that.
if you are accosted by as many black folks as you claim, why not move to an all white neighborhood? ahhhh, there's the problem. bet you can't AFFORD to do that, can ya?
LOL
"Earlier this week there is someone POUNDING on my door. I open it and it's an enraged black man about 35 years old. He THINKS my son took something of his son's. He is screaming obsenities and jthreatening to come into my house and beat my teenager. I tell him to leave and this creep looks at me and say, F*CK YOU. Yes, that good old nature of blacks comes rising right up out of him. I go in and call 911 and by this time my son is outside. The azzhole is doing all he can to provoke me or my son into hitting him. I won't repeat what he said to me but I have NEVER been spoken to like this from anyone EXCEPT black people. "
too fu*kin bad. you cry that you only get treated that way by blacks? interesting. different black people, one you. the common denominnator is YOU. what YOU are putting out is what gets people to accost you.
i've been called "ni**er' three times in life, all by white people seeing me when i was sitting down in my car. as i got out, they quickly changed their tune and ran. i don't whine, bi$ch and moan about how 'all white people are racist', because all aren't. only a FOOL says "ALL" people are this and that.
if you are accosted by as many black folks as you claim, why not move to an all white neighborhood? ahhhh, there's the problem. bet you can't AFFORD to do that, can ya?
LOL
To: danielOwens
You ask a series of simplistic questions some of which are ridiculous (As has already pointed out, for example, about Whites being a seperate species) then follow your diatribe with a link to White supremacist's website about the history of White people (Here's a clue, they include Adolf Hitler as one of the honorable members of White history). At the close of your rant, complete with grammatical mistakes and spelling errors, you insert an early 1970s graphic about having "No room in your heart for prejudice". Well gee golly, I guess that makes it all better.
You ask a series of simplistic questions some of which are ridiculous (As has already pointed out, for example, about Whites being a seperate species) then follow your diatribe with a link to White supremacist's website about the history of White people (Here's a clue, they include Adolf Hitler as one of the honorable members of White history). At the close of your rant, complete with grammatical mistakes and spelling errors, you insert an early 1970s graphic about having "No room in your heart for prejudice". Well gee golly, I guess that makes it all better.
email, other things to ponder:
you THINK i take what the FBI says seriously? the same organization that worked with the CIA and local police in COINTELPRO (counter intelligence program) that shut down not only as many civil rights and black power organizations, but not too few WHITE campus movements and the growing feminist movement).
the same organization that had a cross dressing, homosexual with a male 'partner' for damned near 50 year?
the same organiation that BOTCHED everything it touched in the way of intelligence that led to 9/11?
LOL...no fuggin way, johnny.
again, if you had ANY comprehension of history, you'd know that blacks (and other minorities, including 'poor whites') have a MUCH greater chance of being surveilled by police than whites (particularly middle class to affluent whites).
blacks (including myself, a clean cut, former army officer, MBA possesser) get pulled over by police for 'driving while black'.
asians in western states were DENIED the right to own land well until the late 40s and early 50s (many of the laws were passed as late as the 1920s.
hispanics in some states like texas were lynched and beaten at a rate similar to blacks.
indians have been wiped out and conditions on reservations are bleak as hell (ever been to one? bet ya haven't...well, i've been to FEW...crime rates on reservations are highers than detroit, d.c. and gary combined).
all of these things lead up to criminal behavior, particularly when the people being oppressed see no other hope.
oh, damn, right...illinois, with former governer ryan, put a moratorium on the death sentence when it was revealed that DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of those on death row (mostly black and hispanic of any race) were falsey accused, illegally prosecuted and had exonerationg evidence withheld) .
see, sonny, ALL of that goes into 'conviction' of blacks and other minorities.
its good you spewed out the statistics...now TRY to understand what MAKES them.
you THINK i take what the FBI says seriously? the same organization that worked with the CIA and local police in COINTELPRO (counter intelligence program) that shut down not only as many civil rights and black power organizations, but not too few WHITE campus movements and the growing feminist movement).
the same organization that had a cross dressing, homosexual with a male 'partner' for damned near 50 year?
the same organiation that BOTCHED everything it touched in the way of intelligence that led to 9/11?
LOL...no fuggin way, johnny.
again, if you had ANY comprehension of history, you'd know that blacks (and other minorities, including 'poor whites') have a MUCH greater chance of being surveilled by police than whites (particularly middle class to affluent whites).
blacks (including myself, a clean cut, former army officer, MBA possesser) get pulled over by police for 'driving while black'.
asians in western states were DENIED the right to own land well until the late 40s and early 50s (many of the laws were passed as late as the 1920s.
hispanics in some states like texas were lynched and beaten at a rate similar to blacks.
indians have been wiped out and conditions on reservations are bleak as hell (ever been to one? bet ya haven't...well, i've been to FEW...crime rates on reservations are highers than detroit, d.c. and gary combined).
all of these things lead up to criminal behavior, particularly when the people being oppressed see no other hope.
oh, damn, right...illinois, with former governer ryan, put a moratorium on the death sentence when it was revealed that DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of those on death row (mostly black and hispanic of any race) were falsey accused, illegally prosecuted and had exonerationg evidence withheld) .
see, sonny, ALL of that goes into 'conviction' of blacks and other minorities.
its good you spewed out the statistics...now TRY to understand what MAKES them.
email, i responded to your laughable 'fbi' statistics, and told you that:
i'd NEVER pay attention to the fbi and its stats because of its inability to do its job that led to 9/11
it had hoover as its head for about 50 years, and we KNOW he was a cross dressing pervert with a boyfriend
that blacks (and hispanics) are habitually arrested and prosecuted at a higher rate than their white counterparts
etc, etc.
look, what YOU have experienced isn't the world. you never were accosted by asians? oh well. as a white woman, you're seen as a non-threat (women are seen as non-threats), so thats not a shock. i, as a black man, HAVE experienced prejudice by asians (follow me around in the stores, rude, etc.). so what? it happens. there are jerks and fools in EVERY race.
facts are facts, my friend: 250 years of slavery, with an additionaly 140 years of jim crow and other forms of racism, HAVE brought black people to the state that they are in. IN SPITE of that, the percentage of blacks living below the poverty line is STILL in the lower 30s.
my parents were able to get their bachelors and masters degrees in the 1950s. my dad had to face racism in the navy in world war II. but he still made it.
thats why i won't EVER take the excuse that racism is to blame for all black problems. i will, however, NOTE that racism is the underlying cause, at some point, for black problems. black folks just have to get over it. and the OVERWHELMING majority do, in spite of 'legalized racism'.
i'd NEVER pay attention to the fbi and its stats because of its inability to do its job that led to 9/11
it had hoover as its head for about 50 years, and we KNOW he was a cross dressing pervert with a boyfriend
that blacks (and hispanics) are habitually arrested and prosecuted at a higher rate than their white counterparts
etc, etc.
look, what YOU have experienced isn't the world. you never were accosted by asians? oh well. as a white woman, you're seen as a non-threat (women are seen as non-threats), so thats not a shock. i, as a black man, HAVE experienced prejudice by asians (follow me around in the stores, rude, etc.). so what? it happens. there are jerks and fools in EVERY race.
facts are facts, my friend: 250 years of slavery, with an additionaly 140 years of jim crow and other forms of racism, HAVE brought black people to the state that they are in. IN SPITE of that, the percentage of blacks living below the poverty line is STILL in the lower 30s.
