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COMPARING ASIAN NATIONALITIES
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One Korean Man

when did coreans conquer all of or even large parts of china?
?? Friday, June 07, 2002 at 03:11:18 (PDT)

Very sad and frustrating story indeed. What is enraging is even indonesian police ignored the brutality those muslim men did and they did nothing to help the chinese. well it was 3 years ago but reading back those stories just make me angry.
gk Friday, June 07, 2002 at 02:59:06 (PDT)

The story made me really angry. Those indonesian men are not human beings. They don't even deserve to be dirty dogs. I just couldn't put into words how frustrated i am after hearing the story.
gk Friday, June 07, 2002 at 02:29:19 (PDT)

chinalova,

Koreans are not direct descendants of Mongolians but close. Actually, Koreans are descended from nomadic North-asian tribes collectively known as Tungusic peoples (Classical Mongoloids). Many people belong to this group including Mongols, Manchus, Huns, Han Chinese and of course Koreans. The Han tribes was the first of the Tungusic tribes to settle and build cities and later formed the basis for Chinese civilization. The Korean tribes followed suit and created their own settlements shortly after. These Korean settlements built kingdoms and fought each other for domination similar to the conflicts that the Han tribes encountered in their journey to Chinese nationhood. The Mongol and Hun tribes remained nomadic and later became great threats to the established Han Chinese and Korean civilizations. Later on, the Manchu, a semi-nomadic tribe conquered the Han and then subjugated Korea. Afterwards, the Manchu identity slowly became diluted and became Han, their tungusic cousins. They no longer exists as a culture.

Out of all the original Tungusic peoples, Koreans are the most homogenous due to relatively long isolation. The Han are the least homogenous due to mixing with many non-tungusic peoples in the South and West of China Proper.
Miyagi Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 23:44:58 (PDT)

One Korean Man.

You mentioned the "Greater Manchuria Tribal Confederation."

I know that the ancestors of both Manchus and Jurchens were under the nominal rule of a greater Goguryo kingdom in the past.

They were called the "Malgal."

Later, when Tang invaded Goguryo, these proto-Manchu tribes broke off and were ruled by the Khitan (a Mongol group). Then later more, they formed their own state (Jurchen Jin). Jin meaning the people of gold (like Korean name Kim). In late 17th cent. they changed their name to Manchu Qing.

But, there had existed an even earlier Tunguz tribal confederation. This was during the times of Confucius and Warring States period in China. Those Tunguz in China were called the "Dong-i" people. Koreans claim descent from them. At one time, parts of northern China was first inhabited by them (modern Liaoning, Hebei, Beijing, small parts of northern Shandong). Later, the Yen Chinese kingdom pushed them northwards into Manchuria and Korea. But, that didn't mean that all the Tunguz-Koreans were killed off or deported. Many had stayed behind and mixed with incoming Chinese.

Dong-i people are one of many who contributed to the modern Chinese race and ethnos.
Dong-i Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 22:28:20 (PDT)

One Korean Man,

Nobody is stealing Korean history.

On the otherhand, many Koreans are all too eager to claim the fame that is not theirs (the Turko-Mongol conquests).

Anyone who reads Korean history texts (written by South Koreans) can sense the idiocy of it all. It is just like the African-Americans claiming that ancient Egyptians and Moors were black.

By the way, Koreans never were in control of parts of Northern China. It was the other way around. The Yen state pushed its borders into Old Chosun. Later, the Han, Sui and Tang dynasties continuously invaded Korea. Han Chinese artifacts and palaces have been found in Korea, but no Korean artifacts or place of settlement has ever been found south of Manchuria.
tired of the same stuff Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 22:06:18 (PDT)

I have nothing against the Vietnamese or Thai but I found that their spoken language is very annoying, a lot of blurry tonal pronunciation, and sounds like animals grunting or making incomprehensible noises. and their speech tend to drag non-stop. what is yr view?
Hummer Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 20:13:24 (PDT)

Much have been made about "sino-centric" Chinese bashing other ethnic groups and claiming all sorts of wacky superiority theories as fact.

PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THESE IMMATURE ADOLESCENTS FOR REAL CHINESE!!!!

I am originally from mainland China (Shanghai) and everybody I know there do not think this way! People in China are moderate and do not believe or even heard of radical theories about how Chinese people is the origin of East Asian and South American civilizations (that's outrageous!). This is nonsence spewed by a few young and stupid foreign-born "Chinese" who have too much time on their hands. I bet you they can't even read a children's book written in Chinese.

Many Chinese live a simple existence (800 million of our countrymen and women are rural based and live off the land) and I doubt that they feel superior over other peoples. They are the true face of Chinese culture. They find pleasure in the beauty of nature and preserve the traditions of our culture. They are incredibly gracious and share with city folk like me, their food, poems, music and stories. I love to visit the villages and experience a way of life that is the essence of the China I love.

