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GV,

Can you back this statement of yours, " It is said that the Yueh moved south, but they WERE openly killed in several occations of which at many times making them an even smaller minority group. But the Dong Son reigned on and on, traditions and such were carried on. Stories were mixed with some Yueh ones but, most of the viet stories today can be proven by the evidence in escavated sites in vietnam today. "?

There are ample evidences that the Dong Son did decreased in size. Further, throughout history, there were multitude of migration waves from the north, China. I have yet to encounter any sources that stated the "Yueh/Viet" were mostly perishing or decrease in size along the way to the south. It's mostly the Dong son population that were gradually decreased in number, not the other way around. Perhaps, you may mistake that the "Viet/Yueh" were the Dong Son. Some records indicated that the "Yueh/Viet" did assimilated with the Dong Son, but that the Yueh are greater in number. Further, 1000 years of Han domination, there were a lot of Han that moved to the area and became "Vietnamization"(sic). Thus, when I was in Hanoi and Hai Phong, I saw many that resemble those Chinese in the Northern provinces (ie: Beijing), with little darker complexion but that is probably due to the climate. In the US, many North Vietnamese look so indistinguishable from the Taiwanese and the Chinese (mainland from the North). We perform I.N.S. examination and see little different between the North Vietnamese and the N. Chinese, except language barrier.

I doubt that the Dong Son's are the major contributor to the modern Vietnamese population.
The TraveLLer Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 10:07:59 (PDT)

Dear General Viet,

What do you take me for? I've been to Vietnam 3 times already. Last year, I spent nearly 2 months traveling from South to North. Vietnam is not only my destination, I've been to Thailand, Malaysia, Tahiti, China, Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia, Jamaica, Venezuela, Brazil, Egypt, Mexico, Canada, England, Swiss, Germany, Netherland, Italy, and, of course, France (every year). In Europe, the culture is to live for travel.

Further, don't think that you know more about Vietnam then I do. Yet, first you posted that Vietnam was never a territory or a vassal of China after 940 A.D. Then, you state that Quang Trung would never seek approval from the Emperor of China, in which he did.

Funny, but after reading "Looking Away's" posts, with the website that he provided(http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/ealc/faculty/dutton/TSHome.html). It seems that even the History of Quang Trung was written nearly parallel to what I have posted. I didn't spend more than 10 years researching my Country's history for nothing. I first choked when I read Vietnam was never 100% independent from China. Unlike you, who seemed to deny and rejected the idea, I continued to search for more sources, from French, Chinese, Vietnamese and English versions.
I can read and write Vietnamese, Chinese, French and English. At least, I'm not blinded by one side of the story. Yes, most of the Vietnamese version are basically about Vietnam and its pride. I, however, tend to chose a differewnt path...to read and see from different angles and aspects...to try formulate into a chronology order based on logical evidence...to find the most scientific explanation.

After stumbled onto many Vietnamese writers, what I found was patriotism among the writers. That's great, but that isn't what I want to read. What I want is real history, not coming out from a patriotism but rather fact. Majority of time you would run into those writers who cannot read their ancestor's writing. This is sad, isn't it? So I invested my time to learn how to read and write Han language. What I found is that more than 80% of Vietnamese language derived from the Chinese language.

Here's some example to convert:

Vietnamese = Mandarin. (emphasis in pinyin)
"T" ususally pronouce as a "CH"(in pinyin is "Q") or "Zh"
"TH" = "TS" or "SH" (Pinyin usually is a "C")
"H" = ususally "X", with exception.
"V" = "W"
"Ng" = "Y", with exception.
"Tr" = "Zh" or "Ch"
most ending in "am" = "in"
most ending in "uong" = "ang"

Here some examples: "Ha lau" in madarine is "Xa Lau" -- descending the floor.
"Thuong Hai" = "Shang Hai" --city.
"Bao Trong" = "Bo Zhong" --take care.
"Tien Bo" = "Zhen Bu" --Accelerate.
"Thanh Thi" = "Q(Ch)ing Zhi" --City.
"Phuong Phap" = "Fang Fa"--saolution.
"Khoc" = "Ku" --Cry.
"Bi" = "Bei" -- to be (ie: arrested and etc.)
"Thong Minh" = "Zhong ming"--intelligent.
"Cac Vi" = "Ke Wei"--everyone.

These are the basic foundation. However, there're always an exception to the rule.

