Is it my imagination or did the writers on the show Friends make the girls date white guys exclusively whilst the men got free range on women of all colors? Just wondering if the writers did that intentionally to put that into the minds of White Females and Females of all ethnicities that the only guys they should consider romantically are White....

not your imagination. true.

the writers of friends are predominately white male or females that have been brainwashed into believing that only white guys are worth dating.

we live in a society where only white guys are considered the pinacle of the dating scene, the trophy boyfriends/husbands if you will.

I personally find that very offensive.

especially when asian girls fall for that myth...

not your imagination one bit.

most of the writers are not only white, but male and jewish. they see things from THEIR point of view, not others.

i mentioned a couple of months ago (in one of these channels) about how i had JUST seen an episode of 'friends' that had them at a wedding table with all white folks, except for a pretty asian woman who was there with an UGLY, stringy haired and balding white guy. why couldnt they have just had an asian man with her?

and ross got to date a black woman and an asian woman on the show. joey dated that same black woman. i believe that chandler was kicking it with a latina in one of the earlier episodes.

don't get me wrong...i liked the show. it was funny, and they often treated each other badly. but they simply didnt have ONE of the three women on the show date a black, asian or OBVIOUSLY latino (as in mestizo - indian descent mexican) man. its not the oppression of white women as much as it is white men, when faced with putting 'minorities' in a show or movie, are just more comfortable seeing a minority women with a white man. its probably subconscious.

note: many jewish women feel that shows like 'friends', written primarily by jewish men, often disparage jewish women in favor of gentile women. lets be honest....most of the jewish women on the show (save for the stars) were high pitched, clingly women that may have been physically attractive, but annoying or (as in ross' first wife's case) lesbians. outside of the female jewish stars, however, the men primarily went for gentile women. its the same on other shows.

something to think about.

Well, I don't disagree completely with you guys. But,if you watch other shows,where jewish writers(which are in the majority of tv shows anyway!) Many white girls date blacks,latinos and asians.. Just flip the channels,and you could watch a lot of interracial dating to your hearts content!

andre,

i'd just say that there are still VERY FEW shows that have a white female (much less an 'attractive female') dating a black man, an OBVIOUS hispanic man (meaning he's 'mestizo looking' and clearly comes from a latin background) and damned near NONE dating an asian man.

in fact, i just saw a commercial for 'old navy' that FINALLY showed an asian man with a white woman. it was a funny commercial, but i can't think of ANY commercial that's done this before. old navy is one of the few companies that appeals to young, 'hip', people and thus often shows interracial pairings of all kinds. target also does this.

but t.v. shows? you'd be hard pressed. as late as the mid 90s (when carlista flockheart had that show about being a lawyer in boston...forgot the name), an attractive white woman, professional dating an attractive , professional black man was STILL cause for much talk.

if its with a latino male, he's most often 'whitened up', such as 'saved by the bell', where he has an anglo name in the show; or freddie prinze, jr, who is often cast as white.

again, i don't think its necessarily a conscious rascist thing...its just that as white men are the primary producers, directors, casting and all other decision makers, they simply see things from THEIR perspective. the real racism comes in minorities not GETTING those jobs in the first place.

Hi gillette,I'm fairly new here.I like the way you tell it like it is.I'm afr. amer. also.Don't wast your time too much on Andre.I don't think he claims to be who he says he is.I think in one post he's korean-in another one he's latino.His pattern is the same,pretend there's almost no inequity in america.Check out his other post,'horny asian females'was one he had the most ridicolous comments on , about how loose his daughters are.

nelson, i remember that comment on the daughter coming onto the father. hope that WASN'T true. that's a freudian nightmare if ever there was one.

andre doesn't offend me, though.

there are others out here who are truly delusional and dangerous. just like on 'blackplanet' you get not only racists, but cretinous minorities.

most folks here, though, are cool, and i haven't had a problem with them. welcome to the boards.

Thanks!

