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Answer coming from Seoulman67 to a Disgusted Chinese. Listen! when a great war broke out between ancient Coreans and Han Chinese durning the Coreans Three Kingdoms Period, it was your numberous Han Chinese lives that were lost on the ancient Corean ground; therefore the truth it was ancient Coreans who won the battle and kicked your Chinese ancestors ass not the other way around okay Disgusted Chinese!
Seoulman67 joseph1@centurytel.net Sunday, November 04, 2001 at 15:24:37 (PST)

History is being used in this forum like a weapon, degrading other ethnities with vile hate. I cannot understand the logic of this. I'm reading some person saying "my ancestors conquered so and so and kicked your country's ass". Stupid and childish. History is all about where you came from, where you are now, and where you may go. If you are Chinese, you come from a great people and civilization...but utimately it is up to you to build upon your history and not rest on the past glory. Do not let your pride become your blindfold and shackle. We all must repect each others role in our Asianess and not let our pride dominate our thinking. No country is culturally superior to another. Culture is the soul of a people and a soul cannot be valued against another soul. It is unique. Us Japanese have a deep appreciation of our own history both glorius and dark. We will continue to build friendships and bridges with our fellow asians and not dwell on the things that our ancestors did however regretful and painful. Pride is dangerous when it becomes nationalism. We Japanese know this very well.
Miyagi Saturday, November 03, 2001 at 00:11:59 (PST)

Pointing Something Out,
I see your point, and I don't deny that fact, but right now the east asian countries wouldn't be where they are if they hadn't worked hard for it. Don't take me wrong, I don't deny the fact that US was a key player on the development of our economies, I just don't agree when some westerners brag about how it's ONLY thanks to them that this countries made progress, because most of it was done with our own sweat and brains.
K_C Thursday, October 25, 2001 at 13:47:32 (PDT)

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s sdgs@adg.com Wednesday, October 24, 2001 at 18:50:19 (PDT)

K_C:

I was only pointing out the modern countries of East Asia should not take all credit for their modernization. I've seen it used by Japanese to claim superiority over other Asians. I've seen some Koreans do the same, Taiwanese, etc.

I don't deny each nationality takes lots of credit for their modern economy, but you can't deny the fact that they also received outside aid.
Pointing Something Out Sunday, October 21, 2001 at 18:27:25 (PDT)

da man,

I wouldn't mind if you shared with us something on Korea's 3 kingdoms or the various Japanese shogunates or what have you. I'd be more than happy to learn other Asian people's history and cultures. The Han Dynasty era marked the formation of Chinese nationhood and identity that continues today.
nnmm Friday, October 19, 2001 at 17:20:15 (PDT)

to Pointing Something Out,
Korea having much help from the US?. I'd just say with SOME help from US. It was actually thanks to a strict policy of sponsoring and protecting national industry that made the industry grow. And another thing, yes, China might be poor but its economy is growing at a fast and steady rate, which makes it right now the 3rd if not the 2nd largest economy in the world. So it means that even though its income per-capita isn't that high, it has a lot of economical power that can have big effect around the globe. So China is in a relatively high position.
k_c Wednesday, October 17, 2001 at 20:12:59 (PDT)

to nnmm

you are one very verbose mother
Who cares about Liu Bang and Xiang Yu except other sinitic supremacist losers
Note: save the " we once ruled all"
so what! Look at the mongols they once created the largest empire in history
Look at them now a bunch of backward tent living primitives.
Get the message dude..every dog has his day.
da man Friday, October 12, 2001 at 00:27:22 (PDT)

I would like to point out one thing: I keep seeing people write that the fact is China, though as a great, long history is now a poor, backwards country. While Korea is a modern country. True in some sense. But, I get the feeling that those who write such are claiming Korean superiority (or that Koreans can claim all the credit for why they have modern infrastuture). I want to point out, they received lots of help of Americans, as well. If it were not for outside help, Korea would not be the modern society as it is. (This applies to other modern Asian societies such as Japan, Taiwan, etc- so don't think I'm bashing Korea). On the other hand, I'm not saying the Koreans or others did not work hard to contribute to the success of their modern society, they did contribute to it, but had much outside help. We should all be humbled by that fact.
Pointing Something Out Tuesday, October 09, 2001 at 12:00:09 (PDT)

The Khalka Mongols in Outer Mongolia and China still trace their lineage to the Yuan Dynasty of Kublai Khan. Known descendants are still living.

But, there has always been rumors concerning the dubious paternity of the last Mongol emperor of China, Toghon Timur (1333-1368).

The last Song emperor, Gongzong (b. 1270) was captured after a Mongol assault on the Yangzi River by Mongol general Bayan. Gongzong was captured and taken with his entire court to Shangdu (modern Beijing). Kublai Khan gave him an honorary title and had him educated for awhile as a Buddhist monk in Tibet. Gongzong's unexplained suicide in 1323 led to curious rumours, including the suggestion that he was the real father of the future Mongol emperor Shundi (1333-1367), born to a Turkish woman in 1320.

Toghon Timur (1333-1368), longest reigning of all Mongol Yuan emperors. Although Toghon claimed Khoshila as his father, he was widely believed to be the son of the captured Song emperor Gongzong by a Muslim mother whom Khoshila had adopted. Young and weak, he left state affairs to his ministers. Aware of the rumours concerning his dubious origin, Toghon was the most violent and anti-Chinese of all the Yuan Mongol rulers in China. He reimposed strict segregation of the races. He forbade Chinese people to learn Mongolian; confiscated their weapons, horses and iron tools and banned Chinese opera and storytelling. Most horrendous was his suggestion of exterminating of all Chinese with the five most popular surnames, some 90 percent of the population!

Toghon's final years were spent in semi-retirement, devoted to Lamaistic sexual orgies in the palace grounds and personal interests such as designing an elaborate water-clock and a huge pleasure boat for his lake. Chinese rebels met no stiff resistance from degenerate and effeminated Mongol captains who capitulated the major cities. Many Mongol princes and generals had always questioned the paternity of Toghon Timur. In 1368, after the siege of Dadu by the Ming rebels, the Mongols and Toghon Timur and his family fled back northwards towards Mongolia where he died 2 years later.
nnmm Sunday, October 07, 2001 at 18:56:29 (PDT)

its apparent that the chinese are very taken with their past history. i think you guys call it "once ruled all" attitude. that is fine and dandy as far as i'm concerned, however, i can't speak for others and i don't mean to insult, but lets do without the long historical passages. thank you.

kendall [korean male] Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 22:52:42 (PDT)

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