Be well.
The TraveLLer Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 02:00:12 (PDT)

GV:

Lac Long Quan, Au Co were actually real people. I'm readed a book entitled "Legend or the truth: Dragon-Fairy Origin" byVo Trong Thai and other authors. The book incluide lineage books of Lac Long Quan, Hung Kings.

In this book, they list names of 50 long Quan Thuy Tinh (Hung lAn Lang, Vien Lang Vuong, Khuong Lang Vuong,.....), 50 Son Tinh (Huong Lang QUan, Viet Lang QUan, Than Lang Quan,....), however it would take quite a time to list 100 names here. LOL

Here are some important facts i wpuld copy for you to read.., some parts i would write in Vietnamese.The Hung kings were actually direct descendants of Lac Long Quan (who is of course the birth father of the first king)

This lineage book is now kept inVan Noi, Thanh Oai, Ha Tay.

1. Kinh Duong Vuong-ten la Loc Tuc tu Phuc Loc
2.Lac Long Quan- ten la Sung Lam tu Phuc Tho.
3. Hung Quoc Vuong - ten la Lan Lang tu Phuc Tam
3. Hung Hien Vuong - ten la Nhan Duc Lang
5. Hung Hoa Vuong - ten la Nhan Duc Lang.
....................
................
17.Hung Tao Vuong - ten la Duc Quan Lang.
18. Hung Don Vuong - ten la Bao Quang Lang.
19. Hung Due Vuong - ten la Hue Lang.

The Hung dynasty lasted for 2860 years.

There are also the list of names of 50 Thuy Tinh generals, 50 Son tinh generals. I thought Son Ting and Thuy Tinh were fictional people, but the truth is they were also real.
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The 100 sons story was created in order to consolidate the unity of Vietnamese people, convincing them they qwere in from the same family. The legend has symbolic signification but not tell the truth.Actually the author mentions there are 2 kinds of lineage books. One was written down with great accuracy and kept secretly. The other was handed down in form of folklore, thus it might have been distorted.
The folklore copy of the lineage book is now kept in PHu Tho, and the original copy that is written pretty accurately is now kept in Ha Tay by a Nguyen family).

Another excerpt:

[The firstruler of Hong Bang (Viet Nam) was Kinh Duong Vuong, descendants of King Phuc Hy and Than Nong (chinese name is Shen Nung). He was married to Dang Ngan, daughter of King of DOng Dinh (Dong Dinh was a province in Hubei OR hUNAN, I DON'T remember exactly). Her tomb is in Xich Ha, Van La. SHe had 5 sons: Nguyen Nghiem (Phuc Nghiem), Nguyen Quyen (Phap Quyen), Thien Hau (Phap Vu), Nguyen Khoan (Phuc Tho) WHO IS Lac Long Quan, Nguyen Hue ( Phap DIen )
Note: interesting to know the last name Nguyen exsted ling before chinese came to Vietnam. Nguyen is a Viet name.

AU Co, a daughter of De Lai,granddaughter of De Nghi, who belong in the second Nguyen family in O Chau, Coi Ke( which is now ZHe Jiang, China). According to Linh Nam Chich Quai by Tran The Phap, her name is Can Nguyet Tien.

According to Hung Kings linega book by Le Dai Hanh, Lac Long Quan had 9 official wives ,118
prices, 219 princesses. Au Co was his first wife.

Lac Long Quan occupied 15 regions, from Hubei (North of Yangtze) to Hunan, Zhejiang, Guizhou, Yunnan, FuJian.

To get a tighter grip on the country, he divided the country into two great regions: SOn Tinh And Thuy Tinh.

Van Lang was the name Lac Long Quan gave to the country.
Viet Flava Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 23:53:07 (PDT)

Historically speaking, there was only 4 great Asian leaders to have seriously threaten invasion of the West (all Europe).

One was the Chinese Han Dynasty general Ban Chao in the 100 ADs. His armies chased the Huns all the way into what is now the Ukraine (on borders of Roman Empire). From there, he turned back after inflicting serious loss of life on the Huns. He did not engage the Romans. It would have been interesting if he made such an attempt. Could Han Chinese have conquered Europe.

The second great Asian leader was Attila the Hun. Around the mid-400 ADs, his rule over Slavic and Germanic tribes posed a great threat to both eastern and western Roman empires. The West Roman empire was on its heels throughout Attila's reign and only a draw at the Battle of Chalons (in France) did the Huns failed to topple the Roman order in Europe.