For those "Chinese" supremacists that claim to know their history:

You should take another look! Quit your stupid and embarassing boasting and understand that, unfortunately, our Chinese history is mainly about IMPERIAL history. Our history tend to glorify many acclomplishments of our Emperors and their Dynasties and ignore the common people. Please remember that for the majority of our 5000 year history, ordinary Chinese were suffering under self-serving imperial policies. As a result, war and upheaval are common themes in our nation's past. Unless you were descended directly from the Imperial Family, please do not boast about the Emperors since you were most likely descended from the Chinese peasantry. The peasants should be the people you celebrate not the despotic Emperors who for the most part repressed our ancestors and weakened the nation leaving it vulnerable to invasion. True Chinese take pride in Chinese things like brush painting, caligraphy/language, observance of the Spring Festival, that are inherent to our culture. You idiots can just go back to playing Nintendo.

A wise Chinese history professor once told me that to truly appreciate and learn from history, you must first discard your predujices and be able to see the facts from ALL points of view. If you insist on maintaining your egotistical and radical views, you might as well draw a swatzika on your forehead. It is very distaseful to me that you have the nerve to claim things that you NEVER contributed to, embraced or truly understand. Please do not insult other peoples with your garbage in the name of China. I, as a Chinese national, respect the cultures of our neighbors and other nations and hope you would too. Please do not identify yourself as chinese!!!!i suggest you identify yourselves as what you really are: nazis!!!
boo boo Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 18:19:03 (PDT)

An Nam Guy,
That's ok. I know this is a free poll. Apology accepted. I just can't accept any comments that is untrue about my country. I apologize too if I've said anything wrong?
Malaysian-Eurasian Gal18 Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 18:02:51 (PDT)

Singaporeman,
I don't really agree with you though. I have alot of Malay friends and they are friendly people. Not all Malays don't like Chinese. Maybe there are some but you can't say that "Malaysians do not like Chinese" and that's also because the word Malaysian represent a diverse range of ethnicity. I'm Malaysian but not a Malay. I'm Eurasian. Yeah, I know there's a "cold war" going on between Singapore and Malaysia since long time ago.
Malaysian-Eurasian Gal18 Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 17:57:59 (PDT)

chineselova,

I don't think that true Mongols have contributed to the Korean race.The Eastern Mongols are of the Khalkha tribe.They're a more virile variant of the Siberian polar race. I don't know about North Koreans but South Koreans don't have this Khalkha heritage in their population. Then there are the Northern Mongols,the Buryats,they belong to the same type like the Khalkhas, but including polar race admixture. You can roughly categorize Buryats,Khalkhas and Oirats (Western Mongols) together as the classical "Baikal Type".

South Koreans belong to the same stock like the early Han people.
rare stuff Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 16:56:23 (PDT)

One Korean Man,

you wrote about Jurchens among other Northeast Asian people. How would you describe Jurchen race and North Koreans' racial type (if you can)? I know there are different phenotypes,but which phenotype belong to which race?
rare stuff Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 16:29:27 (PDT)

tri,

I refer to those Oguz Turks who were pure-bred in ancient times.They emigrated to Turkey.Turkmen Turks have a little Mongoloid ("Turanid") admixture.

Turks were originally not "Mediterranean",they were somewhere intermediate between Iranids and Amerindians,closer to Iranids.The fat mothers ("babushkas") is what those three have in common,I think. Real Mediterraneans are Berber stock and Semitic stock.

#110 would not attract attention among Han Chinese because of his facial features.But he belongs to a type which is very common among North Asians in general.#66 looks Caucasoid.
rare stuff Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 16:15:00 (PDT)

Cantonese American Chinese:

I don't think so. they're for the most part Japanese..SOme are Taiwanese and Hong KOng actress. and none of them is Vietnamese. You can see there pics of Rena Tenaka, Vivian Hsu, Kyoko Fukada...
gk Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 13:42:07 (PDT)

Can some one please help answer my questions.
Well first of all, my dad's Chinese but my mother is Cambodian and Cambodian is the language spoken at home not Chinese. My dad doesn't speak Chinese but I really want to learn the language and get it touch with my chinese roots.
How hard is it to learn chinese?? I hear it's really really hard.
Are the words in a different order than in English?
For example, in french if you wanted to say "I gave it to him" it would be " Je le lui ai donn�" which a word-for-word translation would say : I it to him gave. What is chinese like any way?
Thanks

MT Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 12:29:45 (PDT)

I have a question. People mention all the different ethnicities, such as Han, Mongol, Negroid, Dravidians, Malay, etc. How far back in time did these distinct races exist? 100 years? 1,000 years? 10,000 years? There has to be one absolute number because if you go back far enough into time, all races were one. If you are talking about all these different races, there has to be definite date when all of them existed at once as separate entities. If one existed before or after another one, it is all a moot point.

Furthermore, what is the significance of this absolute date? Why was this particular date chosen?

For instance, when we say "Han," we act as if the Hans just came out of the ground, and there was nothing before them. Well, the Hans came from somewhere too. Why aren't they mentioned? Why does it start with "Han?"
TSJ Eric@KristinKreuk.net Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 11:35:03 (PDT)

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