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Hey Traveller,

As you know my nick is An Nam Guy, then you go: “Annam was always a vassal to China” LOL.

As I honestly told you my last name is Nguyen, then you responded with more offensive: “Most of Nguyen Kings in Annam are the puppet of the French” LOL.

As I honestly told you my real hero is Quang Trung (Nguyen Hue), then you responded with more insults: “Tay Son brothers (Nguyen Hue) did not know the policy. They are peasants. They are considered mountainous robbers” LOL.

You (Brazil) score 3 and I (An Nam) score Zero. Hmmm.

You must eat too much Chinese food or something. My advice to you is stop travelling to China (*as soon as you can*) and eat more Vietnamese pho please.

Can you identify yourself please? Are you Chinese or Vietnamese? Mixed?

But I have to agree with you about Emperor Quang Trung who recruited many ethnic Chinese who “pro Ming anti Qing” in his army. Many were masters in martial arts. Ethnic Chinese scattered everywhere in the kingdom of Vietnam not only in Cholon, Saigon. Another factor that contributed to his victory over Qing army (said to be 200,000 strong) is the attacks came during the Chinese New Year (Vietnamese Tet) when Qing and Vietnamese troops (pro Trinh Lord and King Le) in the north were relaxing. After the battles, Quang Trung troops found the body of Qing general Sam Nghi Dong (said to hang himself because of the defeat) in Hanoi. Quang Trung himself saluted and ordered his troops to bury the Qing general. Vietnamese tradition is to respect the death no matter he is friend or enemy.

I agree with someone (Is it Yup?) who mentioned Quang Trung replaced the Chinese (Han) language with Nom in the kingdom of Vietnam. Nom language is modified Chinese with one or more marks and make it unreadable to Chinese. But to learn Nom, you have to know Han. Quang Trung is the only King in Vietnam history used Nom language as its official languange. But his Dynasty did not last long (less than 10 years). Later, when King Gia Long (Nguyen Anh) took power, Chinese was again official written language in the kingdom of Vietnam (1802-1945).

BTW, I just asked a Chinese man, native of Shanghai, in his 50s about the surname Nguyen. He said there are many Chinese who carry last name Nguyen in China. I was numb! How could it be coincident??? How do you explain this? Like my Quang Trung, I don’t want to have anything to do with Chinese period. (j/k)

Be well.

An Nam Guy, a descendant of Emperor Quang Trung (Nguyen Hue) Monday, July 01, 2002 at 09:47:31 (PDT)

Suppose that Coreans do have a lot genes shared via Chinese men migrating and invading to Corea in the past? So what?

I am Chinese myself and know that people are their own if they so choose to be.

I am Cantonese, and some of my true ancestors may have been Yueh who mixed with the invading Tang Chinese to become who we are today. My ancestors chose to be Chinese. Many Chinese of Shandong and Beijing are of Dong-yi (Korean) stock who got conquered and intermarried with the Shang and Zhou Chinese. They too, chose to become Chinese. But, the modern Vietnamese and Coreans resisted this pressure to join the Middle Kingdom race, so they are still different even if their DNA does still show them to be close to the Han Chinese.

Some things cannot be determined through genes. Nationhood and cultural identity goes beyond that. We, as Chinese have to respect that. Even if Coreans have no genetic basis to claim kin with Mongols and Manchus, it is still their choice and preference. Only God knows who their real fathers maybe?
We are all different and same Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 23:47:22 (PDT)

I'm Chinese, and I am sure that it does not matter if you are Corean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Filipino, etc. We are all Asian and we suffer from the same racist jokes, images, etc. I can relate to the insults even if I am not from the intended targeted nationality. READ ON:

GERMANS' RACIST ATTACK ON CUP RIVALS
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=11979100&method=full&siteid=50143

From Allan Hall In Berlin

GERMANY'S biggest selling newspaper published a string of racist attacks on World Cup opponents South Korea yesterday.

On the eve of today's semi-final in Seoul, Bild Zeitung portrayed the Asian nation as workaholic, alcoholic, dysfunctional dog-eaters.