The answer is yes of course. Forget Friends and other TV shows. I witness it first hand myself at all the times. Just try to chat up a good looking WF out with a group of guys in any pub or club and see what happens. Believe me as soon as you are getting somewhere you find their racist brother or a jealous male friend will step in and drag the girl away. If that is not being oppressed then I don't know what is.

Well, Condor,
I don't know what your actual situation is,but by what you describe about approaching WF is not going to be easy!

Your chances of scoring with any female(not necessarily WF,AF,Or other)is to get them while they're available. If they're already with some male company that means they might be dating or trying to date. No guy will allow his female company be approached by another guy. So maybe you would like to elaborate with more details of your scoring with girls techniques.
I fail many times to score even with females that look alone,but at other times I get lucky. I recently scored with a sexy redhead,who didn't seem to like dark skinned latins.( I am a dark skinned latin). I have had a fair number of scores with AF,WF,BF,and of course latinas. Eventhough not all of them are model figures,but they have pretty faces and nice personalities. I enjoyed the sex part more with AFs(korean and chinese). So keep trying man.

Fortune, you made some valid points but my post above wasn't clear. What I meant was in a group of girls and guys and there'll be say one or two girls in the group that are UNATTACHED. All the guys ARE attached. Approach the unattached girl and talk to her. No matter how keen she is eventually one of the guy in the group will take it upon themselves to come over and break up the whole thing. It doesn't happen all the time but it has happen more than it should.

To elaborate my point further, you'll see the same girl get chatted up by caucasian guys later on and the friend who step in earlier will do nothing.

condor,

your reply earlier was very poignant as i too have been many-a-times blocked into even talking to an attractive white girl because her white male friend (not her bf) instinctly intervene.

although i have dated many white girls, my problem is that i am not dating the BEST for my relative position in the world. i have many asian female friend & my sense is, they are dating far better of the opposite sex than i am.

my only problem is this: if we, as asian male, are subject to this injustice, then why would we allow our very sisters to date white men. These are same white guys who would never even allow us to even talk to their white sisters.

look, i'm not looking for a society where asian are superior to all other races. i only ask for racial equality. in a society that allows asian girls to date/marry white men, then it is only natural that white men allow their sisters to date/marry asian men.

but if we can't change society, then we can change those closest to us (sister, female cousins, nieces etc.) until we achieve some semblance of equality....

Hi amourpropre, some great points in your post. However I would never interfere in my sisters (I have 2) lives. Who they see and date are their business and their business alone. I am sure a large majority of AM feel the same way about this. So isn't it funny that we are still getting portray as the 'GREAT OPPRESSORS' of AF's and females in general? WM are 'liberators' of AF's but it's considered OK for them to suppress females of their own race. Ironic hey????

There should be more equality, I agree with you but the way you are thinking of going about is WRONG. For starters, AF's and the media have done a number on us AM. We have been tagged as oppressors of AF's. If we then start to prevent or try to prevent AF's we know from dating WM then we will only be living up to that BS stereotype. AF's will be using it as an excuse to solely date WM only without feeling guilty. WM will feel like they are doing AF's a favour by saving them from all the evil AM, just like in 'Joy Luck Club'. Some times to fight evil is to feed it. The trap has already be set, we can't fall into it.

I've spent an enormous amount of my life trying to change the negative perception of AM to the people that I've come across. By and large I like to think that I have been fairly successful. However it took a lot of hard work. My suggestion is we can't wait for hollywood to portray us in a better light. AM's have to take it upon themselves to get out there and change it themselves. One of the best way to do this is to compete in physical sporting activites, like football, basketball, rugby, tennis, golf, atheletics etc. When i think back to my high school days when I was known throughout the school as being a good athlete, no one would even batter an eye lid when I ask a WF out. I bet if Yao Ming went and ask a hot looking WF out, no one would be saying 'what do you see in that asian guy' to the girl he asked out.