The third, and perhaps the most likeliest to have conquered all Europe was Batu Khan (the grandson of Genghis Khan). His armies were defeating German knights left and right in Poland and Hungary. Had it not been for the death of Grand Khan Ogodei, Batu might have rode all the way into the Atlantic unopposed. But, Mongols saw no need for Europe other than hunting ground and occasional warfare. Back then, Europe was nothing.

The last was the Ottoman Turkish Sultan Suleiman. His armies were only stopped by a desperate Polish king in Vienna, Austria.
what if? Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 23:12:28 (PDT)

Are Mexicans an Asian race?

I heard this debate on a talk radio show today regarding race and sports. One author tends to lump Mexicans with Asians because he states that both groups have extra body fat that makes them more advantageous in long distance running (endurance type sports).

Anyways, the Mexican girl whom I really have a crush on, I can see something feintly Asian in her if we realize it.
My Olmec/Shang brothers and sisters Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 23:02:37 (PDT)

Ainu,

Kennewick man was once thought to be Caucasoid because of his appearance. In reality, he was just a Polynesian/Ainu who reached Oregon. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/race_kennewick001006.html
That white supremacist website you referred to is not really credible.
the real truth Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 22:58:10 (PDT)

who's manchu,

Have you seen a photo of the late "Last Emperor" Puyi?

He undoubdetly looks more Han than Korean.

Many Manchus look the same. There was a lot of intermixture going on since the Jurchen Jin times. Only a few Tunguzic tribes in far northern Heilongjiang province have the Eskimo type features.

Anyways, head shape is meaningless in the study of race. It should be about genes, DNA, blood type, etc.
tri Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 22:57:03 (PDT)

k,

Ainu now classify themselves as Australoid. http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~dploy/stateless/ainu.html The Ainu language itself is the strongest evidence of their Australoid origin. http://www.dai3gen.net/epage10a.htm http://www.dai3gen.net/epage13.htm Nonetheless, after 2,500 years of massive infusion of Yayoi (or Wu Chinese) genes, the Ainu now look very Mongoloid, except for their excess body hair. Because of the massive infusion of Chinese genes, Ainus can now also be classified as Mongoloid. That picture you referred is most likely a practical joke of an American posing as an Ainu.

the real truth Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 22:52:55 (PDT)

Hey Looking Away,

You posted, "The Trinh generals and Nguyen generals competed to have more influence on the reigning monarch. And please tell me, IF they were truly originally ONE family what name did they go by? Why did they break up? What proof do you have either then whinners in a pub?"

Funny when you asked... I was about to let you know a secret, but can you guess it? BTW, thanks for the entertainment...
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 19:59:13 (PDT)

As far as "looking the same" is concerned some of us do not choose to distinguish peoples of Asia because it is really not important. This can actually lead to a type of discrimination, one that is found among some Asian people (who do tend to notice the physical differences). I prefer not to look at someone and think of them as being part of a certain ethnic group. Isn't it better to look at each new face as a human. So I am sorry if I haven't bothered to distinguish-I don't do it to Europpeans either.
discrim Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 18:42:41 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Hey that story you told carmael, i never heard that one before. Where did you get it? Just reply and i'll read it in vancouver or something...
Looking Away Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 17:45:29 (PDT)

To, G.V.;

I'm going to Vancouver tomorrow, so don't reply to any of my stuff, i won't read it anyways...

I call myself looking away, because i'm avoiding something, not serious, but it's bothersome...
Looking Away Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 17:42:15 (PDT)

To "Looking Away":

You posted, "Ok, the argument brought forth by the other 'debators' seemed to be more valid then yours seem to be. I've read most of those SITES presented by the viet debators...."

Of those websites written by the Viet debators? Do you assume that I take your point serious, without bias? The coin has two sides my friend. Especially, after reading the original Vietnamese were 100 eggs...you got to be kidding, are you?

Tell you what, why don't you go and search for real history rather than legend and myth? At least, being a mortal will land you back to earth.

Be well
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 16:06:32 (PDT)

k,

archaeology can be hardly my topic.In general it can be said that in ancient times there were more long-headed (dolichocephalic) and less short-headed people than nowadays.In certain circles long skulls are associated as a sign of racial primitivity correlating with warlike behavior.(E.g. some Nazis glorifying long-headed warlike people and some Slavs gloryfying their short-headed race.)

