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L. Cavalli-Sforza, Stanford University thinks that Indian/bangladeshis and pakis are caucasians! haha do we look caucasian ? No. We are dravidian. A race unto ourselves!!!

So do not trust this guy.
yayati Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 10:37:20 (PDT)

To srange proverbs:

The exact proverb is "Gentlemen can be slain but not humiliated (or insulted)"

I can provide the original Chinese if you are interested and if your PcC can decode the characters.
Future Chinese Historian Lcc205@aol.com Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 07:12:01 (PDT)

That study about the Korean male origins:

It cannot prove for certainty that the Koreans derived from Chinese patrilineally. Yet, it cannot disprove it either.

Very unlikely, because very few intermixtures occur through rapes. Mostly likely, it is through migration, peaceful mixing and assimilation.

Based on the high and nearly identical numbers of the percentage for both groups, it is a safer bet to say that both groups must have evolved from one common racial ancestor in the very distant past.
Races of Asia Monday, June 17, 2002 at 23:04:45 (PDT)

Hoklo Taiwanese: much props to ya. Kudos on saying what needed to be said.
In regards to HK japophile: you're hilarious. you've been told.
chinatown Monday, June 17, 2002 at 22:53:50 (PDT)

Miyagi,

You obviously seem to have some sort of stigma against Korean people.

I have never been to Japan? Ha-ha! I'm about to make you look real silly because I am actually sitting here typing this in my home prefecture of Kanagawa while it's raining outside. I've lived here for a very long time. I've gone to college at one of the best universties in Japan! So get over yourself.

How long has it been since you've been in school, Miyagi? I've actually read some of these school books, sorry to inform you. Kojiki and Nihon shoki were not the only chronicals to document the history of this country (which is always written by the victors). Alternatives are being taught and your version of the orgins of the Japanese people are being challenged . . . by other Japanese.

Jimmu was not a native "Japanese". He was not Ainu!! There are documents that support the fact that he came to Japan (via what is now called Korea) and claimed himself emporer. Today, I think Japan would have to give a better explanation on the origin of its people then saying they came from the Sun Goddess. It is folklore designed to unite the Japanese people under the emporer. Can you imagine what that would do to Japan to teach the historical *facts* based on archeology and not mythology?

I can understand you would not consider Korea a big influence because you are perhaps threatened by it. Korean artisans came to Japan to teach pottery techniques. Do you really think these guys were asexual during their stay? I don't think so. Why are you so willing to admit that Japan and China were friendly at one point, but you can't accept Japan and Korea were equally as friendly? Koreans adopted Japanese ways? Are you serious? What about your kimono? The basic design came from China, the bright colors were influenced by Korean patterns.

I've heard Japan is unique. Yes, I agree with you. I have been to Korea, too. Yep, they are very different from each other. What Japan has chosen to accept has been molded and changed so much that it is hard to distinguish it from the original source. If Japan was never influenced by Korea, what's the deal with Japanese art? I took a Japanese Art history class where they showed us two pairs of earrings. One was a Korean pair the other was a Japanese pair. Both were identical! Which pair was made first? The Korean pair. This is not the only example.

There are 300,000 Japanese-born Koreans in Japan. Can you honestly sit there and tell me you could pick out each and every one of them? "Looking" Japanese or Korean also has to do with the clothes you wear and the way you act. I have a friend who is very Korean-looking and almost every Japanese she came into contact with thought she was Japanese until she opened her mouth. (She is Korean American). So I don't think you are so special as to have a radar on your head to pick out every Chinese and Korean person who lives here. I bet you're also going to tell me you can spot a Buraku-person from a mile off, too, huh? Do I have a Buraku friend? Answer is yes. Could anybody tell? No. The fact is that Japan has so many interethnic conflicts on its own land without the Koreans, Chinese or even Okinawans being discriminated against because there are several different races of Japanese who, if you ask them, will distinguish themselves from each other. Tohoku, Kanto, Kansai and Kyushu people consider themselves very different from one another.