my parents were able to get their bachelors and masters degrees in the 1950s. my dad had to face racism in the navy in world war II. but he still made it.
thats why i won't EVER take the excuse that racism is to blame for all black problems. i will, however, NOTE that racism is the underlying cause, at some point, for black problems. black folks just have to get over it. and the OVERWHELMING majority do, in spite of 'legalized racism'.
additionally, email, you moaned:
"In the last 30 years our government as spent SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS for the war on poverty. It didn't work. Why not? Should we spend another seven trillion? Or should some people be held accountable for their own actions? We see crap everyday too, gillette, blacks don't have the corner on pain. "
well, guess what? until 2000, the largest group of people on public aid/welfare were WHITES (in 1990, something like 37%, versus 33% being black). now, to be fair, blacks represent 35% of those on public aid, and whites something like 32%, hispanics the fastest growing number are in the upper 20 percentile.
so, yeah, the government DID spend a lot of money on the war against poverty, primarily on WHITE FOLKS...and i can tell you where MOST of that white folks money went...to the appalachian regions. to former coal miners, with their black lungs, who were oppressed and abused by the mine owners.
as far as 'gay black men', black women getting aids at a higher rate than others is NOT an indication that black men are, somehow, more likely to be gay. if so, PROVE it. the researchers can't. i'd say to a black woman, white woman, any color woman...do NOT have unprotected sex with a man you're not married to. even then , he can cheat, but the likelihood is lessened.
don't get all your knowledge about black folks from oprah.
"In the last 30 years our government as spent SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS for the war on poverty. It didn't work. Why not? Should we spend another seven trillion? Or should some people be held accountable for their own actions? We see crap everyday too, gillette, blacks don't have the corner on pain. "
well, guess what? until 2000, the largest group of people on public aid/welfare were WHITES (in 1990, something like 37%, versus 33% being black). now, to be fair, blacks represent 35% of those on public aid, and whites something like 32%, hispanics the fastest growing number are in the upper 20 percentile.
so, yeah, the government DID spend a lot of money on the war against poverty, primarily on WHITE FOLKS...and i can tell you where MOST of that white folks money went...to the appalachian regions. to former coal miners, with their black lungs, who were oppressed and abused by the mine owners.
as far as 'gay black men', black women getting aids at a higher rate than others is NOT an indication that black men are, somehow, more likely to be gay. if so, PROVE it. the researchers can't. i'd say to a black woman, white woman, any color woman...do NOT have unprotected sex with a man you're not married to. even then , he can cheat, but the likelihood is lessened.
don't get all your knowledge about black folks from oprah.
Gillette,
Well, since the FBI stats don't matter. And the only reason blacks are in jail is because of the white man, I'll close with this statement.
The black man pounding on my door in a rage came to MY house. I sure as heck didn't go to his wherever he lives. He was yelling the second I opened the door. So, just what did I put out, Gillette? Nothing, not a dang thing except to ask him to leave and he went into his little rage even more. So, nothing YOU say changed my mind. I know what I've experienced, and nothing can take that away from me.
So, since basically none of the blacks have created their problem in your eyes, I have nothing left to say.
Well, since the FBI stats don't matter. And the only reason blacks are in jail is because of the white man, I'll close with this statement.
The black man pounding on my door in a rage came to MY house. I sure as heck didn't go to his wherever he lives. He was yelling the second I opened the door. So, just what did I put out, Gillette? Nothing, not a dang thing except to ask him to leave and he went into his little rage even more. So, nothing YOU say changed my mind. I know what I've experienced, and nothing can take that away from me.
So, since basically none of the blacks have created their problem in your eyes, I have nothing left to say.
email, please. the 'putting words in someone else's mouth' game is tired, and old. it signals that your arguement, based on racist bullsh*t and air, is a lost cause. you can't argue FACTS with prejudice...it never works.
point out WHERE i said that the problems of blacks are all the white mans fault. you CANT!
what i said was that many of the problems that black people face are of their own doing, but BASED on racism, etc. at the end of the day, the vast majority of black criminals (as is the case with white, hispanic, asian, native, etc.) are in jail because they are CRIMINALS.
however, if you even LOOK at any paper written by sociologist, criminologists, etc., you'd KNOW that blacks (and hispanics) are:
1) arrested faster for the same crimes as whites
2) prosecuted faster for the same crimes as whites
3) sent to jail LONGER for the same crimes as whites
4) more likely to be sent to death row for the same crime as whites
the reason vary, my dear. sometimes its outright racism (many a black man in the jim crow south was sent to the chain gang for 'loitering'...funny, since they weren't allowed to work jobs, so if they were caught during the work day, they were 'loitering')
sometimes, its just that whites on the jury often feel they have more in common with a white person than a black or hispanic. its not overt racism, but they can better empathize with someone like them.
oh, and about the crazy stat about hispanics being lumped into whites and thats why the crime rate goes up....wake up! hispanics are NOT lumped into 'white' crime rates...its kept seperate. thats how they are able to tell who's in a 'hispanic gang', a 'black gang' , 'white gang', etc. they can tell by surnames. they can tell all sorts of things, my dear. that pathetic attempt to downplay white crime rates by blaming it on hispanics is so funny, i wonder if you even MEANT that seriously.
oh, by the way, of the 100 or so SERIAL KILLERS operating right now in the U.S., the vast majority are WHITE MEN, between the ages of 21 and 42, living at home with mommy or they are 'loners'.
see all those schools like columbine getting shot up? it aint blacks or hispanics, its frustrated white boys who got picked on by other whites.
as far as your neighbor being black who banged on your door? so what? i said there are crazy folks in every race. i've had white folks attempt to assail me in my car. i don't cry about how evil all whites are.
you're 40 something years old. grow the hell up.
point out WHERE i said that the problems of blacks are all the white mans fault. you CANT!
what i said was that many of the problems that black people face are of their own doing, but BASED on racism, etc. at the end of the day, the vast majority of black criminals (as is the case with white, hispanic, asian, native, etc.) are in jail because they are CRIMINALS.
however, if you even LOOK at any paper written by sociologist, criminologists, etc., you'd KNOW that blacks (and hispanics) are:
1) arrested faster for the same crimes as whites
2) prosecuted faster for the same crimes as whites
3) sent to jail LONGER for the same crimes as whites
4) more likely to be sent to death row for the same crime as whites
the reason vary, my dear. sometimes its outright racism (many a black man in the jim crow south was sent to the chain gang for 'loitering'...funny, since they weren't allowed to work jobs, so if they were caught during the work day, they were 'loitering')
sometimes, its just that whites on the jury often feel they have more in common with a white person than a black or hispanic. its not overt racism, but they can better empathize with someone like them.
oh, and about the crazy stat about hispanics being lumped into whites and thats why the crime rate goes up....wake up! hispanics are NOT lumped into 'white' crime rates...its kept seperate. thats how they are able to tell who's in a 'hispanic gang', a 'black gang' , 'white gang', etc. they can tell by surnames. they can tell all sorts of things, my dear. that pathetic attempt to downplay white crime rates by blaming it on hispanics is so funny, i wonder if you even MEANT that seriously.
oh, by the way, of the 100 or so SERIAL KILLERS operating right now in the U.S., the vast majority are WHITE MEN, between the ages of 21 and 42, living at home with mommy or they are 'loners'.
see all those schools like columbine getting shot up? it aint blacks or hispanics, its frustrated white boys who got picked on by other whites.
as far as your neighbor being black who banged on your door? so what? i said there are crazy folks in every race. i've had white folks attempt to assail me in my car. i don't cry about how evil all whites are.
you're 40 something years old. grow the hell up.
