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To: "there must be something similar there"

-Bloodtype 0: mesoamericans and malays have a high amount of that bloodtype.

Maybe mesoamericans came from Southeast Asia over the Pacific.
rare stuff Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 15:45:06 (PDT)

The way of Tao:

I have to add something:
Taoism is not suitable for normal men. It requires too much unnatural passivity, approximately as much passivity as a woman "needs" waiting for the birth of her child. Sooner or later men's "yang" will go mad and run amok.

Taoism made the Southern Chinese peoples passive and unorganized.Thus they are now Sinicized--because the Confucian Han culture has proved its own superiority.

On the other hand Confucianism is not as manly as you describe it. 100 years ago the whites laughed about effeminate Chinese (practicing Confucianism).

Would you compare Korean manliness with Pashtu manliness?-If yes, who is manlier than the other?
rare stuff Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 15:37:09 (PDT)

There must be something similar there,

"I noticed that the Philipinos and Vietnamese look a lot like the Mexicans and El Salvadorans. Both peoples must have the same type of racial components"

You should go see an optometrist immediately.
Don't be crossed eye Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 13:14:50 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

I'm out, i don't have the time to argue with a child anymore. Someone who has no facts but only editorials. Someone who is so low that they can only result to insults. As you can see most of the people just left because your so irritating to speak to. So i decided that i'm gone. No i'm not a baby, but because i don't have the time to talk to someone who is so ignorant and arrogant. It's not even worth a lost penny, nevertheless my time.

Who ever wants to continue the debate with him, go ahead, but all his nonsense editorials won't end. And his sources are as biased as can be, a disgrace from what he writes, and when he sees it he says it was another persons writing not realizing that that person is replying to one of their posts a day before. A show that he doesn't even admit that he's a disgrace, but it's obvious due to his discription of his own post. But hey, hey didn't even read some of our posts and replies like a child. Like that dark and light skinned Muong thing. He said someone told him that the muong were dark, so he goes on attack mode, when that person only said that the some of the muong he knows were dark, but from pictures they're all light. Ignorance like not reading and replying cannot be missed. I can't waste my time writing to a baby who can't even read or interpret...

Yup Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 12:24:41 (PDT)

"I am Chinese and I live among a lot of Southeast Asians and Hispanics. I noticed that the Philipinos and Vietnamese look a lot like the Mexicans and El Salvadorans. Both peoples must have the same type of racial components (Malayan/Polynesian/Chinese with Mediterranean-Spanish/French"

I dont know about the Viets but "filipinos" please spell it that way
have a similiar phenotype to the mexicans and salvadorans. however filipinos can look like anything i've seen many who look just like chinese, just like hispanics, white even some african.

Talented Mr. Ripley Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 10:28:58 (PDT)

The Way of Tao--

It is undoubtable that Korea is probably the most confucian country in the world. But please do take a good look at the South Korean national flag and tell me which philosophical school those symbols come from. Then take a good look at the Chinese national flag and tell me which philosophical school those symbols come from.

I think it's funny how you take one episode of your life and make a grand deduction of how the cosmos really function. I guess this is what your so-called "tao" means.
ka Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 08:49:02 (PDT)

Common Vietnamese surnames that are Chinese Origin:

1. Ly 2. Tran 3. Ngo 4. Vu or Vo 5. Truong 6. Trinh 7. Tong 8. Ha 9. Hoang/Huynh 10. Vuong 11. Duong 12. Quach 13. Luu 14. Lu 15. Luong 16. Ta 17. Hong 18. Ho 19. Dinh 20. Dang 21. and several others.

BTW, (GV, HAfti, Yup or whatever, you guys are all the same) please seclude all these names from your Dong Son people.

The TraveLLer Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 07:53:49 (PDT)

Oh hey Hafti (or Whatever):

If you want to be a descendant of a Malay-Polynesia then be it. Just called upon the Dong Son people your ancestor, that's fine with me. However, I'm not related to you...so why do I bother, uh? My last name is original from China, so I will keep the tradition of my ancestor and abide by saying that my ancestor came from the North. There...Happy! Honestly, I apologize for confusing you as one of the Vietnamese with Chinese ancestor. After reading your pseudonym, it sounds like some types of "Indo-Malay polynesian" word, so I guess you are a real descendant of those "Indo-Malay Polynesians".

The next time when you eat, use your hands instead of a chopstick. At least, it will give you a sense of being closer to your ancestor.

There, I did my part by not insulting you and your ancestor. I praise you the best.

Peace out!
The TraveLLer Monday, July 15, 2002 at 22:46:24 (PDT)

The TraveLLer:

The book is written by Vo Trong Thai, Nguyen Van Truong, Nguyen Thanh Tam, Van Dinh Ung, Vu Xuan Thom (NXB Van hoa dan toc), published February 4th, 2002.

btw You can phone them to this number :(04) 7627653 - 0913533706
V Flava Monday, July 15, 2002 at 21:53:02 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Are there records of the Nguyen and Trinh family, even a Le dynasty descendent marrying a chinese kinsmen? Thus becoming of their kin? It's kind of startling, because the Le dynasty was started by a rebellious figure named Le Loi who hated the chinese and repeatedly fought against them. Do you have any written proof? Only asking because it's a bit disturbing that a descendent of such a man would kind of betray their fathers by becoming part of what he so much hated.

