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COMPARING ASIAN NATIONALITIES
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Rivalry among the Chinese,

"Btw, the large and beautiful Amsterdam Chinese community in the Netherlands (Holland) is made up of Hakkas and Hoklos. There is no other Western country where these 2 groups or any other Chinese have made such a complementing impact with the natives."

How is this Hakka/Hoklo community in Netherland different than other Chinese communities in Western nations? What do you mean by "impact with the natives"?

Chinaman Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 02:02:50 (PST)

Koxinga is also half-Japanese on his mom's side. He was a Ming loyalist who seriously could have driven out the Manchus if the Chinese would have been more united.

He is not only a Hoklo or Taiwanese hero. He is a Chinese hero in history.
Fan Ching Fu Ming Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 00:57:40 (PST)

The Japanese can look like any one of the Asian ethnicities on the mainland (Korean, Chinese, Viet, Filipino, etc.).

Ocean currents brought all of them there.
Jomon+Yayoi=modern Japanese Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 00:54:58 (PST)

The Manchus now number 9 million in China. I don't know if this includes the bannermen (Qiren) families? Because although by Manchu tribal customs, a Qiren is part of the tribe, some of them are actually of foreign origins. There were already lots of Han Chinese Qiren prior to the Ching conquest of Ming. As there were also Mongol and even a few Korean ones.

Once the Ching entered China, more rebel Ming troops augment the Han Chinese bannermen (Qiren).

Although the Manchus prohibited intermarriage between the Manchus and Han, there were already lots of that taking place in Manchuria even prior to conquest. That is why Manchu DNA is closer to both northern and southern Han than they are to either Mongol or Korean.

In terms of assimilation and language, yes they completed all that long ago. No one can speak authentic Manchu no more. Only the Tungus Ewenki tribes in the Arctic can perhaps.

Qiren Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 00:53:13 (PST)

"Taiwanese who is part Southern Chinese , part Austronesian, part Dutch and proud of it!!!! "

Not every citizen who appears chinese in taiwan mingled with dutch pirates and had sexual relations with the aborigines. In no way am I saying Chinese are one people, I am those people who even look as closely as a city to define peoples. I think the taiwanese who dominate taiwan media is mostly PURE chinese, not mixed with any dutch or aborigine blood.

Chinaman,
I agree with you~
Chiu! Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 23:15:07 (PST)

Indos are Blegh:

^_^
Hehe...I've never seen an Indonesian guy that looks like that...

:)

AnGeLiQuE Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 22:19:01 (PST)

Taiwanese people are just as Dutch as the Filipinos are Spanish.
Only 1% may be of part European blood, and of this 1%, the European percentage amongst these individuals is less than 10% in total, that's why even these part Dutch or part Spanish "barely multi-racial" individuals look just like the rest of the population who are unmixed Asians of Malay stock (the Philippines) or unmixed asians of taiwanese/native taiwaneses stock (Taiwan). Notice how they are only "part" this and "part" that, because these "parts" spoken of are so minuscule compared to the total makeup of the individual and are so rare to find anyway.

These nations never ever had sufficient Europeans to admix with the original populations to make a visible physical difference in the small percent of the population that do carry their genes.

For a taiwanese to say he is proud to be "part" Dutch is like Northern Europeans saying he is proud to be part "Mongol". They too mixed but the superiority in numbers of the European's genes in Europe eventually flooded-out what little Mongol genes may have been present in probably 1% of their people.
Likewise, the numerically superior Asian genes in the Philippines and Taiwan eventually flooded out what little European genes was introduced into 1% of the population.

Imagine you have a deserted Island; You can't put 1 European amongst 5000 Asians and consider three generations down the track that all of the descendants are part European. By that time the original genes would have wiped out the introduced European genes.
Logical Genetics Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 21:22:37 (PST)

Chinaman,

Depends how you look at it. Sure many people know who they are on the island.
But my point about the identity issue is not about people on Taiwan feeling that they are Japanese. It is more of a conflict of being Traditional vs Modern.

Hence, looking to Japan, USA, or Europe is associated with being modern in Taiwan. Whether or not these societies outside Taiwan is the right role model is another question.