BM earned their respect through their sporting achievements. It is a way AM must look to exploit further. Remember it was only 30 or 40 years ago when black atheletes were thought to be inferior to whites. So to the younger generation don't just live up to the nerdy, geeky and good at maths stereotype. Pick up a ball and play. If younger AM need inspiration look no further than Liu Xang. He won olympic gold and equal the world record in the 110 m hurdles, an event that has been dominated by blacks. NO ONE ever thought an asian guy could do what he did.

condor,

i MORE than understand what you're saying.

white men, however, are on top, as we all know. they RUN the media (and before that, they were the militarily 'strong', and invaded/conquered/ruled most of asia, india and the africa for about 200 years.)

the 'rulers', the 'rich', the 'strong' men are always seen as attractive to women. a man's nature is to find a woman who is 'attractive' to have children with. a woman's nature is to find a man who can provide and protect.

its how humans are wired.

so, the issue with white men and asian women (that isn't completely there with white men and black women...more on that in a bit) is that asian women find white men, on average, taller and more attractive (financially and physically) than asian men. another part is that many white men find asian women attractive enough as SERIOUS love interests/girlfriends/wives.

sisters (black) come down on me when i point this out. white men have never really, as a group, found black women attractive enough to do anything but have sex with them. because of that, and the historical mistrust MOST black women have of white men, AND the fact that black men are seen by black women, on average, as the 'best' physically (black men were cast as sexual, big and strong...just dumb and always wanting to rape a white woman), means we don't see, in reality, too many white men with black women.

sports ARE one way, but only one way, for asian men to be seen as 'attractive' by asian women and white women. its got to be a media thing.

the one thing black men had going for them, from the mid 1940s thru the early 1970s (and even later) was 'white guilt' in hollywood. 'white guilt' of casting black men as sambos, buffoons, shiftless and dumb made way for the 'perfect man' syndrome of blacks. one example is sidney poitier.

if you look at damned near any sidney poitier movie, from his debut in 1950s 'no way out' (where he was a doctor who had the hate of a really sicko racist) through the early seventies 'buck and the preacher', he's seen as a black god. tall, muscular, articulate...and almost always playing the kind of man any woman wants...tall, dark, educated and fine.

black atheletes, in turn, like jim brown, became popular because they were, what? tall, muscular, fine and now 'sexual'. they were fine not only to the sisters, but to the white girls. now, they'd have sex with the white girls, but at the end of the day, the black king found a black queen.

nowadays, you still have that, but you have sisters crying about the 'shortage' of black men. it's a MYTH, but that minority of sisters who cry are loud, and have oprah backing them up.

but asian men need to get media exposure that SHOWS them as attractive sexy men, not only to asian women but to ALL women. in many ways, asian men are where black men were in the early 1950s.

they now need to take their directors (who in the states, almost always direct white folks) and get them to direct ASIAN men...in lead roles. asians need to PROMOTE this amongst themselves...in the states, in canada and all over the world.

take control of the media...and the rest will take care of itself.

Hi gillete,

Welcome back. I hope you and your foxy lady enjoy a good xmas and new year break. I agree with you about taking control of the media and the rest will take care of itself. However things are just not happening that way.

thanks, condor:

yeah, we had a great time, and i'm going back to vancouver in march.

you're correct, minorities taking the media in their own hands ISN'T happening, at least not in the fashion it SHOULD.

asians SEEM to be content producing in asia, when the market in the americas and europe is being left to whites to create (for the most part), or at least asians that will pander to white tastes.

blacks, more often than not, seem to focus on 'urban' movies/shows, and the few don't focus on it seem to be comedies and not taken seriously.

i didn't see 'crash', but if it didn't have asian americans in it, it was built on a faulty foundation. asians represent a higher percentage of the population of california, i believe, than blacks...so it's folly NOT to show them.

minorities HAVE to take a stand. the easiest place to start is commercials. if you see a commercial that offends (has the asian man SUBSTANTIALLY shorter than the whites, or constantly shows white men with black women, but not black men with white women), then people have to CALL and EMAIL the advertiser, find out who was responsible at the adverstising company for greenlighting that commercial, get the name of the adverstising agency and the casting agency.

friends in advertising have told me (and i've found out directly) that if just a few people complain about a commercial, it gets yanked. i've done this about 4 times already.

next, on to television shows. friends, as good a show as i thought it was, was flawed because the only minorities they had dating the key characters were minority women. they NEVER had a minority man date one of the precsious white women on the show. interesting. they never even showed interracial couples on the show, as secondary characters, unless it was a black, asian or hispanic woman. that shouldn't be allowed.

attack the white media, and let them know that people don't like what they see, and that a good percentage of their viewership (read that as a threat to advertising) will simply not watch the show, NOR support the advertisers.

