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Taiwanese are easily better than other Asian groups and many other immigrant groups. Before we go to the US, like many japanese, we have already learned English!!!! It's because of other groups that we have to carry the stigma of the FOB. Other countires need to follow our example.
Hoklo Taiwanese Friday, June 28, 2002 at 08:18:03 (PDT)

Hey Hoklo Taiwanese,

When the Koreans lost according to one commentator of the world cup, no country was happier that japan. But never the less, TEAM KOREA lets go 3rd place!!! w00t w00t!!!!
Phil. Guy 20 Friday, June 28, 2002 at 07:11:52 (PDT)

To the traveller:

"The Annamite is of low stature, his limbs are short, his body well-made but ungraceful, his hair black and coarse, his mouth big, his lips thick, his nose flat, and his nostrils dilated. His skull is short and rather wide, his cheek-bones protrude, his eyes are lozenge-shaped, his complexion varies from brown to yellow."

The site www.newadvent.org is a biased towards Vietnam IMO. for example, it is so obvious they degrade negatively the physical attributes of annamites, depicting them as ugly, big mouthed, thick lipped (which is completely untrue, Vietnamese lips range from being average to thin and their lips are small, not big). even the southern Vietnamese are not ugly, they're slender, but not ungraceful or robust. Both north and south vietnamese don't have high cheekbones. And they're taller than Laotian and Cambodian. Whoever wrote that i think must be racist, or Vietnamese hater, pro-cambodian.

And Cambodian have Aryan characteristic ? Bullshit. They migrate from East India but belong to the Dravidian stock, not Aryan. It has also been said that they might be Javanese (South east asian). Go to Cambodia and Laos and see for yourself if anyone there look A little little bit caucasian! From what i have seen, viets are thinner than cambodians. cambodians and Thais are darker, more robust.

The site seriously lacks credit.

The guy who made this site may probably be a Cambodianwho hate/have biased opinions about Viets.

The first ruler of Vietnam are Chinese?
According to Vietnamese mythology, Lac Long Quan and Au Co, the first ancestry of Vietnamese are of "chinese" ancestry. Lac Long Quan is one of the sons of Shen Nung emperor. He occupied the southern territory and one of his brother occupied the Northen part of China. He married Au Co, daughter of the king of De Lai ( a nation located in Zhejiang). They had 100 sons. 50 of them go to the mountain, 50 to the sea.
Lac Long Quan is the son of Shen Nung who is chinese. That explains the Vietnamese migrated from what is now China. or Vietnamese and chinse are brothers. However it's only a mythology. But by analyzing it, you could say the first ruleres of Vietnam (Lac Long Quan, An Duong Vuong, Hung Kings,etc) belong to the same race as the anceint grass-roots vietnamese. The rulers are of Yueh descent which could habe been passed for chinese. Get it??
so it's like the yueh rule the yueh, not that the rulers are foreigners.

My advice: before introducing any website, check the accuracy and credibility first or you'll unmask yourself as truly ignorant, esp.if you are vietnamese and proclaim yourself to be knowledgable in Viet histroy!!!

The site is REALLY REALLY LAme Friday, June 28, 2002 at 01:06:33 (PDT)

To, the traveLLer;

And what puzzles me is the logic that is in your post. Ok, your saying that BOTH Nguyen Anh and Nguyen Hue, two people who were once enemies and fought against eachother, BOTH asked for the right to rule from china. So did the emperor of china just contradicted himself, by first supporting one person as king then the opposing warring faction? AND that the Nguyen family name was created to offset the chinese last names, and that before the dynasty there were no Nguyens, but from what you say the Mguyens should have been a force that supported the chinese. PLUS the fact that the Nguyen last name was one of the two warring factions of the Trinh vs. Nguyen wars which was BEFORE the Nguyen Dynasty. Also the fact that even then there was already a diversity in the Nguyen last name, meaning an evidence of different branches of this name. The Tay Son brothers were of no relations to Nguyen Anh, and were not even from the same province in vietnam, they have no contact with eachother, and even killed eachothers family off (literally). Not even to add in Nguyen Hue who also opposed Nguyen Anh, two men who opposed eachother, both, from your sites, said to have asked china for approval showing allegence to china, BUT both carrying the last name that SHOULDN'T have existed before the dynasty of the Nguyens, a name that was claimed to have been created during the dynasty and to oppose the chinese. C'mon, why the would someone even ask for approval when it is clear, if your origin theory of the Nguyen last name is true, that the name is a defiance of the chinese throne then why would two men both should be on the chinese side carry such a name? And what about Nguyen Binh Khiem? I think he lived during the Ly Dynasty, BUT before the Nguyen dynasty for sure... (can't remember)
General Viet Friday, June 28, 2002 at 00:56:16 (PDT)

"After this, this is an Asian AMERICAN website. Here in the US we don't even go around arguing with other other races, let alone our own race!"