You know what, Gillette,
YOU were the one who said I was putting something 'out there'. Right, the slimy creep comes to my door and it's MY fault. Priceless, Gillette, absolutely priceless. My opinions are far from childish, Gillette, you just don't like someone coming at you with some cold hard facts. You're all bent out of my shape because someone caught you spreading your crap and they come back with a rebuttal. Oh well, such is the black man. See, you're trying to make ME believe these "facts" of your's, while you completely dismissed mine. Cute, Gillette, cute. Your "facts" are no more valid crap. Typical banter from the black man.
The cops let him know real quick, HE was in the wrong. Poor guy, he went to the wrong house this time. I'd heard about him but just blew it off. He's the only one out here, he'll probably get ran off if he keeps this crap up. Good riddance to him.
Hey, were YOU putting something "out there" when the Asians were racist to you? Were you putting something "out there" when you try to provoke a white in to hitting you? Take a look at your own self, gillette. Your hatred is dripping off the screen. You do realise this whole charade is because someone challenged YOUR words about the HIGH white crime rate. You can't back it up, so I won't waste my time with you. I like to watch blacks get all frustrated when someone counters their lies.
YOU were the one who said I was putting something 'out there'. Right, the slimy creep comes to my door and it's MY fault. Priceless, Gillette, absolutely priceless. My opinions are far from childish, Gillette, you just don't like someone coming at you with some cold hard facts. You're all bent out of my shape because someone caught you spreading your crap and they come back with a rebuttal. Oh well, such is the black man. See, you're trying to make ME believe these "facts" of your's, while you completely dismissed mine. Cute, Gillette, cute. Your "facts" are no more valid crap. Typical banter from the black man.
The cops let him know real quick, HE was in the wrong. Poor guy, he went to the wrong house this time. I'd heard about him but just blew it off. He's the only one out here, he'll probably get ran off if he keeps this crap up. Good riddance to him.
Hey, were YOU putting something "out there" when the Asians were racist to you? Were you putting something "out there" when you try to provoke a white in to hitting you? Take a look at your own self, gillette. Your hatred is dripping off the screen. You do realise this whole charade is because someone challenged YOUR words about the HIGH white crime rate. You can't back it up, so I won't waste my time with you. I like to watch blacks get all frustrated when someone counters their lies.
indeed, email, when someone calls me 'n!gger', be they white, asian, native, other, i'm not ABOUT to throw the first punch and get thrown in jail. that would be folly. but, since anyone who uses that PARTICULAR term to put blacks down can't be TOO smart, i feel i have to teach them a lesson. in the words of 'boss man' in 'cool hand luke': what we have hear is... a FAILURE to COMMUNICATE. their minds aren't RIGHT...i have to get their minds RIGHT."
thus, i WILL sucker them into a fight. so far, none have had the balls to back up their banter with their pugilistic skills. pity. if one ever does, they'd soon be on the business end of an arse whippin (didnt spend 9 years in the army, as an officer and a good amount in infantry,to let some slob get away with disrespecting his superiors). that way, after the arse whipping, they can't go running to the police. oh, i make a COMPLETE spectacle of it so the witnesses will all say mr. bigot threw the first punch.
i never DOUBTED that the guy who banged on your door (based on your story) is a fool. so what? he's a fool that happens to be black. you trying to say that you NEVER had ONE SINGLE PROBLEM with a white man? you already proclaimed your love of the asian man, and part of that is, perhaps, you're 'angry' with white men (oh, i read these posts). so, since you may be a BIT miffed with white men, are all of THEM lousy, at the bottom of humanity, etc.? just a question....
so, your 'rebuttal' is, at the end of the day, ONE INCIDENT in the lives of ONE WOMAN, who happens to be white, ONE CHILD, who happens to be white and her son and ONE MAN , who happens to be black. NONE of these 'facts' can be interpreted as damning any gender, age or race. GOT IT? GOOD!
i could give less than a DAMN if you believe my stats or not. i'll put the truth out there and if you persist in being a racist, be my guest. i lose nothing in the process. but you can NEVER claim you didnt know.
that means you go from being ignorant (in the sense you didnt know) to just plain stupid.
thus, i WILL sucker them into a fight. so far, none have had the balls to back up their banter with their pugilistic skills. pity. if one ever does, they'd soon be on the business end of an arse whippin (didnt spend 9 years in the army, as an officer and a good amount in infantry,to let some slob get away with disrespecting his superiors). that way, after the arse whipping, they can't go running to the police. oh, i make a COMPLETE spectacle of it so the witnesses will all say mr. bigot threw the first punch.
i never DOUBTED that the guy who banged on your door (based on your story) is a fool. so what? he's a fool that happens to be black. you trying to say that you NEVER had ONE SINGLE PROBLEM with a white man? you already proclaimed your love of the asian man, and part of that is, perhaps, you're 'angry' with white men (oh, i read these posts). so, since you may be a BIT miffed with white men, are all of THEM lousy, at the bottom of humanity, etc.? just a question....
so, your 'rebuttal' is, at the end of the day, ONE INCIDENT in the lives of ONE WOMAN, who happens to be white, ONE CHILD, who happens to be white and her son and ONE MAN , who happens to be black. NONE of these 'facts' can be interpreted as damning any gender, age or race. GOT IT? GOOD!
i could give less than a DAMN if you believe my stats or not. i'll put the truth out there and if you persist in being a racist, be my guest. i lose nothing in the process. but you can NEVER claim you didnt know.
that means you go from being ignorant (in the sense you didnt know) to just plain stupid.
email, i've just GOT to put up your quote here...it shows your UTTER lack of comprehension.
you belched:
"Hey, were YOU putting something "out there" when the Asians were racist to you? Were you putting something "out there" when you try to provoke a white in to hitting you? Take a look at your own self, gillette. Your hatred is dripping off the screen. You do realise this whole charade is because someone challenged YOUR words about the HIGH white crime rate. You can't back it up, so I won't waste my time with you. I like to watch blacks get all frustrated when someone counters their lies. "
first, where is my hatred? cut and paste, my dear, and then define what 'hatred' is to YOU, and how i exhibited it.
next, yes, SOME asians have been racist to me. if you have ANY comprehension skills, i said several times that this is NOT, in ANY WAY, a damning of all asians. if you can READ posts, you'd see i had one asian girlfriend, in 'negotiations' witih another...i have three VERY good friends (all chinese) who i hang with. i've also said that there are 'good' people in every race, and 'jerks' in every race. so, that part of your quote is useless and without foundation. NEXT.
next, numbnuts, i NEVER said the white crime rate was high? please tell me where, thru cut and paste quotes ONLY, where i said that. i NEGATED your silly azzed statement that the white crime rate was so high because HISPANIC criminals raise the white crime rate. i informed you that such is not the case. yet ANOTHER one of your baseless, groundless , subjective statements you pulled out of the dark reaches of your arse. NEXT.
and, HELL YES, i was putting something out there to get a white guy (or whatever race) that offended my gentlemanly forebearance. i've done the same to black kids and men when i was growing up, well into college. if YOU go OUT OF YOUR WAY to attack me, verbally or otherwise, i find it very convenient to sucker you into attacking me, beating the living daylights out of you, then IMMEDIATELY call the police. with my WITNESSES around, guess who's going to be carted off to jail, and who will be home watching 'law and order'.