Koreans in Japan act like Koreans everywhere else. They have their own schools, their own towns. They act very Korean to me. You could even say the same thing about third generation Korean Americans, couldn't you? Many third generation Korean Japanese or Korean Americans do not speak Korean. Why should they be expected to? But people don't just drop their culture because they happen to live in another country. Oh, but I guess that would make too much sense, wouldn't it?

And Miyagi, Miyagi, Miyagi, how in the WORLD can you say Japanese don't cause Koreans physical harm? Don't you read the newspapers? What about the little Korean-Japanese girls who got bullied by Japanese school children because they were wearing their uniforms that marked them as Koreans, in the hanbok style. These kids ripping their uniforms and throwing stones at them when a North Korean submarine was sighted off the coast of Japan wasn't physical harm? Then what is? Your ignorance is too much.

"We do not like outsiders"? Speak for yourself. Not the rest of Japan.

Joy Monday, June 17, 2002 at 22:27:46 (PDT)

so,

There were no Semitic peoples in China. They may have had contact with Sumerians and Babylonians, but I don't think any of these groups are Semitic.

The only earliest Caucasoids to live amongst the Chinese were the Yueh-chih (proven to be Iranian speaking) and the Tocharian (they are either Iranoid or West Europeans close to Celtic). The Chinese may have assimilated and mixed with many of these groups, as both the Qin and Han Dynasties never make reference to any peculiar racial differences between them and the Yueh-chih tribes.

Whether the Chinese greatly influenced Korean genes or not is never going to be known for sure unless we take a time machine and go back to the various eras where Chinese had made their presence felt in Korea?

One thing for sure is that Korean paternal lines are not that different form Chinese ones. They must have come from the same genealogy. I heard that Mongol haplotype Y chromosomes do not follow the same pattern as the ones among Chinese and Koreans.
race and language are not the same Monday, June 17, 2002 at 19:10:54 (PDT)

>>>You refer to a source that states itself that 1) the legend might not be true and 2) the legend could be interpreted as a mixing of Turkicized Iranians with Armenians.<<<

There are just too many striking correspondences and references to be coincidental in this source. For example, the name "Chenk" is obviously referring to China. Even the Indians and Iranians at that time referred to the Chinese by that name (from Qin Dynasty). Now, the Armenian sources refer to the Chinese king as "Chenbakur." If you know Farsi (Iranian language), you will know that "bakur" means "son of the heaven." We all know that ancient Chinese emperors used this title to address themselves (tianzi, son of heavens). It would not be surprising if Chinese had made their way to that part of the world. In 100 ADs, a Han Chinese general (Ban Chao) and his envoy (Gan Ying) journeyed to Iran. Seeking to find Rome, they were accompanied by the Iranians to other lands on their way (Armenia, Syria, Anatolia). Before they departed, they left and commissioned some Chinese officers to remain in these lands to protect the silk trade. This Armenian family may have been one of those officers remaining in Iran after Ban Chao and Gan Ying departed back to China. Another reference is just too ironic. This Armenian family mentions that they fled "Chenk" (China) during the 200 ADs. This was the time when the Han dynastic order fell in China. There were many rebellions (eg Yellow Turbans revolt). Many people fled south, east (to Korea and Japan), as well as west (to Central Asia and Iran). We really cannot prove or disprove the validity of this Armenian legend. What I am saying is that the striking references does have a connection with China.

>>>What I was reffering to was that you cannot prove if e.g. the people called Sai (=Said?) possess even a fragment of a Western chromosome.From the Uighurs who are probably Mongolid Turks mixed with a few Iranids it is known that there occur men among the Uighurs who look completely like Iranids (Caucasoids in the broader sense).So there shouldn't be any confusion because all or nearly all others among the Uighurs look totaly Mongolid. As you can see then real Iranians would be strikingly remarkable among Han and vice versa.<<<

The only true Uighurs in China are the Sarig Yugurs in Gansu province. They have no Caucasoid components in them and they are Lamaist Buddhist.