And it even poured scorn on their rivals' wedding tackle.

Bild told its 11 million readers: "The Koreans on average have sex lasting for 13 minutes while the Germans make it last four minutes longer. And they have penis envy.

"Yes, it's true. The Asian has 13.97cm when erect, less than the European 16.51cm. No wonder they know Europeans as long noses."

The influential tabloid does praise the South Koreans' 43-hour working week routine - eight per cent more than in other Asian countries.

But, unlike Germans of course, they like a beer at the end of a busy day.

"They drink a lot," Bild said. "They sweat a lot. But their sweat doesn't smell because they eat so many vegetables."

When they're not eating dogs, that is. On top of all that they have the world's fourth highest divorce rate behind the US, Australia and UK, Bild said.

South Korea's Dutch coach Guus Hiddink hit back last night: "We're happy to let the rest of the world discuss us, with or without sense. We are just focused on beating Germany."

And a spokeswoman for the country's embassy in Berlin beamed: "I am sure we shall see how manly Korean men are on the football pitch."

Let's see the bigger picture of things Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 22:55:02 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Posted by "The site is REALLY REALLY LAme"

"The Annamite is of low stature, his limbs are short, his body well-made but ungraceful, his hair black and coarse, his mouth big, his lips thick, his nose flat, and his nostrils dilated. His skull is short and rather wide, his cheek-bones protrude, his eyes are lozenge-shaped, his complexion varies from brown to yellow."

From what i see your site IS VERY BIASED AND NON-VALID BECAUSE OF IT'S PREJUDICE AND SUCH. IF it had true knowledge on the vietnamese people i think it would have atleast stated that there are many attributes depending on region. The north (with less contact with the khmer and cham) is A LOT lighter, BUT has a feet thing, they are leaner, a bit taller, and a bit well kind of like all the younger vietnamese singers in Van Son and Paris by Night, most of them are from northern ancestry and by far the north has a lot of hatred for chinese, Ho Chi Minh trusted the chinese, suspicion fell upon his trust, and in 1979 the suspicions were right also the fact that there are ENTIRE villages filled with PURE chinese, who didn't mix with viet becuase they're shut out of viet society, they're not accepted at all, even a superstition was spread since the Trung Sisters time, and also the governer before her persecuted chinese loyalty (even though he himself was probably chinese) so he could have spread that rumor ahead of the Trung Sisters. The south, is darker, but has a chinese bone structure to them, they tend ot have more of a band bao circle face, and other chinese attributes. The central and southeast can be described the same as the north and south, because there are a variety of communities.

Although the above is also a generalization it IS MORE ACCURATE as the generalization from the site isn't even close, it's from what people see viets in america, because as a fact MOST of the descendents of viets in america are from the south, hence the attributes. BUT if he was a viet historian for real he would have atleast travelled and knew that it's not even true the moment he travels a bit north or east from the south.
General Viet Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 20:08:57 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Seeing that it's true... I know the question wasn't directed at me, but seeing that he probably won't reply, as he doesn't even have a regular name, but instead is probably a passer byer. EVERY nation started with legends to start out with, EVERY nation had it's legends of origin. The Trung sisters speeches referred to the Hung Kings, even that legend itself reached that far back...

Also, you seem to not refer to the site you posted up. It refers to the vietnamese people as short and ugly, that shows how biased and inaccurate it is, because if it truly know about the vietnamese people it would have broken the physical looks into atleast three regions, with the north being lighter and such like that. You should reply and justify on such biased info, but all i see is an insecurity to answer such questions.

Original post by "The site is REALLY REALLY LAme"

"The Annamite is of low stature, his limbs are short, his body well-made but ungraceful, his hair black and coarse, his mouth big, his lips thick, his nose flat, and his nostrils dilated. His skull is short and rather wide, his cheek-bones protrude, his eyes are lozenge-shaped, his complexion varies from brown to yellow."