FINIS
you belched:
"Hey, were YOU putting something "out there" when the Asians were racist to you? Were you putting something "out there" when you try to provoke a white in to hitting you? Take a look at your own self, gillette. Your hatred is dripping off the screen. You do realise this whole charade is because someone challenged YOUR words about the HIGH white crime rate. You can't back it up, so I won't waste my time with you. I like to watch blacks get all frustrated when someone counters their lies. "
first, where is my hatred? cut and paste, my dear, and then define what 'hatred' is to YOU, and how i exhibited it.
next, yes, SOME asians have been racist to me. if you have ANY comprehension skills, i said several times that this is NOT, in ANY WAY, a damning of all asians. if you can READ posts, you'd see i had one asian girlfriend, in 'negotiations' witih another...i have three VERY good friends (all chinese) who i hang with. i've also said that there are 'good' people in every race, and 'jerks' in every race. so, that part of your quote is useless and without foundation. NEXT.
next, numbnuts, i NEVER said the white crime rate was high? please tell me where, thru cut and paste quotes ONLY, where i said that. i NEGATED your silly azzed statement that the white crime rate was so high because HISPANIC criminals raise the white crime rate. i informed you that such is not the case. yet ANOTHER one of your baseless, groundless , subjective statements you pulled out of the dark reaches of your arse. NEXT.
and, HELL YES, i was putting something out there to get a white guy (or whatever race) that offended my gentlemanly forebearance. i've done the same to black kids and men when i was growing up, well into college. if YOU go OUT OF YOUR WAY to attack me, verbally or otherwise, i find it very convenient to sucker you into attacking me, beating the living daylights out of you, then IMMEDIATELY call the police. with my WITNESSES around, guess who's going to be carted off to jail, and who will be home watching 'law and order'.
FINIS
Daniel Owens, let me enlighten you. You think you're not prejudiced, but sadly... you are. I can't be certain, but I sense a pitiful superiority complex within you and it needs to be changed. Having dated a half-Asian girl means nothing. You shouldn't be judging Asians in such a manner.
You say:
I've never compared myself to a white person. I don't know what you're talking about.
True, but they're depicted in a positive light more often than Asians in western media. Often their depicted as learning the culture but being loveable whilst doing so or that they're so Asianised, they're basically another Asian. I hardly see this in US media.
Ridiculous. Here's your superiority complex showing again. Not every race flocks to America. I for one will not go to the US. Many white people flock to Asian countries and complain of racism too. It's the same on both sides. You're seeing things a in one-dimensional world. I believe that any person going to any country should not be subject to racial discrimination, no matter what race he/she is.
Have you been living under a rock? A lot of White people are moving to Asian countries these days. I have many White friends who love Asia and know a lot about these countries, sometimes more than me. I know at least a dozen white people who are studying Mandarin because they're eager to go China, since it's a rising superpower. The West is obsessed with Asia at the moment. Asian characters, Asian tattoos, Asian animation, Asian cuisine... everything Asian is in huge demand. It is a sign of being cultured.
I just can't begin to state how grossly inaccurate that is.
Rubbish. As far as I remember, we've been constantly taught about the success of the industrial revolution of the west, whilst neglecting the significance of Asia's contributions to the world. Many Asians including myself, give due respect to geniuses like Einstein, Thomas Edison and Newton. They are far from being hated. On the other hand, what have you learnt about Asia? Don't forget that half of the things you use every day was probably invented by the Chinese. In fact, let's describe your day.
You wake up in the good old US of A, discovered by the Chinese. (Yes, Zheng He discovered it 400 years before Colombus). You then brush your teeth (a practise invented by the Chinese) with a toothbrush (invented by Chinese). You then have breakfast on a porcelain plate (invented by the Chinese) and have some English tea with your breakfast (despite the name "English tea", it originated from China). You catch a train to work or school on rails built by many Asian Americans. At work or school, you write on paper invented by the Chinese with a pen which originated from the Chinese too. You then feel peckish and have an apple that was grown utilising Chinese agricultural methods. (A lot of today's agricultural methods was developed by the Chinese). You get online on an Asian made computer and go on "Yahoo!" which was co-founded by an Asian and find Goldsea also founded by Asians. You then type lots of ignorant ramblings and to back yourself up, you check out a racist site that talks about White history, even though the Chinese recorded their history on paper first. Afterwards, you go to an Italian restaurant only to eat spaghetti which was invented by the Chinese. For dessert, you feel like some ice cream (invented first by the Chinese). You don't realise all these Asian influences until you turn on your Japanese or Korean television and so you go to sleep. You put on your Made In China pyjamas and prepare for another Asian day tomorrow.
I'm not trying to say any race is superior to another, but you have to admit, Asia has influenced the West just as much as the West has influenced Asia.
What do your points prove? They've proven nothing. Most of what you've typed is merely opinion or sweeping statements that are ridiculously ignorant and inaccurate. That is why "proving" those "points" is racist since most of what you've typed is not based on fact and is blatantly wrong. I pity anyone who believes half the rubbish you've typed. If what you typed was credible, profound and true, no one would call it racist. Unfortunately... it's very racist. There's no room in your heart for prejudice? I find that hard to believe. You've done nothing but try to "prove" your imagined "superiority" and you've failed miserably too. I hope I've shown you that no race is superior. In the past, the West looked towards the East for technology, innovation and the latest inventions. It then shifted the other way around during the industrial revolution and modern history. Now it is shifting back toward the East again (think of the incredible innovation Japanese and Korean technology is showing). History repeats itself. Learn to live with it. Asians immigrating to the West will not be eventual. In the future, it may turn out that White people will start immigrating to Asia for future prospects and then your grandkids will be on a website called "Whitesea" complaining about how Asians control the world.
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| You have asian pride but always compare yourself to me the WHITe MANI find it very strange. |
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| Why is it whites never move to africa or china? But of both each would die to come to white(the man,theboss,the crackerss)country? |
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| Why is it whites are hated for there human success in technology,power and force? |
You wake up in the good old US of A, discovered by the Chinese. (Yes, Zheng He discovered it 400 years before Colombus). You then brush your teeth (a practise invented by the Chinese) with a toothbrush (invented by Chinese). You then have breakfast on a porcelain plate (invented by the Chinese) and have some English tea with your breakfast (despite the name "English tea", it originated from China). You catch a train to work or school on rails built by many Asian Americans. At work or school, you write on paper invented by the Chinese with a pen which originated from the Chinese too. You then feel peckish and have an apple that was grown utilising Chinese agricultural methods. (A lot of today's agricultural methods was developed by the Chinese). You get online on an Asian made computer and go on "Yahoo!" which was co-founded by an Asian and find Goldsea also founded by Asians. You then type lots of ignorant ramblings and to back yourself up, you check out a racist site that talks about White history, even though the Chinese recorded their history on paper first. Afterwards, you go to an Italian restaurant only to eat spaghetti which was invented by the Chinese. For dessert, you feel like some ice cream (invented first by the Chinese). You don't realise all these Asian influences until you turn on your Japanese or Korean television and so you go to sleep. You put on your Made In China pyjamas and prepare for another Asian day tomorrow.
I'm not trying to say any race is superior to another, but you have to admit, Asia has influenced the West just as much as the West has influenced Asia.