Uighur DNA is highly complex. I am referring to the Muslim Uighur people of the Xinjiang oases province. The southern Tarim Uighurs are more Iranoid and the northern ones are more Mongoloid. More to the east (esp. in Turfan and Kucha cities), you instantly see Han influences in their appearances. There are many Uigurs form all over Xinjiang living as students or workers in Beijing. I have seen among them faces that look Han, Kazakh, Iranian and even Indian. Disregard their language and religious affiliations and in the past, this Xinjiang region attracted people from all over the world to settle and mix.

Han and Iranian mixed in the past Monday, June 17, 2002 at 19:01:19 (PDT)

Main sub-groups of Asians: Mongoloid, Melanesian, Malay-Polynesian. People used to lump all asians as mongoloid while actually it's not the truth.

Northern mongoloid descend from Malay? this need to be carefully reexamined. They have one eyelid, are they mixed w/ Caucasoid?

Cambodians come from the chinese?

Cambodians actually come from India and they even look different from Viets, Thai, Laotians.

Mongoloid Monday, June 17, 2002 at 16:50:19 (PDT)

Perspective,

hahaha so you think chinese are more likely to sellout than koreans.

jackie chan a clown outside of HK? no, he's actually more of a "clown" back in HK. in hollywood he has to tone down his "clownishness" to become more acceptable to the western culture.

Hoklo Taiwanese Monday, June 17, 2002 at 16:29:52 (PDT)

"Japanese Remark",

Yes! I am glad you wrote what you wrote. There are others who claim too much on so litle. My country is very much our selves and cannot be confused with Korea. I greatly respect the Korean people and their ways and always will as long I live. I enjoy all Korea have to offer in song and culture as Koreans have of our ways too. We all have our own views but fact is, nations are unique in their own way and to start claiming supremacie over each other is something we cannot repeat ever! Besides, we Japanese take as fact that most higher civilization concepts in Asia was from China and India, true? Why not accept this Koreans? There is no shame in this as any Nihonjin can tell you. Can a Englishman admit his early advancement come from Roman Empire? Of course! Our people in Japan, Korea, China have all in one time considered brothers and sisters, no? I am saddned by much aggressive behavior by Koreans here excpt for Korean Man who have at least balance and compassion in his writing. I understand all too well that Korean agressiveness is responding to my country actions during the past. It is with extreme regret that Korea have suffered at Nihon agressiveness too. Can two wrongs make a righteous?

On to more petty matters...haha. Why Chinese argue among each other on us associating with Cantonese or Mandarin people? I am very amused by this. Tourists from Japan visit all countries...we have no special prefernece on Asia. Cantonese people is different from Mandarin? I did not know this, very obvious since I do not have any Chinese friends I can learn from. To me, they look the same or is it the Hong Kong movies that hide the diffrenece? Haha, very funny, this argument among Chinese people. I apologize for my ignorance but I thought all Chinese people are very nice. They all seem polite like Nihonjin when I visited China 2 years ago. I have more contact with Mandarin speakers and to me, I enjoy more their language but I guesss Cantonese confused this with our affinity with them. You say Cantonese have sounds like Japanese is untrue from my ears. Mandarin and Cantonese is very diffferent from my mother tongue in vocalization. In my opinion, Cantonese sounds is not pleasant like Mandarin and please do not take this as an insult. It is just a personal observation. I have nothing against Cantonese since I do not know them at all..I understand Hong Kong is a beautiful city and many friends have visted there and told me hong Kong poeple are more brash than Mandarin and they like to yell! Is this true, I do not know. I hope I can vist southern cities in China soon. I hear there are many historical sites similar to Beijing and Xian which I have been too. Can any Chinese reccomend cities or places to go to in the south?
Miyagi Monday, June 17, 2002 at 15:04:24 (PDT)

To, United Asia;

Can you post some of the links to the DNA/genetic research tests for me? What was surprising for me was that people keep on saying that they tested most of asia, but i don't really see that they did tests on idonesians or vietnamese. They say vietnamese on I Ching's links but in the chart it does not show anything vietnamese. And the only thing that shows vietnamese is on the pdf formatted stuff and i read the charts and it does not include the vietnamese at all, or i missed it, either they tested a minority group or what. Also the indonesians and the filipino.
Chinese Guy Monday, June 17, 2002 at 14:39:16 (PDT)

"I knew one ethnic Chinese from Korea who told me during the LA Riots of 1992, that ethnic Koreans don't know how to be good merchants."