I not sure how you define identity issue. But if you're in a foriegn country and are immitating Hollywood movies and USA pop culture then there is a small identity issue going on.

Think about it, if you did not think "LA Boys" ...bunch of USA oversea chinese who couldn't speak chinese, let alone sing... become a pop sensations Taiwan... Or a talented singer ah-mei always being called the Marhia Carrie of Taiwan as an over identification with USA culture for ligitamacy, that is an identity issue in my opinion.
AC Dropout Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 12:21:10 (PST)

AC Dropout,

It's well-known that many Taiwanese (pre-1949) have some aborigine genetic markers, not just studies, but also documentation of such. Chinese history books often tell lies- they say we are all descendants of the yellow emperor and moved south and settled empty lands of the south, etc. There is mixing, genetic studies and family tree tracing (paternally and maternally show that). Taiwan was no exception.

"The studies presented by those Dr. on geneotype difference are not cannons in the gene study." The study was largely based on HLA typing between the (I know what Taiwanese who is part... is talking about). Some well-known genetic scientist use it including Sforza of Italy and of Stanford University. The HLA type of the Hoklos/Hakka in Taiwan show a slight distinction from the ones on the Mainland. It does show some small, non-Mainland China infusion.

Ones genes can't be based on phenotype. The fact that some Taiwanese may look like people in the Mainland does not indicate that the Taiwanese did not mix. Any scientist will tell you that.

Minnan Man Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 12:14:52 (PST)

Chinatown,AC Dropout, Chinaman,

"I could call myself Chinese who is part northern chinese, part southern chinese, part turk, part hun, part manchu, part caucasoid, part khitan, part mongol, part malay. However, I'm not the one to put so much stress on such niceties. Seriously, who cares???"

Heck with it, if people don't want to be referred to as being Chinese, that's their business. To those of you living in America- do you want me to shoot you down if you call yourself Chinese-American. What if I told you, who gives a flying f*ck that you are Chinese-American, you are American. Just amazes me when somebody has a little Chinese blood, some Chinese people only refer to them as Chinese and discount their older blood. Or if they move to America and they always refer to themselves as just Chinese.

You wonder why some Asians and Chinese complain about being treated as foreigners in America- they are partly to blame. They will often say that city is made up mostly of "Americans" (meaning mostly whites).

Chinese What???! Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 12:02:07 (PST)

"So? My grandpa handed me a 'family tree' of my family that spans from hundreds of years ago. But I found no evidence of any of my Taiwanese ancestors being raped by the Dutch. Does that say anything about the Taiwanese blood as a whole? Nope."

Yah, probably only paternally which leads you to believe falsely you are a pure Chinaman.

There Is No Such Thing As A "Chinese Race" Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 11:53:28 (PST)

Chinaman,

Have you done any research on Hoklo Taiwanese or Hakka Taiwanese? It's not just me, there have been some other people who traced their ancestry maternally also. Lee Teng Hui has some Ketagalan (one of the Plains aborigines tribes) blood in him. Chen Shui Bian has some Siraya in him. There are also countless others. This is not a rare thing. I'm not hear making a political statement, I'm just pointing out many Hoklo and Hakka Taiwanese have some plains, Pingpu (no, not SanDiRen) blood in them. But, I see too many people denying this without looking into this.

I never claimed that most Taiwanese have some Dutch blood in there, but there are those who do. What's up with your sarcastic remarks, anyways? Hope you don't look down on people who don't have the so-called "pure Chinese" blood.

The mixed genes of Hoklo and Hakkas in Taiwan is actually well-documented. I can e-mail it you, if you want, since you seem very stubborn with your views that Hoklos in Taiwan are just "Chinaman" living in Taiwan (that's what I can infer from your notes).
Taiwanese Who Is Part Southern Chinese, Part Austronesian and Part Dutch Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 11:50:08 (PST)

Rivalry among the Chinese,

Thanks for sharing about the famous Hoklos and Hakkas.

Yes, right on- Hoklos have a seafaring origin.

Taiwanese Who Is Part Southern Chinese, Part Austronesian and Part Dutch Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 11:39:46 (PST)

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