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| Why do people think this is racist to prove out these points? |
What do your points prove? They've proven nothing. Most of what you've typed is merely opinion or sweeping statements that are ridiculously ignorant and inaccurate. That is why "proving" those "points" is racist since most of what you've typed is not based on fact and is blatantly wrong. I pity anyone who believes half the rubbish you've typed. If what you typed was credible, profound and true, no one would call it racist. Unfortunately... it's very racist. There's no room in your heart for prejudice? I find that hard to believe. You've done nothing but try to "prove" your imagined "superiority" and you've failed miserably too. I hope I've shown you that no race is superior. In the past, the West looked towards the East for technology, innovation and the latest inventions. It then shifted the other way around during the industrial revolution and modern history. Now it is shifting back toward the East again (think of the incredible innovation Japanese and Korean technology is showing). History repeats itself. Learn to live with it. Asians immigrating to the West will not be eventual. In the future, it may turn out that White people will start immigrating to Asia for future prospects and then your grandkids will be on a website called "Whitesea" complaining about how Asians control the world.
icedtea, i'd add to your responses to daniel that he is indeed a racist, and he KNOWS he is.
whites DO go to africa in relatively large numbers as well. its just that many have been kicked out as soon as colonialism was ended. kenya, south african and mozambique have sizable white populations. why did whites go? for land and minerals, of course. the reason MORE don't go is because A) they're not wanted or
white people, who have fewer genetic strains than black folks, simply are more prone to sickness, and the temperature/humidity in most of subsaharan africa isnt comfortable to white.
also, the chinese grand fleet that you alluded to DID arrive before columbus to the new world. its just that they did it before columbus (1492) and the vikings (around 1000AD). they were here around 500AD, and sailed all up and down the west coast of what is today the united states and mexico. even landed. there are genetic strains of more recent asian influence amongst the native americans there than elsewhere in the new world.
and THEY were beaten here by western africans from the great Mali Empire. though white archeologists don't speak too loudly about it, they've admitted since the 1970s and 1980s that subsaharan africans (read that as BLACK people) were trading with the native americans as early as 600 - 800 BC , or at least as early as 2600-2800 years ago. that's right, daniel...carbon dating of the olmec (thats in mexico, on the east coast) 'black heads' confirmed that YEARS ago. read 'they came before columbus' by ivan van sertima. there are four giant 'black heads' made of basal that weigh about 12 tons each, about 12 feet high. the basalt was drug from a quarry three miles away. they built these heads (that have CLEARLY western african lips, noses, hair and head dress) to honor the 'gods of trade' and 'men of the east'. at first, when the carbon dating was done, they also found tiny necklaces that had phoenecian heads and white archeologist tried to say that the phoenecians were the real traders, and that the blacks were the servants or mercenary soldiers. however, that was disproven when they considered the fact that NOBODY would build huge 12 ton heads for servants and small, necklace sized heads of leaders.
it was also disproven when there was evidence that around and before 800 bc, there was evidence that sub saharan africans were trading with the people of cornwall (england) on a REGULAR basis. its presumed that at first traders who were trading with the people of england got blown off course and hit a 'stream' in the ocean that carried them to mexico. afterwards, when they knew and understood the current, they purposely traded with the native americans. this was stopped when the stream moved further south and the slave trade began in earnerst.
COLUMBUS, in fact, probably knew by his second trip that he DIDNT, in fact, arrive in asia but that he hit another land. why? after his first trip, when he had small gold trinkets he found in the new world (columbus NEVER hit the mainland, in fact never hit the u.s...instead, he hit the island the spanish called 'hispanola' , or new spain, now called haiti and dominican republic) that he took back to spain. his brother, bartholemew, had sailed the african coast and told him that the composition of gold (a specific mix of gold, copper and something else) was called 'guinea gold' and ONLY found on the west coast of africa. he told columbus that, in fact, africans had been to this area and there may be more gold. THAT why columbus wanted more expeditions, to find more gold, more guinea gold.
so, when racists talk smack about blacks being nothing, and when they try to negate asian accomplishments, they need to check history. carbon dating and records show that africans beat whites to the new world by 200 years, and asians beat them here by at least 500 years.
whites DO go to africa in relatively large numbers as well. its just that many have been kicked out as soon as colonialism was ended. kenya, south african and mozambique have sizable white populations. why did whites go? for land and minerals, of course. the reason MORE don't go is because A) they're not wanted or
white people, who have fewer genetic strains than black folks, simply are more prone to sickness, and the temperature/humidity in most of subsaharan africa isnt comfortable to white.also, the chinese grand fleet that you alluded to DID arrive before columbus to the new world. its just that they did it before columbus (1492) and the vikings (around 1000AD). they were here around 500AD, and sailed all up and down the west coast of what is today the united states and mexico. even landed. there are genetic strains of more recent asian influence amongst the native americans there than elsewhere in the new world.
and THEY were beaten here by western africans from the great Mali Empire. though white archeologists don't speak too loudly about it, they've admitted since the 1970s and 1980s that subsaharan africans (read that as BLACK people) were trading with the native americans as early as 600 - 800 BC , or at least as early as 2600-2800 years ago. that's right, daniel...carbon dating of the olmec (thats in mexico, on the east coast) 'black heads' confirmed that YEARS ago. read 'they came before columbus' by ivan van sertima. there are four giant 'black heads' made of basal that weigh about 12 tons each, about 12 feet high. the basalt was drug from a quarry three miles away. they built these heads (that have CLEARLY western african lips, noses, hair and head dress) to honor the 'gods of trade' and 'men of the east'. at first, when the carbon dating was done, they also found tiny necklaces that had phoenecian heads and white archeologist tried to say that the phoenecians were the real traders, and that the blacks were the servants or mercenary soldiers. however, that was disproven when they considered the fact that NOBODY would build huge 12 ton heads for servants and small, necklace sized heads of leaders.
it was also disproven when there was evidence that around and before 800 bc, there was evidence that sub saharan africans were trading with the people of cornwall (england) on a REGULAR basis. its presumed that at first traders who were trading with the people of england got blown off course and hit a 'stream' in the ocean that carried them to mexico. afterwards, when they knew and understood the current, they purposely traded with the native americans. this was stopped when the stream moved further south and the slave trade began in earnerst.
COLUMBUS, in fact, probably knew by his second trip that he DIDNT, in fact, arrive in asia but that he hit another land. why? after his first trip, when he had small gold trinkets he found in the new world (columbus NEVER hit the mainland, in fact never hit the u.s...instead, he hit the island the spanish called 'hispanola' , or new spain, now called haiti and dominican republic) that he took back to spain. his brother, bartholemew, had sailed the african coast and told him that the composition of gold (a specific mix of gold, copper and something else) was called 'guinea gold' and ONLY found on the west coast of africa. he told columbus that, in fact, africans had been to this area and there may be more gold. THAT why columbus wanted more expeditions, to find more gold, more guinea gold.
so, when racists talk smack about blacks being nothing, and when they try to negate asian accomplishments, they need to check history. carbon dating and records show that africans beat whites to the new world by 200 years, and asians beat them here by at least 500 years.
icedtea, i'd add to your responses to daniel that he is indeed a racist, and he KNOWS he is.
whites DO go to africa in relatively large numbers as well. its just that many have been kicked out as soon as colonialism was ended. kenya, south african and mozambique have sizable white populations. why did whites go? for land and minerals, of course. the reason MORE don't go is because A) they're not wanted or white people, who have fewer genetic strains than black folks, simply are more prone to sickness, and the temperature/humidity in most of subsaharan africa isnt comfortable to white.