Can you say from what he found on that site, that it is even close to being valid anymore? Especially with obvious biases on it. Of course the site he was refering to was www.newadvent.org , which in one of your replies had MANY MANY quotes from. He was MAINLY refering to that from what i can understand, why did you refer to what he sees as small details but instead don't try to reply to details that destroys your resources for replys in the first place?
Yup Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 20:01:21 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

C'mon also about the treaty, you didn't really give me a site that explains the treaties without biased. Like you said, it was an essay on the treaty that you gave me, in essays you have to choose a side, either by explaining both sides then wooping one of them down, or just presenting one. Without a debate both sides CAN NOT be represented fairly, how i interpret it is what i think, how the essay writer interpret it is how he sees it... In an essay you have an objective to prove something, and only one person writes it, the side your trying to prove is undoubtably going to have the advantage of swaying the reader, while the side your rebuting won't as you probably won't show the other side with full prospect of the ideas.

Can you give me a site to the ORIGINAL treaty? I will read it and see what it says on my own, without an editorial written for an essay.
General Viet Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 19:46:55 (PDT)

"Man, I can't believe the BS on this topic. Can't we all just get along? In America most people just see us as "asian" or "oriental". I cheer for Ichiro, Chan Ho Park, and Yao Ming."

First, America is not the world. Second, knowing the differences among these groups of Asians is also respecting them.

Hoklo Taiwanese Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 19:46:29 (PDT)

"As we were conversing, they were really surprised at how much I knew about China/Chinese history. In return, they virtually knew nothing about Korea/Korean history."

Ahhh, so the main point was that they expected you not to know too much about China. So I ask you, why/how did you know so much about China?

Afterall, you all know that none of you majored in history. Then, isn't it only natural that the Chinese couple didn't expect you to know so much about China? Do you really think ordinary non-history folks should be expected to know as much about Korea as you do China?

Hoklo Taiwanese Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 19:29:57 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

I had trouble recognizing the word "Giao Chi" because i recognize it as the province of which china named vietnam after it was conquered. The name that followed Nam Viet. Plus when i refer to the funny feet i refer to the style of the Dong Son and the Red River Delta. The delta feet is still around, i don't know the relations between the Giao Chi feet and the Delta feet, but i probably can guess that they're probably the same. There are atleast three types of Delta feet, one where the second two is longer (with a bit of space not alot, i have it), another where the feet are spread out to the extreme with circular tips, and some other where i forgot. The reason why i believe the theory of vietnamese origin from the Delta is because of recent escavations which see that the longer second toe was around during the Son Vi culture (22 000 BC) and on from it's descendents, while the other Delta feet was found later on, probably merchants from the Sa Huynh or another culture as it's not as common at that time even today. The northern vietnamese have the Delta feet as a by far majority, my type of feet (for an example, from what i saw when i went to north vietnam) can be found in like every 19 out of 20 people i saw.

Also like i said, who controls the people is the leader. You said so in your post. I'm still pretty sure the vietnamese controlled their foreign affairs also (as you yourself say) vietnam's internal affairs with it's own people. Because as you can see even when china considered white people detestable, the vietnamese had missionaries like Alexander de Rhode in vietnam, immigration or movement of people in and out of a nation is part of foreign affairs, also some trade with the french. Like i said, i don't care what someone outside the control of the people say, at the end of the side, the emperor of the PEOPLE, is a vietnamese person chosen by the people, and the chinese through history has never (except for some cases) chosen our leader, if so a war usually breaks out VERY soon. Even if Quang Trung didn't ask to be crowned, he would have done it anyways, if Nguyen Anh didn't ask to be crowned he would have been anyways, if *place a viet emperor/leader* wasn't approved he would have been a ruler any ways. Plus ALL the most notable of all vietnamese rulers fought against a foreign body especially the chinese. You have this mentality that what others think of us is more important, NO it is not, in the end result they DON'T have and NEVER did have control over the people, just the piece of land, there has always been resistance to become self sufficient and self controlled.
General Viet Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 19:16:51 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Ah man, i didn't mean it in the way that i believed in a fairy tale! I meant in the way that we are all equal because of a common ancestry to belief. We viets believe that we're all equal, not like the chinese who believed that the emperor was a god, and the people here to serve him. I brought up the tale to show that even in our subconscious we believe that we are equal to eachother; peasant and leader...