You're one white-washed "American" with serious identity issues who has trouble relating to things non-American. And no, issues for this thread are by no means limited only to Americans.
Hoklo Taiwanese Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 22:30:11 (PDT)

To, the traveLLer;

NO vietnamese person who fought for the people commited treason! EVER, the vietnamese people have always fought for the vietnamese people. Unlike the chinese who fight for their monarch, how can someone commit treason when the 'monarch' isn't recognized by them? The chinese have always just been a few trespassers who came in and threatened us with their military to comply to their wishes.

As the legends have stated, every vietnamese person came from fairies and dragons. We're equal all equal, commoner and aristrocrat.
Yup Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 19:10:58 (PDT)

Just to say, if your right traveLLer.

Congradulation china on your great years of governing vietnam. You have served us SO well, that we were content on your ruling of us. You ONLY castrated our little boys, raped our women, and killed our men. Then restricted our language, then tried to mould us to what you are, but failed to make your language ours and our land yours. You did such a great job of pleasing the people and making us happy that you had to invade us to take our land instead to joining with us in a happy and good matter. And thank you, thank you so much for uniting the people against the chinese for many years. All our greatest heros have always fought against the chinese, if it weren't for you, our nation would have been a nation of peace loving freaks who never destroyed your army before. Thank you.
Yup Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 18:55:56 (PDT)

To, the traveLLer;

I've read many of their history books, or a friend read it then translated it to english about vietnamese history in china in some library. The thing that i noticed is how they were determined to take over vietnam and make it 'chinese' and make the vietnamese accept 'han' superiority once and for all. The 'chinese' may have taken our capital, but i don't care because never have they controlled the hearts of the people, not even the majority. The heart has always been in the people not the land, so i don't even know the point of your argument. I don't give a piece of necter, because what i learnt as a child was no matter what happens to the land, the heart of the people will always pump my blood. Territory can change, but my heart will never move (figuratively speaking of course, surgery can give me a new heart of course, you know what i mean, right?).

But the evidence you presented are vague, why should i care if they took our land? I'm trying to say that the people were never under chinese power, as they never once stopped to submit like our cantonese counterparts, we fought, and will continue to fight for our heartland.

Like why would Quang Trung ask the emperor of china before he destroys his army? Or even after why would be go to china to risk assassination?

The Nguyen last name was BEFORE the dynasty, have you heard of the Trinh and Nguyen wars? It happened before the dynasty. Also the Tay Son Nguyen family, he was against Nguyen Anh and Nguyen Hue, so why the heck would be change his 'true name' to that of his enemy? Tay Son, Nguyen Anh, and Nguyen Hue families show a diversity in the branches of the Nguyen family and it's heritage. From what your statement says, that the Nguyen family name didn't exist before the Nguyen Dynasty, then why was there that war, and a whole bunch of different Nguyen's fighting eachother?

Just saying. And paying tribute doesn't mean that your under another nations absolute rule, like babylonia and egypt. Egypt once paid tribute to babylonia just to stay on good terms, then what happens? Nothing, just that Egypt is still here...
General Viet Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 18:47:55 (PDT)

To, the traveLLer;

I've been to china by the way, i went on a vacation with a friend of mine, she visited her granmother for a few days then we went off to see the scenes. I kind of like vietnam better from the scenes, and food too, also the people (probably because i can't understand a word they're saying, but hey i had a translator). My friend said i was vietnamese to some of her family, and i'm pretty sure her friends wanted to kick my ass. Lol, so funny. But hey the great wall was awesome. Hmmm, the forbidden palace was great, huge... Been to HK, does that count as china? Then that would have been like 2 trips for vacation, but i rather go to vietnam...
General Viet Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 18:39:06 (PDT)

What i'm saying is that the vietnamese are vietnamese, the chinese are chinese. The hakka, and such are considered chinese because they have submitted to han rule under the han empire we so see today and call china. But the vietnamese as you can see have never given up in trying to govern themselves. Us chinese have failed to incorporate them into our nation directly, and so we forced them to do our bidding as a nation weaker then us, i find that a bit of an offence. Like tibet we shouldn't have stuck our noses into other peoples affairs, and homeland.