THEN we have to create our OWN shows, ad agencies, casting agencies. we have to groom our own directors...we have to pool out monies together to BUY 'mainstream' media.

and we have to work TOGETHER as minorities. it can't be black, asian, hispanic...but MINORITIES. by 2050, 'minorities' will be the majority...and we should have that reflected in all aspects of life...including the profits.

hi condor,

look, i'll be frank. this asian males as the "great oppressor" myth is only fantasy fabricated by WM and/or AF.

we don't need to live in the society of a hundred years ago as males of all races, esp europeans/americans readily cheated on their wives back then.

asian today have the greatest loyalty to the ones they love, more so than any WM you will ever meet.

so this "oppresor" belief among AF is completely disingenious. i can talk about the white guy who has intimate relations with multiple girls simultaneously.

but this is not 100 years ago! its today...

In the case that " is just my imagination",(NoT REALITY) I would not generalize all advertising as being unfavorable to minorities. I have seen commercials about beer for example, where white females "prefer" the social/drinking company of black males. They disdain the white males on those commercials! Just watch every commercial as they're many on that subject.
There are a particular bank commercial (you will have to look for yourself) where the white bank executive female prefers the company of the black male to her white male co-worker.
So go figure,where all your inaccurate statements about the lack of minority"superiority" commercials are broadcast by the media.
You might bewatching the wrongcommercials. Keep looking for more popular advertising.

andre, perhaps its the market, but for NATIONALLY broadcast commercials, VERY few show white women preferring black men; dating black men; even being 'alone' with young, virile black men (they will have them with old, 'uncle' , types of black men).

the only commercial where i've seen a white woman with a black guy is on the 'axe' commercials (or some 'hip' body spray for men). the whole series is funny, and in this one, the brother is remaining 'calm' while dealing with 'the british accent guy', who impresses his white girlfriend.

in all fairness, there was the 'mother hen', a white girl that was messing up the rap of a white guy talking to a black girl, and the black girl was pi$$ed because her sorority sister was acting like a 'mother hen'. another funny commercial.

besides that, i can't think another off hand. there have been mcdonalds commercials and coke commercials showing black men with white women, but they are either innocently skating (coke), or the black man is very light and the white woman is italian looking (so she could be a light skinned black, hispanic, etc)

again, i watch commercials...i'm an mba in marketing...i've always been fascinated with commercials...i'm FAR from incorrect.

and i've only seen ONE commercial with an asian man and a white woman...it was off the air in a couple of weeks.

First of all, hey amourpropre, can you can it with the "white people are evil" crap that so seems to permeate this forum ("asian today have the greatest loyalty to the ones they love, more so than any WM you will ever meet.")? You don't know anything about billions of people in this world, so please don't think you can speak for them (or even a small portion of them).

I'm glad someone noticed this annoying trend on TV...I married my husband (not Asian American, but simply Asian) because I loved him, and I'm glad I didn't listen to the racism of many people when I did so. There are cultural differences to work through, sure, but we're all people and we all can love openly and fully with the right person, regardless of race.

So please, I am all for a thorough investigation of this topic, but can you keep your racism to yourself? It's just another hurdle that makes it so painfully obvious why it's still so hard for people of different races to get together. Why don't you go do something positive with some WMs, WFs, BMs, and BFs and get a perspective on what makes us all unique and also all the same.

This is a commonality in all white media.
White women are highly discouraged by white men to seek intimacy outside their own race.

Yes, all while white men seek pleasure from every conceivable corner of our planet.

Being in control of the global media has proven to be very helpful to white men in gaining access to all women while also brain washing white women into thinking they only desire one kind of men.

Social engineering.