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To lovemoran

“The Ainu was the Caucasian tribe moved to the Japanese islands more than 20,000 years ago, while the Mongolian just reached Japan around 10,000 years ago. They intermixed and yielded the Japanese people now. The same procedure of intermixing also took place in Korea.
Another famous event happened last year also support the idea--some researchers of biochemistry analyzed the DNA refined from the mummies in some ancient tombs in Shangdong province, and made a conclusion that these DNA correspond that of the European people. Another research discovered that the gene of Northern Chinese is more close to the Caucasian, rather than the Southern Chinese.”

I read a similar story somewhere before. But more plausible reason as to the genetic closeness between North Asians and Caucasian can be explained by the facts that numerous incursions and conquests took place in Europe (mostly eastern and central Europe) for centuries by Mongoloid warriors (i.e. the Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, Cumans, Turks, and Mongols etc.)
There were physical integration with sections of the people they had conqured. Traces of the Mongolian genetic influence can still be seen amongst some peoples in Europe. (More evident amongst eastern and central Europeans)
Also don’t forget Hungary, Finland, and Turkey is founded by Mongoloid People.
So if I scratch your skin, it is quite possible you may bleed the blood of Mongolian.
Finally, what is your source that intermixing between Koreans and Caucasians took place?

High cheekbones and slanted eyes Monday, December 03, 2001 at 18:43:29 (PST)

Lovemoron,

You claim the "Qin" were Caucasoid? I have seen the Terra Cotta figures in Xian, and I have yet to see a Caucasoid facial feature on any of these Qin era burial. You sound so much like those Neo-Nazi authors who attribute a White or Aryan foundation myth to anything and everything that non-white people created on their own.
damn sick of it Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:03:40 (PST)

The year 630 AD marks the start of the great Tang Chinese expansion in Asia, during the reigns of Emperor Tai-tsung and Emperor Kao-tsung (from 626 to 683 AD). The defeat of the Turks by the Chinese opened the way to Central Asia for the Chinese army and government in the years 630-45. Hami, Turfan (the kingdom of Kao-chang founded earlier by Han Chinese colonists) in 640, Karashahr and Kucha in 658, then the oases of Transoxiana all passed successively under Chinese control. Chinese administrative districts were created on the far side of the Caspian-the prefectures of Kang (now Samarkand), An (Bukhara), Shih (Tashkent), Mi (Maimargh), Ho (Kushanika, now in Afghanistan), Ts'ao (Kaputana), and Shih (Kish).

In 648 AD, General Wang Hsuan-ts'e organized an expedition to the Patna area of northern India, in order to settle to China's advantage the succession to the throne of the little kingdom of Magadha. Many Chinese Buddhist pilgrims passed through Central Asia and Afghanistan on their way to this kingdom.

In the northeast, Manchuria and almost the whole of the Korean peninsula passed under Tang Chinese control about 660 AD.

In 662 AD, China intervened in the internal affairs of the Sassanid Dynasty of Iran in Ctesiphon on the Tigris R., just at the very time when the Persian Empire was threatened by the advance of the Arabic Ummayad Muslims. A Chinese army was sent to Iran in that year to help Shah Piruz regain his throne for one year before being expelled by the Arab Muslims again.

The extension of Tang Chinese control to these vast territories led to the creation of 6 "governments-general" (tu-tu-fu or tu-hu-fu) or military protectorates: those of Annan at Hanoi, Vietnam, of Peiting at Beshbalik in Central Asia, of Anhsi and Anpei in the northwest of the Mongolia area, of Antung in Korea and of Shanyu in Siberia.

The Tang Chinese expansion from Korea to Iran was undoubtedly the most important phenomenon in the political history of Asia in the 7th cent. AD. It implies a remarkable military and administrative organization, with quick moving striking military forces of cavalry, efficient horse breeding, the establishment of military colonies for the provisioning of the armies in Central Asia, a system of relay stations and intense diplomatic activity. This extraordinary expansion made Tang China the greatest power in Asia at this time.
nnmm Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 23:00:48 (PST)

Lovemoron,
Excuse me, I'm a bit slow. Are you saying that the great cities and civilizatins created in ancient China were done by Caucasians? If so, shouldn't the Caucasians get the credit for building up China's civilizations rather than the current day Chinese?
Lemon Brown Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 19:35:00 (PST)

HAHA, you think the Ainu was a caucasian tribe ??? Through research in Gm blood type,Caucasian do not have the yellow blood type, they have white, while Ainu have yellow but not white.
http://www.dai3gen.net/epage7a.htm

More coming up, but your whole story is basically untrue... I'll update on this
JQ-Corp jason323@zensearch.com Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 18:08:29 (PST)

Race mixing between Chinese men and blonde Nordic women occured more than a few times in the past. There are mummies in China's far western province (Xinjiang) which bore the racial features of a blonde race once living there. Later, during the Han Dynasty's conquest of that region, the mummies were no longer only blonde. But, you later find men of Han Chinese extraction buried side by side next to the native blonde women. This demonstrates that race mixing was going on at that time as only husbands/wives are buried together in one household. Back then, love knew no color. Why can't see the example from the past to guide the future.
I love white girls Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 13:49:28 (PST)

Turkic people had absorbed a lot of Scythian blonde Indo European nomads, so it is not surprising that there were blondes among them.
dilorum Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 13:43:51 (PST)

lovemoron,

those skeletal remains found in Shandong province belonged to the people from the kingdom of Qi during the Zhou period. It is certain that they were originally a blonde race before gradually becoming more and more Mongoloid after the Han Dynasty. Even during the Han, the people there may have looked like modern Mediterraneans and Middle Easterners.

The Yangshao Neolithic pottery bore resemblances to the ones found in northern Iran, Armenia, and eastern Turkey. Whether the influence flowed from west to east or vice versa remains to be known?

South Chinese also have some genetic correlations with Caucasoid West Asians as the Thalassemia genetic blood disease is indicative of it. And, many Middle Eastern people had once immigrated and settled there as large merchant communities.

The Mongols and Manchus certainly gave more East Asian genes to the modern Han Chinese.

But, the average Han Chinese does look somewhat intermediate between Persian and Korean.
aabb Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 13:31:18 (PST)

This article confirms my viewpoint. Why did China thrive back around the time of Christ while most of Europe was living in caves and up the trees? Why did the Moorish Spain thrive while rest of Europe was in the Dark Ages? Simple. Dark Ages Europe and Caveman (and woman) Europe was not influenced by outside forces until the Moors and Mongls began arriving. Like I said in a previous post on Japan, cosmopolitan societies thrive, and xenophobic ones such as Japan and Germany would be on their way to oblivion. This should be a major lesson to the policy makers in the United States.
Asian American Male Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 13:18:33 (PST)

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