What i was trying to show is the psyche of the human mind and how it worked, not to believe in a bed time story. To show logic through example is a skill, can't believe you didn't see that. I guess next time i have to explain, passage by passage then...
Yup Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 19:03:03 (PDT)

Hafti,

He was just an imposter using my handle. What made him do that and what his background is anyone can probably guess it right.

Hoklo Taiwanese Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 18:59:48 (PDT)

T.H. Lien,

You actually tried to look for data to disprove what that imposter said. Hahaha. Anyway, calm down.
Hoklo Taiwanese Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 18:52:02 (PDT)

Geveral Viet,

The feet that you descibed upon your body parts are not considered to be "Viet Nam Giao Chi". Please ask any Vietnamese historian...your descriptive feet of your body parts are probably from the "muong", considered to be one of the ethnic indian tribes that live in the northern and mountain region of Vietnam, near the red delta river. You are not the majority of "Viet" population if you said that your feet resemble that, the pure Viet had "Giao Chi" feet...there is also a city by that name to commemorate their pure root . Sorry to break your heart.

If you are angry, there is nothing I can. I'm trying to not engage in a hostile debate; however, I have provide you many sources to Vietnam as a protectoral territory to China, or a vassal, that you and your cronies seem to not take it in a mature way.

Don't insult anyone if you don't know anything about that person background.

If you want to converse in an open minded dialogue then I'm all ears, but I will refrain from exchanging conversation if you continue being immature.

Be well

The TraveLLer Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 18:33:12 (PDT)

Yup:

After reading your post again, I can see the point here. there are southern chinese first names that their northen brothers don't have.

One more thing about www.newadvent.org:

They said a lot of Vietnamese folklore, ballad,.. derive from khmer culture!!! i have to laugh at the ignorance of the writer. To say Vietnamese culture as a whole are widely influenced by khmer culture is already false. They have no basis to say the ballads were of khmer origin. "Cai luong" gets influence from chinese. "Quan ho" in the north has nothing to do with things khmer. ONly the deep south region where khmer people live has khmer folklore, songs, ballads,etc...
The site is REALLY REALLY LAme Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 15:37:33 (PDT)

"You are seen as a FOB because you are Asian. It doesn't matter if you are born in the US or not"

I don't live in the US. I am in Taiwan. Notice how perfect my English is. That's because we already know English here. Why don't other countries try it? Then they wouldn't bring us down.
Hoklo Taiwanese Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 15:29:37 (PDT)

None of you people know what you're talking about. In the 1960s-1970s, the US adopted immigration laws to keep out immigrants. However, there was an exception to these laws. Educated, computer-efficient upper class, English speaking Asians were allowed to go in the US. Where did these Asians all come from???
TAIWAN.
They wanted us to come in. They wanted to keep the Cantonese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Philiipineans OUT.

Hoklo Taiwanese Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 15:22:00 (PDT)

"Tell me, who were the ones that wrote the legendary history of Vietnam at first? Was that the Vietnamese or the westerner? Were the Vietnamese the ones who wrote their history based on legend an myth? If that is the case...then who is to blame?

Lastly, can you name us the one(s) that wrote the Vietnamese history based on fairy tale? I await your answer, thank you.
The TraveLLer "

Are you Vietnamese? If you are,why are you so ignorant about the story that any 4 year old viet kid would know?

It was written by the Vietnamese thousands years ago, not Westerner.

IT IS NOT FAIRY TALE!!!!

I can see you were desperately find ways to defend yourself, despite you claiming your knowledge background. You asked me a question you already knew the answer. Yes it's a mythology. However it's not a fairy tale, as you've stated. Can you distinguish fairy tale and legend/mythology?*sigh*?This is not a fairy tale! you're just lost here!

