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COMPARING ASIAN NATIONALITIES
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[The following two interesting historical posts were moved from -- can you believe it? -- the Chinese Female/Vietnamese Male discussion. --Ed]

Han Emperor,

The Sui and Tang royal lines had once served Turkic kings (Northern Zhou) and they had married the women of their tribes (Dugu, or Dugor). This group was different from the Wei Toba (Tabgatch). Even the Toba Wei (Tabgatch) were more likely Turkic than Tungusic based on the pronunciation of their tribal name.

Even the Xianbei were probably more Mongol originated than they were Tungus based on the deciphering of their language. They were probably closest to the Khitan, another Mongol race that later attacked northern China.

After the fall of the Han Dynasty, many Huns had settled China and became Chinese themselves. They were unlike the Mongols and Manchus, in that they adopted Chinese names, wore Chinese clothing and promoted racial intermarriage between rulers and the conquered. In fact, they hastened the process to the point where there was no difference after a generation. Of course, there were some who held out and rode their ponies back into the Gobi desert and grasslands in protest.
But, if we check our history, the Turkic rulers Sinicized themselves more than what the later Mongols and Manchus never did. Still, our history does not recognize the Turkic kingdoms as legitimate even though they had existed in northern China after the fall of the Han Dynasty imperial order.

The Tang ruling family claimed descent from the famed Han Dynasty general (Li Kuang-li) as well as the Daoist sage (Lao-tzu). On their maternal side, many Turkic women and princesses had entered their blood.

The Tang had absorbed at least 1 million Tu-chueh (Turk) tribes into China proper after victorious battles.

Even Li Shimin's 2nd son continued to speak in a Turkish dialect and lived in a yurt (tent) outside the capital walls of Chang'an.

Tungusic blood entered China later during the latter Song (Jurchen Jin). Later, they came to conquer all of China once more under a new tribal name (Manchu). They were the last emperors of China.
Hsiung-nu Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 23:14:17 (PDT)

Han emperor,

If you do DNA tests on Hui people, you find that they cluster closest to Han more than any other races. Most studies don't even differentiate them from other northwest Han. All northwest Han people (Muslim and non-Muslim) have some amount of Caucasoid genes in them since even before the formation of the Chinese people and culture. Many parts of northwest China did not originally belong to Han people. Gansu was originally an Iranian (Yueh-chih) territory before they were driven out.

Many Hui fabricate their origins in the past, because of their hatred for the Qing Dynasty and other Chinese who oppressed them.

So, they identified with Islam first and foremost. And, by claiming foreign ancestry was the best way to forever break off this link.

Islam spread to China during the Tang. The emperor Li Shimin praised their religion (often comparing it to Confucianism) and allowed them to build mosques and proselytize. He even likened this Islam religion as "a people's religion."

Islam did not really take a firmer hold until the Mongol Yuan Dynasty. Most of the Muslim soldiers brought into China at this time were not Arabs or Persians. They were Central Asian Turkic tribes. Racially, they were both Mongoloid and Caucasoid (like the modern Uigurs and Uzbeks), and did not really differ so much from the average Han Chinese.

One Turkic general who served Kublai Khan, Sayyid Ajjal Shams helped the Mongols take over modern Yunnan province from the Miao tribes. Among Sayyid Ajjal Shams armies were Turkic horsemen as well as Chinese foot soldiers. The Chinese troops outnumbered both the Turkic and Mongol troops. So, that is why Yunnan today is mostly still Han Chinese in language and race. But, there still exists a large Hui population there (called Pathay). They are the descendants of these Turkish, Mongol and Chinese troops who served Sayyid Ajjal Shams.

In fact, you are right that Kublai Khan had employed many Muslim (ie Turkic) mercenary generals and soldiers. But, when they recruited Chinese troops into their armies, they usually converted them to Islam.

There still is a tribe of Mongols in Gansu province (the Dongxiang) who are Muslim. They had served the Yuan under Turkic Moslem generals. But, a great portion of them have Chinese surnames and family genealogy books. It is for sure that some of them are descended from Chinese conscripts.

The first emperor of the Ming had great affiliations with Muslims. Some of his closest allies and generals were Muslims (Turkic and Hui) who also resented the Mongol Yuan rule. He himself married a Muslim Central Asian princess. Many assumed that he had converted to Islam, because only a Muslim man may wed a Muslim woman.

The Hui began with an Arab and Persian nucleus in the Tang and Song Dynasties. Mostly merchants settling in China. Then, there was the larger influx during the Yuan of mostly Turkic Muslims, although there were some Persians too (astronomers, siege engineers). They had not only intermarried with Han, but it is likely that they also converted a great number of them too as they were elites at the time.

