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CHINESE MALE/ VIETNAMESE FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS
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You guys are all so racist just insulting each other back and forth. But to be honest, I've seen many asians, the vietnamese may look similar to some Chinese, but only those of the EXTREME south, the Chinese living in the proximity of the Yangtze, the Jiangnan people, actually tend to have extremely pale skin, essentially the palest of all of China. Also, the standards of beauty between China and Vietnam are very different, I personally feel a lot closer to my East Asian friends (Koreans and Japanese) than I do to other Southeast Asians, WHO DO LOOK DIFFERENT. The Cantons, Vietnamese, Thai, Laos, all tend to look similar because of their tropical climate and the fact that they lie belong the Tropic of Cancer. The Han, located around the 2 main rivers of China, Huanghe and Changjiang, are also found in heavy concentrations in the central regions and in the northeast. FOr Americans it seems that the non-ethnic Chinese of the far south (Yue, Cantonese is Yue-yu) slightly resemble Vietnamese, however, you have to keep in mind that the by far the larger majority of Hans are a lot closer with the Koreans!
guy from Harbin
Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 17:24:30 (PDT)
[For the last time, no more posts on ethnology & history. --Ed]
About the origins of Vietnamese people, I did read that they they were one of the "Hundred Yuet" tribes that fought against the Han Chinese as they expanded towards southern China, and that their original homeland was in Fujian or possibly as far north as the Yangtze River delta.
I got this somewhere
Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 16:57:51 (PDT)
Well the move south aborbed the khmer and cham into the vietnamese, but is only evident in the south. The central and northern area was free of khmer and cham, hence the reason for the lighter skin.
Hmmm
Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 16:45:20 (PDT)
Viets (also referred to as the Kinh or vietnamese) and chinese are related. The vietnamese are especially close to the southern chinese. Why? The vietnamese are originally considered to be the Yueh (viet or kinh), who were indigenous or native to where South and SouthEastern China is today. In no way were they related to the Han. The viets lived in that area originally and have been recorded to even in the chinese annals. They then moved south to where vietnam is now (northern vietnam) because of the invading chinese (Han). There has been many findings of the oldest Homo Sapiens in today china in the areas where the vietnamese originally lived, that means they could have been living there for even longer. Those fossils were of their ancestors if the escavations are right. They have more of a claim to them and are in relations closer to them then any other ethnic, even closer to them then the chinese are today. They have more of a right to call those fossils vietnamese Homo Sapiens then the chinese do to call them chinese. But if that is right and they moved south, they must have left alot of their people behind during the migration south. The Han moved in and mixed with them, leaving the vietnamese in vietnam to be the purest of the Yueh's descendents. That is a reason why vietnamese look so similar to the southern chinese, but still have some differences. Even though the viets then conquered the Cham, most of them then moved to cambodia, or gathered more to the south, that's why the southern vietnamese are a lot darker. Also alot of malay influence in the south as well.
Conclusion is similarities brought forth by the common ancestor the Viet, differences by the Han. The viets don't have Han in their blood (or atleast most viets don't). It is commonly believed that the southerners have less of a circle face, and has more of a heart shaped face, also leaner in body structure, brighter and lighter in skin, with bigger eyes and more double eyelids. It is possible that the Yueh line gave the southern chinese this (as it is written in chinese annals that the viets had these traits along with a whole bunch of stuff concerning the toes,toes thing too long, so someone else can right it if another is curious). The vietnamese have these traits too.
But the Han themselves are more related to the koreans. As the koreans are more Han. The vietnamese are only related because of the ancestors left behind from the great migrations long ago forced by invasions, who were then assimilated leaving behind the ones who left to be the purest of the descendents of the viets.
The hatred from my observation is more then JUST because of the economic situation, even during those times, the vietnamese stride side by side with the chinese, even though the chinese controlled district 3 (huge economic center), the vietnamese controlled the largest economic center of vietnam in district 1. Some may have felt looked down, but then they would have felt looked down by their vietnamese people too as they were also in the same rankings, most even higher at those times. The hatred is mostly for historical reasons, like because of the 20 or some wars they had in two thousand years.
I got this from a historical book, well except for the last paragraph which i got from my chinese cousin who came from vietnam.
Well Off
Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 16:43:14 (PDT)
to set the story straight, about 20 % of vietnamese are part khmer. but almost none of them have cham blood. Cham was a kingdom that stretched from Central areas to southern vietnam until 18th century. The vietnamese did kill a lot of chams when they moved south. if you visit vietnam, you could still see the few remnants of champa kingdom. only 100 000 chams still live in vietnam today, as a result of extensive ethnic cleansing. most of them were widely massacred or fled to thailand.
g
Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 13:22:33 (PDT)
To: A Viet guy in Cali
I agree with many observations you mentioned in your May 17 post, and I salute your desire and attitute for harmony.
I've been a keen observer of Chinese/Vietnamese relationship. In fact, I helped with the web site www.huaren.org to explore the many facets. To me, it's evident (look at a mirror) that southern Chinese and Vietnamese are closely related genetically, after mingling for so many centuries. In fact, I would say that before the Vietnamese began to "march southward" some six hundred years ago to absorb Chams and Khmers, the Vietnamese then had to be genetically almost indistinguishable from the neighboring Chinese tribes. My assertion is that the absorption of the Chams and Khmers blood caused some of the physical differences we see in the peoples today.
It's in our chromosome to want an identity, something to make us feel more unique and special. That's why all these statements about how the Vietnamese and Chinese are so different blah blah. And sadly, more often than not, such feelings would be manipolated by individuals with hideous political agenda. We've seen many times in history how ancient hatred between ethnic groups would be used to justify wars and so on (see Yugoslavia, Africa, middle east).
In my Chinese opinion, the use of the Roman alphabets in the Vietnamese language, as initiated and encouraged by politicians in Vietnam for reasons of pragmatism and nationalism, is the biggest factor that widens the gulf between Vietnamese and Chinese.
I know in Vietnam still, the ethnic Chinese are both admired and resented for their positions in economy. In North America, I suppose the early ethnic Vietnamese refugees would resent the "look down" they felt from the established Chinese community. I wonder how the Vietnamese feel now after a few decades of settlement.
Huaren.org
Monday, May 20, 2002 at 17:18:17 (PDT)
Xang:
i didn't know a lot of viet guys so far. But i like them for their sense of humor. although a few of them are a bit too much to handle but they're really attractive and talkative.:)
heeseon
Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 19:54:55 (PDT)
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