also, the chinese grand fleet that you alluded to DID arrive before columbus to the new world. its just that they did it before columbus (1492) and the vikings (around 1000AD). they were here around 500AD, and sailed all up and down the west coast of what is today the united states and mexico. even landed. there are genetic strains of more recent asian influence amongst the native americans there than elsewhere in the new world.
and THEY were beaten here by western africans from the great Mali Empire. though white archeologists don't speak too loudly about it, they've admitted since the 1970s and 1980s that subsaharan africans (read that as BLACK people) were trading with the native americans as early as 600 - 800 BC , or at least as early as 2600-2800 years ago. that's right, daniel...carbon dating of the olmec (thats in mexico, on the east coast) 'black heads' confirmed that YEARS ago. read 'they came before columbus' by ivan van sertima. there are four giant 'black heads' made of basal that weigh about 12 tons each, about 12 feet high. the basalt was drug from a quarry three miles away. they built these heads (that have CLEARLY western african lips, noses, hair and head dress) to honor the 'gods of trade' and 'men of the east'. at first, when the carbon dating was done, they also found tiny necklaces that had phoenecian heads and white archeologist tried to say that the phoenecians were the real traders, and that the blacks were the servants or mercenary soldiers. however, that was disproven when they considered the fact that NOBODY would build huge 12 ton heads for servants and small, necklace sized heads of leaders.
it was also disproven when there was evidence that around and before 800 bc, there was evidence that sub saharan africans were trading with the people of cornwall (england) on a REGULAR basis. its presumed that at first traders who were trading with the people of england got blown off course and hit a 'stream' in the ocean that carried them to mexico. afterwards, when they knew and understood the current, they purposely traded with the native americans. this was stopped when the stream moved further south and the slave trade began in earnerst.
COLUMBUS, in fact, probably knew by his second trip that he DIDNT, in fact, arrive in asia but that he hit another land. why? after his first trip, when he had small gold trinkets he found in the new world (columbus NEVER hit the mainland, in fact never hit the u.s...instead, he hit the island the spanish called 'hispanola' , or new spain, now called haiti and dominican republic) that he took back to spain. his brother, bartholemew, had sailed the african coast and told him that the composition of gold (a specific mix of gold, copper and something else) was called 'guinea gold' and ONLY found on the west coast of africa. he told columbus that, in fact, africans had been to this area and there may be more gold. THAT why columbus wanted more expeditions, to find more gold, more guinea gold.
whites DO go to africa in relatively large numbers as well. its just that many have been kicked out as soon as colonialism was ended. kenya, south african and mozambique have sizable white populations. why did whites go? for land and minerals, of course. the reason MORE don't go is because A) they're not wanted or
white people, who have fewer genetic strains than black folks, simply are more prone to sickness, and the temperature/humidity in most of subsaharan africa isnt comfortable to white.also, the chinese grand fleet that you alluded to DID arrive before columbus to the new world. its just that they did it before columbus (1492) and the vikings (around 1000AD). they were here around 500AD, and sailed all up and down the west coast of what is today the united states and mexico. even landed. there are genetic strains of more recent asian influence amongst the native americans there than elsewhere in the new world.
and THEY were beaten here by western africans from the great Mali Empire. though white archeologists don't speak too loudly about it, they've admitted since the 1970s and 1980s that subsaharan africans (read that as BLACK people) were trading with the native americans as early as 600 - 800 BC , or at least as early as 2600-2800 years ago. that's right, daniel...carbon dating of the olmec (thats in mexico, on the east coast) 'black heads' confirmed that YEARS ago. read 'they came before columbus' by ivan van sertima. there are four giant 'black heads' made of basal that weigh about 12 tons each, about 12 feet high. the basalt was drug from a quarry three miles away. they built these heads (that have CLEARLY western african lips, noses, hair and head dress) to honor the 'gods of trade' and 'men of the east'. at first, when the carbon dating was done, they also found tiny necklaces that had phoenecian heads and white archeologist tried to say that the phoenecians were the real traders, and that the blacks were the servants or mercenary soldiers. however, that was disproven when they considered the fact that NOBODY would build huge 12 ton heads for servants and small, necklace sized heads of leaders.
it was also disproven when there was evidence that around and before 800 bc, there was evidence that sub saharan africans were trading with the people of cornwall (england) on a REGULAR basis. its presumed that at first traders who were trading with the people of england got blown off course and hit a 'stream' in the ocean that carried them to mexico. afterwards, when they knew and understood the current, they purposely traded with the native americans. this was stopped when the stream moved further south and the slave trade began in earnerst.
COLUMBUS, in fact, probably knew by his second trip that he DIDNT, in fact, arrive in asia but that he hit another land. why? after his first trip, when he had small gold trinkets he found in the new world (columbus NEVER hit the mainland, in fact never hit the u.s...instead, he hit the island the spanish called 'hispanola' , or new spain, now called haiti and dominican republic) that he took back to spain. his brother, bartholemew, had sailed the african coast and told him that the composition of gold (a specific mix of gold, copper and something else) was called 'guinea gold' and ONLY found on the west coast of africa. he told columbus that, in fact, africans had been to this area and there may be more gold. THAT why columbus wanted more expeditions, to find more gold, more guinea gold.
so....so, when racists talk smack about blacks being nothing, and when they try to negate asian accomplishments, they need to check history. carbon dating and records show that africans beat whites to the new world by 2000 years, and asians beat them here by at least 500 years.
I have read some articles about Olmecs and ties to West Africa but I found this rebuttal:
http://www.angelfire.com/zine/meso/meso/olmec.html
"A look at the Native Americans who presently live in the Gulf Coast
area, in fact, reveals striking similarities between these peoples and
the Olmec Heads. There is no reason to believe, from a physiological
standpoint, that the Olmec Heads were not created by these people's
ancestors.
Taking a closer look at these peoples, it is obvious that proponents of
African origin theories have also ignored that the naturalistic Olmec
sculptures show other features that do not exist at all in black African
physiology, but that are common to Native Americans (who trace their
ancestry back to Asians). Most notably, the sculptures have epicanthic
("asian") folds over the eyes, and those that are not shaven have very
straight hair."
Do you have links to archeologists and anthropologists discussiong African influence on the Olmecs..?
In regards to Zheng He, his fleet sailed in the early 15th century not 500 years before Columbus (albeit almost a century before Columbus..) and even though there is a book proposing that he made it to the New World, there are people who disagree with this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He
There is no doubt he was a prolific explorer:
http://www.chinapage.org/zhenghe.html
Yes Columbus, who was a highly problematic person, never made it to the US.
This article stated that the heads were of rulers although they do bring up the possibility of African influence:
http://www.crystalinks.com/olmec.html
Other thoughts:
http://www.mesoweb.com/olmec/index.html
Have any of the native peoples of the area been found to carry sub-saharan African genes..?
I am open to the idea of African influence on the Olmec culture but I would like to learn more.