Isn't it strange that extremely hairy people are (as far as I know) only found in sparse populated rural areas (Hokkaido,Afghanistan)?-Why not because of genocide: the Vedas also speak derogatorily about dark-skinned people. Which can be seen as indicating ancient racism.And in Central Europe where there are the least people with red hair THEY BURNT RED-HAIRED PEOPLE ON STAKES just because they looked different.

Double-eyelids:
Have you ever been in Europe??-I do live there.And I can say that in most areas of Europe double-eyelids are exotic!
Double eyelids correlate highly with Semitic,Indian and Berber features.So you won't find them in areas like Northern and Central Europe.The Nazis are proud of having only one eyelid.
rare stuff Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 13:59:55 (PDT)

Traveller,

Thanks for providing some very cool web sites regarding to Annam. I wish I could read French!

Firstly, look at the photos of Nguyen kings, people in Annam, I thought they are Chinese! Specially De Tham that looks very much Chinese to me. King Bao Dai is very handsome and Phan Thanh Gian dresses like Chinese. But there was no technology (e.g. digital camera) at that time to record my hero Quang Trung. Is it sad, isn't it? I bet ya he dressed like Chinese general too (*~*)

Be Healthy.
An Nam Guy Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 13:16:33 (PDT)

To the TraveLLer:

"To "Go straight to the point":

Oh, you are so tired, uh? It's because Annam was never 100% from China? Surely, it's sooo sooo irony, don't you agree? Weren't you one of those who kept insisting saying Vietnam had 100% independent after 1940 A.D.? So you want to make that site looks as bad to prove your point, eh?
"
Actually I'm not one of those people who insist Annam had 100% independant after 1940. Nor am I tired because "Annam was 100 % from China". And no, i don't want to make the site look bad to prove my point.

The reason is, to be very honest, discussing with a person like you is very tiring.
A viet Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 13:15:17 (PDT)

Haha The TraveLLer you are bringing ridiculous arguments which wouldn'e be actually qualified as arguments. Zhao Tu might be king of Vietnam. But the truth is he wasn't from the royal house of China. If a brother/uncle of Qin SHi Huang came to rule Vietnam, then that was the case. He's king of Vietnam / Thailand or whatever would never change the fact he's NOT from chinese royal house. It only means he's from Vietnamese Royal house.
TARY Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 11:38:14 (PDT)

The TraveLLer:

Lol, you are so funny, dude! I don't think they are the same poster. Hafti is viet/chinese while GV is full viet. And i don't see why he has to create more identities while it's not necessary at all?

"It is getting really confusing. When using the term "Viet Nam", it addressed mainly to the history and population of "Viet" or "Yueh" ethnic, not the Lac state. "

The TraveLLer, Vietnam since its early history has MANY MANY different names (Au Lac, Lac Viet, Nam Viet, Dai NGu,Au Lac Viet, Au Lac Nam, An Nam...).

If it addressed mainly to the history when using the term"Viet Nam then
the story only counts since the first years of 20th century when the term "Viet Nam" first appear (plz correct if i'm wrong on the time this term appear first, but i'm sure it's not long ago),
...then the first rulers must be the FRENCH hahhahaha.... They come from royal house of France...Hahhahah

Discussing w/ you is like talking w/ a kid....no offense.

If it adress mainly to HISTORY, how could a very important part of Vietnamese history (Dong SOn culture, Hung Kings era) be overlooked? The Hung Kings temple are still in Vietnam, where Hung King festival is held annually. The bronze drums are displayed in museum. The pre-Zhao dynasty period is a fundamental part of Vietnamese history.

According to various studies, the Yueh and Shu are basically the same.Although not every tribe in 100 yueh tribes are ethnically related, but it's been discussed over and over agian they are pretty much the same. The Qin and the Han are 2 separate groups? C'om, give me a break then.

Archeology suggests the physical similarity btw the yuehs and DOng Son people. I think the population who shrunk after the viets migrate there are actually the minority people in Vietnam. They are pushed over to linving in mountains. Even those people are still able to survive, how could the Dong Son people disappear unless they are truly the yuehs?