I agree mythology/legends are not definite source for valid historical evidences, since they were created by the common folks, based on historical facts and somewhat laced w/ mythological elements, then orally pasted down through generation. However, I listed them as one of the things we can base on to extract and analyze historical facts. I have to say that the story has more to do with history than it does with myth. If you ever visit Vietnam, you could see tombs of Lac Long Quan, An Dung Vuong,...temples in which they worship Shen Nung emperor. What does it mean? It is obvious the detail such as they had 100 sons is blatantly inaccurate. But Lac Long Quan and Au Co were not fictious persons. They are true historical figures! A lot of their lineage books were still kept in Vietnam, wether you want to believe it or not.

Probably, if if i didn't pick this legend as a proof, what i have said would have more validity. As the genes and physiological traits indicate, Vietnamese are the yueh or descendants of the yuehs. The first rulers are from the southern part of China. They are the yuehs.

Now, if you're bent on asserting the first rulers were chinese, according to mthology sources also, could you tell me who wrote that, or that was the samw person that wrote about annamites people in the site newadvent.org? The source said based on LEGEND STORY, the first rulers of Vietnam are chinese, then you stated the first rulers in VN were chinese in one of your previous post. SO didn't you rely on legends again? how ironic. If that was legend, it would have nothing to do w/ the Qin generals who rule Vietnam this I'm pretty sure, since much of wat happened during that era was written down by chinese historians. The previous and first rulers must be Lac Long Quan, An Duong Vuong, Hung Kings which were proved to be true figures in Vietnamese history by lineage books, tombs, temples, statues,historical relics, Vietnamese annals,etc...

Please be noted that your source said "the fist rulers of ANnamites were chinese, according to Vietnamese legends", that is why i use the story, the legend to counterargue this point, . Did you rely on what they told to state "the first rulers of Annamites were chinese", as stated in your previous post?if so i had to rely on myth/legend to prove that according to the legends, the first rulers were the yuehs. It's the person that wrote about VN in newadvent.org that brought up a fact based on myth first, and u rely on that to back up your statement. Did you rely on myths then? I only use the legend to prove that if he indeed read that story the writer was ignorant to think the first ruleres were chinese.

Yup:
I wouldn't conclude the Chinese first name come from Vietnamese name. WHat you said is interesting, but it could be possible it was derived from the Northern Han chinese. I'm not sure really.
To the Traveller: You must be questioned first Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 14:43:15 (PDT)

"United Asians",

you're confusing men with nations.It is a proven fact that those who suffer and develop their own rules by their dayly struggle for survival are the most manly.I don't know if there are many manly Chinese,but the Chinese have still the reputation of sophisticated scholars,thus they are culturally spoilt through their past.And who is generally spoilt by the men? -Females.
China conserves the most ancient culture having survived until today,but what is the conservative,what the innovative gender? -Males are innovative and females conservative.

rare stuff Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 14:36:43 (PDT)

To One Korean Man: You say,

"[Korean DNA is closest to those of Manchus/Uighurs/Kazakhs/Buriats(a Mongolian tribe found in Manchuria. Believed to have moved there after Mongol Dynasty fell about 600 years ago)/Mongolians(Inner/Outer)/ETC. Period.]"

Uighurs and Kazakhs don't even cluster that close with Mongols. They are midway between Europe and northern Asia.

"[Northern Chinese is closest to Hui people.]"

It is so obvious that Hui people are for the most part Han Chinese who adopted Islam. But, some of them do have heterogenous paternal genetic markers (Y chromosome). It is said that close to 14% of their Y chromosomes (paternal) may have been from Middle East or Central Asia. It was merchants and troops from West and Central Asia who spread this religion into China during the Mongol Yuan rule.

"[Also they are very close to Mongolians. Actually, Northern Chinese are genetically closer to Mongolians than they are to Koreans. Mongolians stand somewhere at mid-point between the Han Chinese and Koreans. All in all, Northern Chinese cluster together with various ethnic groups in Northeast/Central Asia.
Southern Chinese -- although they are closely related to their northern brethren -- actually cluster together with people in Thailand/Burma/Southeast Asia(Vietnam/etc.)]"