Then there are the theories of Chinese influence on the Olmecs and Aztecs:
"For years, scholars have waged a passionate--and often nasty--debate over whether Asian refugees and adventurers might somehow have made their way to the New World long before Columbus, stimulating brilliant achievements in cosmogony, art, astronomy and architecture in a succession of cultures from the Olmec to the Maya and Aztec. On one side are the "diffusionists," who have compiled a long list of links between Asian and Mesoamerican cultures, including similar rules for the Aztec board game of patolli and the Asian pachisi (also known as Parcheesi), a theological focus in ancient China and Mesoamerica on tiger-jaguar and dragonlike creatures, and a custom, common both to China's Shang dynasty and the Olmecs, of putting a jade bead in the mouth of a deceased person. "
and
http://www.chinese.tcu.edu/www_chinese3_tcu_edu.htm
This article indicates humans may have come to the new world 50,000 years ago:
http://www.sc.edu/usctimes/articles/2004-1..._discovery.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/17....dig/index.html
Also:
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news136.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/zine/meso/meso/olmec.html
"A look at the Native Americans who presently live in the Gulf Coast
area, in fact, reveals striking similarities between these peoples and
the Olmec Heads. There is no reason to believe, from a physiological
standpoint, that the Olmec Heads were not created by these people's
ancestors.
Taking a closer look at these peoples, it is obvious that proponents of
African origin theories have also ignored that the naturalistic Olmec
sculptures show other features that do not exist at all in black African
physiology, but that are common to Native Americans (who trace their
ancestry back to Asians). Most notably, the sculptures have epicanthic
("asian") folds over the eyes, and those that are not shaven have very
straight hair."
Do you have links to archeologists and anthropologists discussiong African influence on the Olmecs..?
In regards to Zheng He, his fleet sailed in the early 15th century not 500 years before Columbus (albeit almost a century before Columbus..) and even though there is a book proposing that he made it to the New World, there are people who disagree with this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He
There is no doubt he was a prolific explorer:
http://www.chinapage.org/zhenghe.html
Yes Columbus, who was a highly problematic person, never made it to the US.
This article stated that the heads were of rulers although they do bring up the possibility of African influence:
http://www.crystalinks.com/olmec.html
Other thoughts:
http://www.mesoweb.com/olmec/index.html
Have any of the native peoples of the area been found to carry sub-saharan African genes..?
I am open to the idea of African influence on the Olmec culture but I would like to learn more.
Then there are the theories of Chinese influence on the Olmecs and Aztecs:
"For years, scholars have waged a passionate--and often nasty--debate over whether Asian refugees and adventurers might somehow have made their way to the New World long before Columbus, stimulating brilliant achievements in cosmogony, art, astronomy and architecture in a succession of cultures from the Olmec to the Maya and Aztec. On one side are the "diffusionists," who have compiled a long list of links between Asian and Mesoamerican cultures, including similar rules for the Aztec board game of patolli and the Asian pachisi (also known as Parcheesi), a theological focus in ancient China and Mesoamerica on tiger-jaguar and dragonlike creatures, and a custom, common both to China's Shang dynasty and the Olmecs, of putting a jade bead in the mouth of a deceased person. "
and
http://www.chinese.tcu.edu/www_chinese3_tcu_edu.htm
This article indicates humans may have come to the new world 50,000 years ago:
http://www.sc.edu/usctimes/articles/2004-1..._discovery.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/17....dig/index.html
Also:
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news136.htm
manwhowalks, i'll find some articles / webpages attesting to the subsaharan influence on the olmec people. again, the first stop is 'they came before columbus', by ivan van sertima. its pretty much acknowledged in archeological circles, however, that there was a TRADING relationship between the western africans (most likely mali) and the olmecs.
thanks for debating/bringing up points in a rationale fashion.
thanks for debating/bringing up points in a rationale fashion.
manwhowalks, here are some articles that either support or at least try to logically debate, the african influence on mesoamerica (the olmecs)
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Skeletal.htm showing skeletal remains in mexico of africans, and how some archeologists STILL don't want to believe it
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...715234?v=glance a book that (through the reviews) shows the RACIST attitudes of many who just HAVE to deny ANY good coming out of africa
http://members.aol.com/carltred/AfricanPresence.htm
http://www.carnaval.com/columbus/olmecs.htm
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalvi...ws/04022002.htm
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Olmec , which takes the middle road between the olmec heads being african, and not. interesting that it talks of the bush men of southern africa, since they are not 'negro', but 'negrito', (outdated terms that meant from africa). these 'negrito' or 'afro asiatic' people are similar to many found in asia (from india to vietnam to the polynesian people of the south pacific islands to the most obvious areas of australia and new guinea). these were some of the last places people from africa immigrated to when leaving africa, since they either had to go by boat (to asia) or cross a LOT of land to get from northern africa to southern africa. thus, even with THIS arguement, the people of mesoamerica STILL have an african link.
i say all this to say that africans/blacks didnt 'do everything first' or 'invented everything'. that would be folly and absurd. its just to show that africans / black people DID influence the world by virtue of : being the first modern humans on earth; being the first to have advanced civilizatons. by 'seniority' alone, africans were able to do this. only racism (fueled by economics) has negated the achiements of africans.
to a lesser extent, it erased the achievements of asians. the chinese royal fleet was even mentioned on a 'history channel' program. there is documentation and genetic proof that asians were in what is now called the u.s. and mexico before even the vikings. i'll look for THAT information next.
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Skeletal.htm showing skeletal remains in mexico of africans, and how some archeologists STILL don't want to believe it
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...715234?v=glance a book that (through the reviews) shows the RACIST attitudes of many who just HAVE to deny ANY good coming out of africa
http://members.aol.com/carltred/AfricanPresence.htm
http://www.carnaval.com/columbus/olmecs.htm
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalvi...ws/04022002.htm
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Olmec , which takes the middle road between the olmec heads being african, and not. interesting that it talks of the bush men of southern africa, since they are not 'negro', but 'negrito', (outdated terms that meant from africa). these 'negrito' or 'afro asiatic' people are similar to many found in asia (from india to vietnam to the polynesian people of the south pacific islands to the most obvious areas of australia and new guinea). these were some of the last places people from africa immigrated to when leaving africa, since they either had to go by boat (to asia) or cross a LOT of land to get from northern africa to southern africa. thus, even with THIS arguement, the people of mesoamerica STILL have an african link.
i say all this to say that africans/blacks didnt 'do everything first' or 'invented everything'. that would be folly and absurd. its just to show that africans / black people DID influence the world by virtue of : being the first modern humans on earth; being the first to have advanced civilizatons. by 'seniority' alone, africans were able to do this. only racism (fueled by economics) has negated the achiements of africans.
to a lesser extent, it erased the achievements of asians. the chinese royal fleet was even mentioned on a 'history channel' program. there is documentation and genetic proof that asians were in what is now called the u.s. and mexico before even the vikings. i'll look for THAT information next.
manwhowalks,
in reference to that article you mentioned about how humans got to the new world about 50,000 years ago, its interesting to note that part of that debate (i didnt read that PARTICULAR article, but i've read plenty last year and earlier this year, when they were first postulated to non-archeological types like us), tried to imply that the first people here didnt come through beringea (the ice/land mass that was present about 12-20000 years ago during the last great ice age) , called the 'clovis people' from asia (thus negating the OBVIOUS asian influence on the native americans), but from europe.
most who argue this, however, admit that they don't know if the people who came before the 'clovis people' came from europe or africa. and they also don't know if they came by design or by accident.
as i mentioned in an earlier post, there WAS a 'stream' in the atlantic that ran between the western most point of africa and mexico. that is how the people of the mali and/ or shonghai (africans) managed to get to the new world in a manner of days (about 14) as opposed to months (like earlier europeans, sailing a more northerly route) could do. so, even if one is to buy into this theory of people being in the new world before the clovis people, its more and more doubtful they came from europe.