Hmmmm, ah whatever then, let them take care of their land.

What i want to add, is that today the vietnamese have what they wanted for thousands of years, official power to govern oneself. Let it be at that, why the heck would i care if i controlled their territory a few years back? I just lost it today.
Proud Canto-American Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 18:25:16 (PDT)

* right down to the nineteenth century, was asserted in regard to Vietnam�ese territory rather than the Vietnamese people*

Does that paragraph say what i wanted to say? The vietnamese people NEVER wanted chinese rule, EVER, it's just that the chinese were always too powerful, or even when we could stand up against them and succeed they'll just come at us again. Just like the fricken mongols who came at us three times, we beat them badly, but after that we would just pay tribute, it's a lot easier then let people die. I don't give a piece of cheese that they rule our land or not, since two thousand years ago, they kicked us out of fukien, then guangdong, i am not surprised if they push us even more south. But you know what? We will always be a united group of people who govern ourselves despite what others say, on the bottom surface the viets have never and will never willingly give up our freedom so we can be slaves and just sit there and cry. We have always tried to do something about it. France may have controlled the territory, but never have they controlled the people. Same with china. There have always been resistance.
Yup, it's me the guy from the beginning Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 18:21:11 (PDT)

The main point i was trying to say is that, the viets are independent from han decisions, i don't care what the government do, all i care about is what the people do. Your saying that Quang Trung is a role model because he went to china and asked for approval for crowning himself. C'mon he just destroyed china's army, AND Anh Nguyen too? C'mon they were warring factions at one time, why the heck would china approve both men? It's like supporting one person then another regime.

Plus, you keep on mentioning how important what china think of us is. I don't give a piece of cheese what china thought of our ruler, all i know is that we only have one leader, and he's not chinese. I don't give a damn who he asks for permission, at the end even if that permission isn't given, the leader will still be him. So why are you so strung up on saying that the chinese think our king is a landlord? Landlords check up on the land, he actually lead the people, there's a difference.

*the Nguyen kings recognized the symbolic authority of Beijing*

Like i said, a SYMBOLIC/figure head figure. It has no actual control.

*Manchu Tsing dynasty then reigning over China. The Tsing Emperor Kien-Jung, who harbored ambitions of reconquering Vietnam, charged Governor Ton Si-nghi (Soun Che-y) with mustering a force of 200,000 men for an invasion*

He 'harbored' an ambition to RECONQUER vietnam, that means at that time vietnam wasn't under china's direct influence or power.

*I have spoken to one reputable Vietnamese doctor who has invested great amount of time reading and searching for the real history of Vietnam.*

Can you give me the name of this doctor? If he is reputed, i shouldn't have a hard time finding him, i have a lot of family living in France, USA, Sweden, Canada, Vietnam, some in HK, and the UK. I might beable to find him on a trip to visit my family, plus it's the summer i have plenty of time.

*Just why is the treaty of 1874 signed by Tu Duc necessary when Vietnam is totally independent from China?*

Because the influence between both china AND vietnam is strong. The french noticed that, and wanted vietnam to be totally independent. China could have just came in and warred, that would have been their chance to reconquer vietnamese land. Look at Tibet, they brutally rejoined china with force. Because there were no papers to stop them, when the papers were signed, china had NO chance to say that vietnam WAS part of china or such to have an excuse to attack, because they have acknowledged it's independence from them.