The Hui also had the custom of adopting Han male babies into their families, when they are childless or have enough money to do so. This is especially true in northwest China hinterlands.

During the Qing, there were a lot of jihads by the Hui and Uigurs against Manchu misrule. The Manchus used Han soldiers to quell down these Muslim revolts. Many Hui men were killed and the Hui women were violated. Their blood became more Han and not the other way as you described it.
Qing Zhen Jiao Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 23:00:25 (PDT)

the only thing i hate about indians, is there annoyingly crappy movies. and i dont eat indian food. but other than that theyre women are often very HOT.
AZN Realist Friday, May 03, 2002 at 00:00:35 (PDT)

whoops sorry i made a typing mistake, i meant to say "..a population of around 76million, 1% of 76million is?.....*760,000* mestizos.." not 760,00
AZN Realist Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 23:58:21 (PDT)

i consider these three countrys to be the main malay countrys. Indonesia, Phillippines and Malaysia (and maybe thailand but many are not malay ancestory especially north thai), Indonesian and Malaysians both speak malay with slight differences and The Phillippines speaks tagalog which i dont even think is the native language of the majority of the filipinos. but even though, malay, indonesian malay and all the languages of the phillipines are very similar languages and are all classed in the polynesian language type group. Thai, vietnamese and all those indo-china countrys have much different languages. Also the Malaysians and filipinos, both use the portuguese/spanish grammer sense, whilst indonesias grammer follows the dutch style. And i recall someone saying that magellan was killed in the phillipinnes, actually i think he was killed in north borneo, which is now part of malaysia, though the phillipines still claim today that north borneo is rightfully theres.
a little sumthin Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 23:56:57 (PDT)

"now there are approximately 1% of filipinos are mestizo, the phillippines has a population of around 76million, 1% of 76million is?.....760,00 mestizos approx. which means the filipinos with chinese blood are around the same. now in my earlier post i believe i wrote "

actually i notice a lot of them look mixed. i think the number must be higher.

E Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 14:37:26 (PDT)

AZN Realist, you too are being bashed, and im not sure if your filipino!

face it brother, everyone hates filipinos
noli me tangere Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 14:30:37 (PDT)

The Rock, WWF Wrestler could be filipino. In the Philippines, eyebrow raising is a gesture for saying hello. The Rock has this thing called the People's Eyebrow, which he says he does to say hello when he was in high school. Haha. I thought that was pretty funny. And one more thing, if you watch wrestling, The Rock's favorite pie just happens to be PUTANG PIE. Putang? Filipino swear word. Coincidence?
Anyway i just thought that was pretty funny, everyone knows he's not filipino.
Just pointing that out, because i know all you other asians will claim filipinos think they are black or something! Or Samoan! Give me a break
andrew Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 14:04:12 (PDT)

Who do other asians always say MOST FILIPINOS DONT WANT TO BE ASIAN? That is so very far from the truth.

1. Filipinos just want to be accepted.
Yes, we arent your stereotypical asians, but we are ASIANS nonetheless and 99Z% filipinos dont have a problem with that. Malays are very proud people.

2. I've experienced some racism from other asian nationalities. Especially from koreans. One korean guy said to me, "filipinos arent asian their fake ASIANS! Your culture is third world crap!" Im sure many filipinos can relate to my experience. Filipinos are probably one of the most discriminated peoples in the world. Look at the history of filipinos in america, where we were called "DOGS" by the white men.
We are constantly being looked down upon and held inferior especially by the Spaniards, Americans, Japanese, and the rich Chinese business men working in the Philippines today. It hurts me deeply and it kills me a little when Koreans, Chinese, Japanese always claim that filipinos dont want to be filipinos, they want to be hispanic or white. Because throughout Filipino history, a very proud history, filipinos have been fighting for freedom. It is obvious that filipinos aren't as united as chinese because we are not mono cultural. There are different regions, islands, cultures in the Philippines, and filipinos are more loyal to their region. This is very understandable.

I think "Comparing Asian Nationalities"
is a euphamism for "Lets all hate on eachother". Filipinos are such warm people, kind and passionate, but they are probably the most discriminated. Not all filipinos are bad, just like in every country.

Filipinos are asian, but in our way, we are unique people. We accept other people into our culture, our heritage, a heritage that you can call Filipino. I love my country, and the smiliing brown malays who inhabit it. To all filipinos, Filipino Pride comes before Asian pride.
jay Velasco Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 13:50:46 (PDT)

True, Very True:
I married to a Filipina and as such have spent a great deal of time in the Philippines. I have never, even once heard any Filipino mention the word Spanish or Hispanic. When I do hear such a reference, you'll be the first to know, before you blow a gasket !
give it a rest Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 13:27:37 (PDT)

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