I read the site you provided. Honestly I think it doesn't provide something very new to my knowledge (since i myself read a lot of Vietnamese history books). The Malay-indo are the first people in Vietnam. Now they 've been reduced to minority status. If you visit Vietnam, the central regions like DAKLAK, TAy Nguyen are home to these minority ethnics. Vietnam has up to 54 ethnics anyway. The minorities in Tonkin (the North) are mainly of Tay-Thai, Sino-Tibetan groups. They either migrate to Vietnam in the same time the Yueh went down there or long after. Then the Yueh migration. So The Yueh (KINH)are not the original natives of Vietnam.
AFter they arrive Vietnam, the Malay tribes were reduced to the mountains. If, like you said, the ethnic cleasing is widely praticed in the old dayd of human history, how could those tribes still survive until today?

Ah forgot to add the name VIET existant since the very old days. Did you read "Su ky Tu Ma Thien"? TU Ma Thien mentioned about 2 major local tribes in Vietnam, The AU Lac (a different name is Lac Viet), and Man Viet. SO "Viet" were in effect before Zhao To took over Vietnam.
:< The debate is getting crazy!!! Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 11:33:02 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Why didn't you share this site before? It's pretty good...

http://www.hawaii.edu/cseas/pubs/vietnam/vietnam.html#chapter1

*Even though the original Vietnamese culture developed from a number of merging cultures in the area of the Red River, it is the Dong Son or Au Lac civilization which marks the beginning of the Vietnamese civilization which continues to thrive today.*

I don't find anything that says that there were any possibility that the Yueh would have killed the Dong Son off. The Dong Son were prominant at that time, and it was united as one with the many tribes that moved in afterwards.

*An Duong's arrival explains the origins of the legendary Au Lac kingdom which is usually associated with the height of Dong Son civilization. The Ou or Au people had also arrived in the area of the Red River along with the Yueh people, and King An Duong's reign in the area united these many different groups under the name of Au Lac.*

The Au Lac were a combined group of Yueh and Dong Son plus a whole bunch of others. These groups were united as one into one nation, also no recorded massacre of a parter in a society of acceptance.

*Many historians believe that it was not difficult for the Yueh to be incorporated into Lac society.*

Yup that only supports what i was saying, no need to use MY sources, just pull out some of yours and i can debate. Like i said, the Yueh and Dong Son assimilated into eachother making today's viets. BUT i am saying that they are EQUAL ancestors, these go by escavations. You keep on saying that the Yueh are the 'main' viet and such, even so, the yueh had a high percentage of being assimilated into the dong son during the times of unity under the au lac kingdom.
General Viet Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 11:13:25 (PDT)

General Viet,

the funniest thing is when I examined my patients. I hardly found any shred of evidence that the feet you described match those Vietnamese's.

That's all I have to say. With nearly, 25 Vietnamese patients/ day...Still, I found most are having normal feet, except for some deformities or traumatize ones.

Take care
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 11:12:48 (PDT)

General Viet:

The lineage log book of Kinh Duong Vuong, his sons (including Lac Long Quan) can still be found in Vietnam. I don't remember the exact location where thises books were kept so I'll tell you later.
Shed Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 10:53:11 (PDT)

The TraveLLer:

I agrre, history starts with an open mind...

The site you provided don't work for me but you need to see more pics of Vietnamese. it's not that their physical attributed could change quickly...the only chang possible is height, body size....i don't see the reasoning facial features could chang.
:< The debate is getting crazy!!! Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 10:46:46 (PDT)

The TraveLLer:

You're one of those rare people i've talk to with whom discussing is such a really tiring task and pointless.

[Oh, you are so tired, uh? It's because Annam was never 100% from China? Surely, it's sooo sooo irony, don't you agree? Weren't you one of those who kept insisting saying Vietnam had 100% independent after 1940 A.D.? So you want to make that site looks as bad to prove your point, eh?

Lets see now, "Zhao Tuo" or "Trieu Da" was a general of the Qin empire. He then proclaimed "King" of the Yueh; while at that time, the Au lac empire (one of the true 100 "Yueh" territories at that time) wasn't under Zhao Tuo, until later. So what did it tell you? That he was already king before he invaded the Au lac state, n'est ce pas? So was he a king and could he be considered as a royal?
Please try harder the next time, would you? ]

Yess...he's a royal cos he's a king...but does that signifies he's from ROYAL HOUSE OF CHINA????
He's not from CHINESE royal house...just an also-ran general.
:< The debate is getting crazy!!! Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 10:42:42 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Hey if you don't want me around then i'll leave the comparing, but hey meet yah in the other boards... It's not like i know any vietnam history anyways, just speculating on how your going paranoid a bit, if me and G.V. had the same idea then what's so wrong about that? It's like when you and a friend say the same thing at the same time and you say jinx. Plus i know this guy in RL, gonna miss the dude...