archeologists who have come up with this theory have admitted that it will be at least another 5 to 10 years before anything can be determined, one way or the other.
in reference to that article you mentioned about how humans got to the new world about 50,000 years ago, its interesting to note that part of that debate (i didnt read that PARTICULAR article, but i've read plenty last year and earlier this year, when they were first postulated to non-archeological types like us), tried to imply that the first people here didnt come through beringea (the ice/land mass that was present about 12-20000 years ago during the last great ice age) , called the 'clovis people' from asia (thus negating the OBVIOUS asian influence on the native americans), but from europe.
most who argue this, however, admit that they don't know if the people who came before the 'clovis people' came from europe or africa. and they also don't know if they came by design or by accident.
as i mentioned in an earlier post, there WAS a 'stream' in the atlantic that ran between the western most point of africa and mexico. that is how the people of the mali and/ or shonghai (africans) managed to get to the new world in a manner of days (about 14) as opposed to months (like earlier europeans, sailing a more northerly route) could do. so, even if one is to buy into this theory of people being in the new world before the clovis people, its more and more doubtful they came from europe.
archeologists who have come up with this theory have admitted that it will be at least another 5 to 10 years before anything can be determined, one way or the other.
another link that discusses african and asian influence in the new world pre-columbus:
http://www.bjmjr.com/afromestizo/introduction.htm
it mainly focuses on the african influence, and how it HAD to be a part of the pre-columbian world, since the climate of central america is so similar to that of the rain forest's of western africa. go directly to 'pre-columbian history' for this account.
http://www.bjmjr.com/afromestizo/introduction.htm
it mainly focuses on the african influence, and how it HAD to be a part of the pre-columbian world, since the climate of central america is so similar to that of the rain forest's of western africa. go directly to 'pre-columbian history' for this account.
I think racism and prejudice runs in all races and cultures.
Have you seen white on white racism? try the English toward the Irish!
or how about northern europeans toward southern europeans.!!
And yes, there's racism of asian toward asians: I would figure japanese toward other asians.
black americans toward haitian and other african and caribbean blacks.
Hindus toward Pakistanis and vice-versa. And arabs toward jews and vice-versa.
So we just unjustly,because of a more pronounced historical stereotype,tend to blame only the white race as the racist ones. We can't hardly imagine that racism and prejudice is an inherent human trait regardless of race.
probably we should educate ourselves, and the next time we loo up to somebody with disdain,we can think that we are all racists by nature.
Have you seen white on white racism? try the English toward the Irish!
or how about northern europeans toward southern europeans.!!
And yes, there's racism of asian toward asians: I would figure japanese toward other asians.
black americans toward haitian and other african and caribbean blacks.
Hindus toward Pakistanis and vice-versa. And arabs toward jews and vice-versa.
So we just unjustly,because of a more pronounced historical stereotype,tend to blame only the white race as the racist ones. We can't hardly imagine that racism and prejudice is an inherent human trait regardless of race.
probably we should educate ourselves, and the next time we loo up to somebody with disdain,we can think that we are all racists by nature.
andre...true indeed!
A white person's opinion on racial matters tends to be valued more highly than that of a colored person. In the case of a person of color, the reaction will often be "you're playing the race card" or "minorities are just too sensitive about race".
danielowens i'm sorry ot hear about your unfortunate incidence
however, i've gotta note that unless you are an asian american, you really cannot even COME CLOSE to emphathizing with the asian experience in america. It's different from all other cultural experiences - black, hispanic, etc. It is so complicated that I cannot even put it into words. There are so many complex workings happening on many levels of american institutions (governmental, educational) and media power, it just cannot be put into words. All the implicit and indirect mental, psychological, social, identity abuses. All the brainwashing to put down the asian race and identity. These are FAR more significant aspects of racism and abusive power than the more obvious explicit happenings such as physical beatings and such. Sir, as much as I can understand where you are coming from, you CANNOT come close to emphathizing with our experience.
Where America's mindset is absolutely TWISTED, is that America holds power, and with power comes a tremendous amount of responsibility. If one is not ready to take on the responsibilities of big power, one should not take the power in the first place, much less by force driven from greed for property and resources. Just something to consider... going all the way back to the colonialism of this continent, the slaughtering of tens of thousands of native americans, all the wars, the current war in iraq, heck war everywhere, not to mention the corporate and political wars... heck no wonder this nation is deemed as the axis of evil. And yet we play it off as if we are a warm-hearted, humane, and caring nation, and of course the immoral, ignorant caucasian american majority could not ask for a more ideal identity.
Do NOT get me wrong though, I understand I might have come off as a bit harsh, but I just needed to make a few points. I know PLENTY of Americans who are humane, caring, warm-hearted, moral, intelligent, wise, etc. The problem is that when compared to the rest of the population, they are only a minority. And again, this situation of demographics is a consequence of the workings of those up there, those with power in the corporate, governmental, and media level.
however, i've gotta note that unless you are an asian american, you really cannot even COME CLOSE to emphathizing with the asian experience in america. It's different from all other cultural experiences - black, hispanic, etc. It is so complicated that I cannot even put it into words. There are so many complex workings happening on many levels of american institutions (governmental, educational) and media power, it just cannot be put into words. All the implicit and indirect mental, psychological, social, identity abuses. All the brainwashing to put down the asian race and identity. These are FAR more significant aspects of racism and abusive power than the more obvious explicit happenings such as physical beatings and such. Sir, as much as I can understand where you are coming from, you CANNOT come close to emphathizing with our experience.
Where America's mindset is absolutely TWISTED, is that America holds power, and with power comes a tremendous amount of responsibility. If one is not ready to take on the responsibilities of big power, one should not take the power in the first place, much less by force driven from greed for property and resources. Just something to consider... going all the way back to the colonialism of this continent, the slaughtering of tens of thousands of native americans, all the wars, the current war in iraq, heck war everywhere, not to mention the corporate and political wars... heck no wonder this nation is deemed as the axis of evil. And yet we play it off as if we are a warm-hearted, humane, and caring nation, and of course the immoral, ignorant caucasian american majority could not ask for a more ideal identity.
Do NOT get me wrong though, I understand I might have come off as a bit harsh, but I just needed to make a few points. I know PLENTY of Americans who are humane, caring, warm-hearted, moral, intelligent, wise, etc. The problem is that when compared to the rest of the population, they are only a minority. And again, this situation of demographics is a consequence of the workings of those up there, those with power in the corporate, governmental, and media level.
To add my 2-cents to this thread, I have to ask a rhetorical question "where do we go from here?" No doubt these heated exchanges will happen again but what I think should be appreciated is the exchange of ideas from different sides. This may sound obvious after-the-fact but it is something that should not go unnoticed each & every time if we can help it. I hope that we continue to understand one another better and improve the conditions of our co-existence. At the same I'm reminded that we live in a world where forces from the past and things beyond our control in the very present will make it difficult.
Last thought for now is, each one of us in my humble opinion should play a part to leave the world in a better state than what we were handed. I know there are many good people working hard at this and the more folks that help the better.
Last thought for now is, each one of us in my humble opinion should play a part to leave the world in a better state than what we were handed. I know there are many good people working hard at this and the more folks that help the better.
danielowen is either a troll or a very naive and uneducated young man.
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