I think it's Yup that you were talking to when you first posted here, i wasn't that person, i'm just replying for the hell of it.
General Viet Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 18:00:50 (PDT)

General Viet:

You posted, "Just a bit more examples of another nation taking over another, and using the language of the high class or winner to control the majority commoner. And NOW the commoners speak the language of the ruling class. So these examples kind of prove that you don't need to use the language of the commoner to rule the nation. The results of these nations were what the chinese WERE TRYING to do to vietnam, but it failed obviously, the vietnam language was restricted A LOT at first, then it was just outright banned. To try to get people to be loyal to the chinese emperor, instead of their ancestors. Ok think of mexico, think of brasil, think of peru. Now think of who's the majority in mexico, brasil, and peru. Who were the majority? The commoner and the natives there, also the blacks who were brought there as slaves, they combined were larger then all the aristocrats who ruled them or the businessmen. BUT they managed to changed the language spoken by these people to that of their own, like brasil now speaks portuguese, mexico spanish... etc... So what your saying IS logic, but not necessarily true. The chinese attempted to do with vietnam was the portuguese did to brazil, but FAILED. Because well, even the most powerful vietnamese men who were friends with the chinese help establish and spoke vietnamese in underground schools to keep the vietnamese language alive."

One question, how were the people in the old days? Were they barbarious? If they are, would they be killing all the local people that ethnically do not belong to them? If not, would they make these local people into slaves?

History shows that mankind in the old days was barbarous then nowadays. Often, after conquering an empire from another, massacre and slavery were brought to the extinction of the formal clan. +1,000 years of occupation, there is a lot of change, don't you think?

Lets go back to America for a minute. Here's the President of US standing in front of an audience.

Audience: "Mr. President, are you proud to be an American."

President: "You bet your live sav'r that I am. Our Country is the strongest in the world."

Audience: "Are the Founders of U.S.A., European?"

President: "Well history we are, but we are American and by blood we are a little different!"

Audience: "What do you mean by that? And how different are the American and the European?"

President: "Gee, good question. Well to be honest we, American, are different from the European, we have more of a mixture of ethinicity...just that!"

Audience: "What is so different then?"

President: "Well, we have many records that our native ancestors are not from Europe, our descendants are from the Mahican, Apache, comanche, and other indian tribes...that is what make us unique from the European. I believe I have 1/8 of Mohican blood."

Audience: "But you have more of an European blood, no? And your last name, does it derive from one of the European surname?"

President: "For your information, we are American. Look at Bill Richarson, he has an Anglo surname, but he has indian blood. How about Jesse Jackson? Although, we have been influence by the European, but we are not the same, I can prove this to you. Just go to the Smithsonian Institute, you will see that we have excavated many potteries and artifacts in 500 A.D., and I'm quite sure they are not from the European."

Audience: "Well then, how do you describe your relationship to Europe?"

President: "One thing for sure we share the fight against terrorist, but that is the most common thing as we can be."

Audience: "You mean to tell me that most of the senates and congressmen of the U.S. are not European Descendant?"

President: "By God sake, how many times have I told you? We are American, that is to say that we are distinct from the European. So have some logic, would you? Some of our words are different from the British...such as the word "Center", whereas the British and French are "Centre"...how about "soccer", their are "Football". There, have I answer your questions yet? And if you don't shut up, I'm going to nuke you."

Hee Hee! Just to let you see that lesser than 100 years of territory occupation could have some major differences,,,you get the point, I hope.

The TraveLLer Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 16:41:12 (PDT)

"What is there to elaborate? I've read all your posts and the other posts for the last few pages and all you do is argue with other Chinese."

Excuse me, but I simply don't like Southern Chinese people. I don't like Koreans, blacks, or Indians either so what?? It's a free world and I can think and say whatever I feel like!!!!!!
Hahahaha
Hoklo Taiwanese Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 15:37:46 (PDT)

Curved or straight is not the question,

Northeastern Han and their relatives have indeed their eyebrows like you described it and also very bushy if they grow.Those people in the Northeast with low eyebrows closer to the eyes are either mixed with Central Asians (proto-Uighur,not Persians)or with Dai.
rare stuff Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 14:58:57 (PDT)

To, the traveLLer;

You seem to be bent on the idea that the vietnamese emperors were approved by the chinese. BUT the bottomline was that in the end the PEOPLE of vietnam had control over who was the emperor of vietnam. I don't give about the ceremony, like Canada and the UK, the Canadian Prime Minister needs the 'approval' of the queen through the Governor General to be seated. BUT, in the end the Governor General and the Queen herself is a figurehead with no actual power over the governing of the empire of Canada. Canada can do whatever it want's like for example, IF in the future the UK had a war with the USA (very unlikely), Canada can choose sides with no predetermined sitting. Economically, the nation is free, and trade is made through the local order, not the queen. Vietnam and china at that time CAN be considered THE SAME WAY. I don't care if ALL the vietnamese kings went to china to ask for approval, at the end who actually CHOSE the leader? The vietnamese people, no chinese has ever put up a puppet ruler and had him stay there longer then a few years before he get's assassinated by a patriot. In response the chinese throne approves whoever is the choosen ruler of vietnam at that time, never the less if he's Quang Trung, who destroyed the chinese army in vietnam or not. He has to do his duty and approve him, becuase if he doesn't approve him then a small relationship is gone, but even if he doesn't Quang Trung would still have been the leader.