To, looking away;

I suggest you stick to your own business! (fooling with yah here) Seriously, you don't want to reply for people too much...
Hafti Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 10:36:28 (PDT)

To, Looking Away;

Thanks, hahaha. Thanks for the history lesson, i already knew that. Nha Trang is nice, glad you've been there before...

Plus i'm going on friday, so i can still get a crack all whatever traveller says. C'mon, if you read my other posts you'll see why i said he's ignorant. Ok, i'll say it here. He says that i'm IGNORANT, for writing down a passage i didn't write! But in fact HE did himself. He wrote it just the other day, he calls that passage, a disgrace and an editorial. But he's noticing the flaws of his works now, he now knows how much editorial can fit into one of his passages, and how much disgrace he's putting upon the viet population right now from what he's saying.

Yehe, i'm going to vietnam AGAIN! On friday, so anyone wants to greet me goodbye do it now!
General Viet Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 09:51:41 (PDT)

To, The TraveLLer;

Hahaha, i avoid the viet discussion for a reason you know... I only noticed that you was going nuts on these boards here, so stop saying weird stuff ok... Plus, my writing isn't like G.V.! He sounds older, but whatever you know, whatever.

To, G.V.;

Good luck on your trip...
General Viet Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 09:46:46 (PDT)

To, The TraveLLer;

Lol, sure, i'm low (not even me, i actually know that guy, the guys an idiot, why the hell would he write like me?), not as low as you can be right? C'mon, ok, here's how low you are. You write down a passage which is UNDIGNIFYING to the entire viet race, you write it down yourself, through a post to reply to ME. I reply to that post, and then what do you say? You say i wrote it then say i'm a disgrace and i write editorials. BUT it's ok, you know why? Because now you yourself admitted that YOUR writing is filled with editorials and have no proof, that what you write is a disgrace for the viet race...
General Viet Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 09:44:53 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

*here's what this m_ron wrote in answering to my post. >>>>*During the French occupation, Chinese opera were confiscated, Han language was prohibited in some degree and resistances were beheaded. Old annals and history records were destroyed, so that colonization would be less difficult. French purpose of separating the Chinese culture to Vietnam was to control the rulers of Vietnam. In addition, they divided the three regions of Vietnam. That is why many rebelled the French during this era.*<<<<*

OH MY GOD, THAT'S YOUR POST! I was replying to that! It's one of your posts on "Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 14:10:28 (PDT" Just click earlier posts twice and you'll see it. OMG, what the hell is wrong with you? Ignorant, stop calling me that when you yourself is using what YOU wrote and say it's me. Lol, hey you know what? Atleast your admitting that your an editor, you say it's all editorials, but you can't find any of mine, so you posted yours! HAHAHA

*The French didn't have a strong impact on Vietnam...Ha Ha Ha....!!!

Such an Ig...!*

You seem to be way more ignorant then me! C'mon you post what YOU wrote and said it was mine! Your crazy, NO DUH the french had an influence on us, but like i said, it didn't come with resistance... I NEVER said that they didn't have a big influence on us, IF you can find one of the posts that i did write that then please do. I simply said that they lend us some words into our language that we didn't have, but either then that the vietnamese language didn't take any other words either then foreign unknown words for objects and acts be never heard of. In food, our food is very influenced, also our culture kind of... Your making a mockery of yourself...

And that Nguyen stuff... AHHHHH, I POSTED THE LINK A LONG TIME AGO! DID YOU EVEN BOTHER TO READ MY POSTS! MAN!

HERE IT IS AGAIN!

http://www.yutopian.com/names/06/6Ruan179.html

OMG, try READING MY POSTS!!!
It's on my posts on 'Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 13:27:03 (PDT)', my last one. C'MON, try reading my posts before you open your mouth, how can you know if i'm ignorant if you don't even read my stuff? Your calling me ignorant because of what YOU wrote, read the top. You called yourself a disgrace kind of, because you said i was for writing that passage, BUT YOU wrote it!... LOL, kind of funny!
General Viet Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 09:41:37 (PDT)

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