These were studies done by Western geneticists who focused only on mtDNA and failed to examine haplotypes.

"[Why can't the Chinese accept the obvious truth??]"

Why can't the Koreans accept the obvious truth?
genes don't matter, we are all still distinct as ethnic and cultural group(s) Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 13:34:45 (PDT)

One Korean Man,

>>>The Y-chromosome (the paternal lineage) test only tells me that compared to Taiwanese males (what, 95%?) Korean males (82%?) did have more non-Asian fathers, e.g., Ainus/Dravidians/even a few Aryans/God knows what else. That's it.<<<

No. That study was not only about Taiwanese males. Those Korean geneticists borrowed samples from various Chinese universities from all over China (north and south). Haplotype 7 is shared by 95% of all Chinese, 82% of all Koreans and 45% of all Japanese. It is also over 60% among Cambodians. Mongols only have 30-35% of it. This already shows that the paternal lines of Chinese and Koreans are more similar than it is to Mongols. And the non-Asian fathers you attribute to Koreans is wrong too. The other haplotype next common to Koreans is the Haplotype 5. It is shared by 15% of all Koreans and a similar number for Japanese. It is noticably absent among the Chinese. However, among the Mongols, Haplotype 5 is shared by close to 60% of the populace. So, we can only say that the Ural-Altaic (Mongol/Manchu/Tunguz)genes of both Koreans and Japanese is only 15% (paternally).

You also mentioned the Uigurs in one genetic test. Their DNA is highly variable. It is actually midway between Caucasoids and East Asians. Their closest genetic neighbors are the Persians, Mongols and Han Chinese (northwestern ones). They share 4 genetic markers with Koreans and even 6 with Taiwanese (southern Han people). In China, the Uigurs are even themselves genetically diversified depending on which region of the province of Xinjiang they come from. The northern Uigurs (Urumqi, Aksu)share more genes with Kazakhs and Mongols. The Western Uigurs (Kashgar, Khotan) are more similar to Persians. The Eastern Uigurs (Turfan, Hami, Kucha, Yarkand) are more similar to Han Chinese genes. Uzbek DNA is even more puzzling. The Uzbeks mtDNA is 45% close to the Kazaks and Mongols, while its paternal DNA (Y Chromosomes) share more with the neighboring Persian-speaking Tajiks.

If you have the site for Koreans DNA being close to Central Asians (Uigurs, Kazaks, Kyrgyz) please provide it for us. Because I have yet to see one based on my knowledge. Central Asian DNA does not even cluster with northern Asian ones. They are biracial.

The other 2% of Korean paternal DNA may have come from non-Asian sources as you mentioned (Dravidian, Dutch, Arab). Who knows?

Koreans only true connection with Ural Altaics maybe on their maternal side (mtDNA).

The Dong-yi were driven out of Shandong by the Han Chinese. It would not be surprising if Kija and his followers could have usurped or militarily outright conquered an existing Dong-yi kingdom (Tangun Chosun) in Korea. More likely, he and his band must have imported a very high material and technological culture that enabled them to rule over Korea. But, they did not alter the locals' already existing language and customs. They simply contented themselves to rule and to try and base its structure on the old Chinese (Shang) models. Even scholars agree that around the time of the fall of Shang, there were movements of people from that direction (from China proper to the East, meaning Korea, Manchuria, Siberia and Pacific Ocean). And, Korea at that time witnessed a sudden dramatic change in its material culture, technology and agriculture. Very similar to what happened in Japan a thousand years later with the Yayoi infusion/intrusion. It is said that 9 Shang princes (including Kija) fled east.

In the past as it is now, it was very common for the ruling elites to spread its genes far and wide (directly and indirectly). So, one can only speculate why Chinese and Korean paternal genes show such close parallels?
not surprised Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 13:17:46 (PDT)

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