Many Koreans just don't know how to deal with other people in any situation. They either are too rash or too arrogant with everything.

From reading some sources, the Korean Chinatowns are beginning to breathe some life again. Many ethnic Koreans have been supporting the Korean Chinese for the revitalization of Seoul's Chinatown. Overall, Koreans today in South Korea want to dismantle the xenophobic image that others have of them. They believe that their people have been oppressed for many decades by the Japanese and others which was the main cause of their deep hatred of outsiders, I don't know how far the Koreans have gone to welcome foreigners in their country, but I did hear of some improvements.

The reason why Park Chung Hee took steps to root out the Chinese Merchants in Korea during the 60's was because they became an economic threat to ethnic Koreans.

Bottled Up Anger of Koreans Monday, June 17, 2002 at 13:18:45 (PDT)

Confusion and clarifications,

i agree i cant understand the confusion about who looks chinese, japanese, or korean. all three groups all share the same bloodlines and look similiar, similiar culture. thats why they are united.
tavo Monday, June 17, 2002 at 12:55:29 (PDT)

"....which make your earlier assertion puzzling again. That is, if southern China is so diverse in dialects and ethnicities, just in what ways are the Japanese similar to Southern MAINLAND Chinese, especially those Cantonese speaking ones?"

Like I said before, Cantonese became the main dialect of Guangdong because 1)Guangzhou, which is the capital city of the region was founded by the Cantonese and 2) HK, which is an important commericial center, made Cantonese the official dialect of the area.

The Japanese are similar to the Guangdong Chinese because 1)they were deeply influenced by the West due to their early contacts with foreigners, 2)many left their homelands in the late 1800's and early 1900's for the West. Some left for educational reasons, others left to seek a better life, and finally, 3)in terms of Chinese culture, they were the most influenced by the Tang Dynasty.

Both the Japanese and the Guangdong Chinese were the 1st groups of Asians to settled outside of Asia.

Depends on how far back you see it. The Hoklos/Hakkas in Tawan have their ancestry originating from Fujian province and perhaps some from Eastern Guandong. Where do the same groups in HK came from? Mars? These groups from Taiwan and HK certainly had shared the same long history up until a few hundred years ago.

Yes, both HK and Taiwan absorbed certain groups of people with the same history, specifically the Hakkas and Hokkiens. However, these groups evolved differently and separately when they were absorbed in these 2 regions. For example, a Hakka living in HK and or in one of its nearby areas wouldn't be able to comprehend the dialect of the Taiwanese Hakkas.The same applies to any Chiu Chou/Hokkien speaker in the HK or Guangdong area trying to understand the Minnan dialect of Taiwan.

I'm looking for cultural factors when I ask how is the Japanese very similar to the Cantonese.

None..both groups have a history of contacts with Westerners and Westernization. Again, please read the above paragraphs.

Guangdong Chinese and Japanese Diaspora Monday, June 17, 2002 at 12:51:55 (PDT)

CAN ANYONE explain to me how INDIANS made it into the heart of asia. How come they dont look like anyone of us but yet they are next to all the oriental countries. So evolution might not be correct.
viet-stud-ly Monday, June 17, 2002 at 11:38:05 (PDT)

To "united Asia":

You don't need to check the DNA of Indians,(northern) Tibetans and Native Americans.- Watch their faces.Maybe you can reconstruct the proto-Asian by this way.The majority of the proto-Asians could have had low eyebrows, eyes relatively deep in the sockets, dark skin, thick straight and wavy black hair covering even parts of the forehead and a protuding mouth.
rare stuff Monday, June 17, 2002 at 11:12:15 (PDT)

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