The thing that i find false is that Quang Trung DID NOT get approval from the chinese. Because Nguyen Anh got the approval, and Quang Trung got it too? C'mon conflict of ideas from a ruler? Quang Trung fought Nguyen Anh, so how the hell, and why the hell would the chinese elect a treasoner and a man to become ruler?

Also that Nguyen thing, have you ever heard of the trinh and nguyen civil war? it happened before the nguyen dynasty, before. and tay son was a peasant who had no connection with nguyen anh or quang trung (nguyen hue), but he was s different branch of nguyen. that shows a diversity of nguyens in itself.

after ngo quynh, the rulers of vietnam were all ethnically vietnamese. before that they were governers as vietnam was actually part of china.

and why do you care so much about what others consider our ruler? your bent on what the chinese say, i determine my leader, not a foreign body. even if the chinese killed nguyen anh and stood up and said they're ruling the nation straight out, would the vietnamese stand for it? no.

today vietnam wouldn't have a chance in a war against china, but back then vietnam was a fierce force of fighters. you can look up the mongolian invasions of vietnam, the last invasion was lead by kublai khan's son himself. with over half a million troops each attack of three times, each failed. remember that was the same army that took china into mongolian rule.

oh, and no i am not the person that replied to you in the beginning, i just picked up the conversation because it was getting boring.

Lol, my grandpa fought against the french in the second indochinese war, so YES i know this from oral history as well.

*BTW, the interviened toes "Giao Chi" is extinct, I work in the medical field and most, if not all, of the physician in Vietnam stated that that characteristic of toes no longer exist.*

As have been stated there are are more then 3 types of Red River Delta peoples feet. I don't even know what Giao Chi feet was, BUT i assumed you were speaking of the Delta feet. The Delta feet is still around, but in concentration to the north. i am living proof of it, BUT i don't know what the hell Giao Chi feet is. My feet can be described as having the second toe longer then the first, with a bit more space between the toes, some people say that they can't fit their feet in a shoe, i do it fine, it's not to the extreme like others have said.
General Viet Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 14:21:34 (PDT)

General Viet,

If I were you, I need to invest some times in learning Chinese or old Vietnamese. Most of the vietnamese world derived from the Chinese...except for a few the basic one. The modern language used different dialect from the Chinese but most can be written in chinese character.

Tone and accent differences are due to regional. For example, even when speak, the central Vietnamese has many different word use by the Northern and the Southern Vietnamese. Sometimes, if you are a Northern or a Southern Vietnamese, you cannot understand what the central Vietnamese are speaking.

So your Vietnamese language arguement is rather weak.

Be well

The TraveLLer Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 13:10:10 (PDT)

Hey Annam Guy,

Are you sure that king Tu Duc didn't ask the Chinese emperor for help?

I see one person who has not spend enough time in reading his own history. Sad...so sad.
The TraveLLer Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 12:53:37 (PDT)

ABC in New York,

"No, but Chinese are jealous, I'm sure of that..."

What are you talking about? Personally, I've noticed that Chinese people are generally supportive of the Korean team, and most of the Chinese I personally know really want Korea to win (because they see the Korean team as fellow asians). But on the other hand, it seems that the players in the Korean team really isn't that skilled anyway, so there isn't really that much to be jealous about.
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"Nahhh, they need to only remember the Chinese team."

Hoklo Taiwanese,

I know you're such a superior Taiwanese person yourself, but it doesn't actually make you look good to mock Chinese. It's funny because your remark came out of nowhere as if you've been just waiting for this chance.

Also, I've read your posts to the Japanophile person, and although I have to admit that you've made a few very good points, you seem to aruge not for the sake of enlightening people, but rather for malicious reasons due to your biased Chinese-hating views.

elisa Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 12:42:43 (PDT)

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