Hmmm, any of you been to vancouver? It's nice here, just saying you know...

Oh and i thought the Nguyen family was concentrated in the south, when moving south wouldn't your family be at more risk? Or was it that the Nguyens weren't located there at all?
Looking Away Monday, July 15, 2002 at 20:15:57 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Uh, just to say, stop dwelling on an insignificant detail. Do you have an argument on the subject at hand or do you have to create lies to try to ruin anothers credibility so you may seem to be a more legit source. That is kind of pathetic, but oh well, it's a strategy. You can say whatever you want to G.V. but he's gone, and if you don't believe then wait until he comes back, he SHOULD be more invigorated towards the subject since he's just been to vietnam, the homeland of which you speak of. Oh and another evidence of YOU trying to ruin anothers credibility is that stunt you pulled on G.V. about that editorial you wrote (i would have said something about it but i guess only G.V picked it up, went back to find that post of yours where you said you were still in university, and saw it). It was hilarous how you wrote an editorial, which you signed. Coming from you, and then G.V. replied to it. Then you say he's a disgrace because he posted it. It was kind of funny because it was burns for you, because in essence you called yourself a disgrace and you called that writing an editorial. You said it to try to destroy someones credibility, but it backfired because it was yours. And like i said, i like to show things by example. That's why when you said that Hafti and G.V. were the same people for having a few words the same i posted that OBVIOUS post and signed it by G.V. to show how easy it is to mimic, and to show that you actually have no idea on how to see the difference in between one persons grammer from the other. It's kind of pathetic that you can't see that by now, and keep on dwelling on it.

Well the post of which you said you were a university student was posted a few weeks ago. It's hard to find, so i'm not going to waste time to prove something i know. I remember it well because it was when i gave an example how even in the subconscious the vietnamese people see eachother as equals and it is illustrated welly through the 100 egg legend. It's there.

Lol, have i taken my prozac? Lol, that just proves that you have no furthur backup for your ideas, and is resulting to insults once again to back up your ideas by trying to make the other persons credibility look bad...

Yup Monday, July 15, 2002 at 20:05:43 (PDT)

Regarding Ainus...

Remember that Ainus occupied the northern island of Hokkaido. They are not spread out all over the 4 main islands of Japan.

It did not surprise me to learn that Ainus are a caucasoid race because just slightly further up are the Sakhalin Islands which are inhabited by Russians. If people study how the Japanese islands separated from the Asian continent, it makes sense that the Ainus are considered caucasoid. Japanese eventually ventured up to Hokkaido and claimed the island and territory for themselves. Japanese did not always exist alongside the Ainus in Hokkaido. It was only after the inhabitants of Honshu assumed a Japanese identity that they began to occupy Hokkaido.

That's my two cents.
jacaliboy Monday, July 15, 2002 at 18:06:00 (PDT)

Hafti,

I don't know where you went to school, but this statement, "*Even though the original Vietnamese culture developed from a number of merging cultures in the area of the Red River, it is the Dong Son or Au Lac civilization which marks the beginning of the Vietnamese civilization which continues to thrive today.*", didn't apply to what you were related it.

What it stated here is that the Au Lac and Dong Son marked the beginning of the Vietnamese civilization, the same could be said to the American Indians in the U.S. And that the Vietnamese history has been recorded since then 'til now.

Now read these paragraphs, would you?

"What is clear to historians about these last three centuries BC is the amount of rapid change which occurred, much of which is depicted on the Dong Son drums. It was usually members of the aristocracy of various groups who streamed into the area of the Red River. They attempted to live the lives to which they had been accustomed, bringing technology, food, and other customs with them to Vietnam. In addition, the newcomers wanted power of their own. After An Duong united various groups in the area, more deposed leaders of the Ch'in Dynasty (which was now losing to the emerging Han Dynasty in China) arrived in the area. One Ch'in leader, Chao T'o, defeated An Duong and divided the area of the Tonkin Delta into two prefects, Giao Chi and Cuu Chan in 111 BC. The Lac lords, or leaders of the Au Lac kingdom, retained their power for a while. However, this marked the end of life as the Au Lacs or Dong Son people knew it, and the beginning of the long period of Chinese colonization.

Chinese people and influence gradually filtered into the area and created lasting changes for the people considered today as members of the original Vietnamese society. Exactly what life was like for these people can only be known through the piecing together of myths, elements of language, and archaeological re-mains. Because Chinese colonization lasted for about 1000 years, knowledge of the early society is extremely important to the Vietnamese people of today who are interested in their heritage. Until recently, the Chinese had claimed that all of Vietnamese culture and indeed, the Vietnamese people had arrived from China. As more recent data indicates, the people of the Red River Delta came overland from the west and across the water from the east, rather than from the north. Even though the original Vietnamese culture developed from a number of merging cultures in the area of the Red River, it is the Dong Son or Au Lac civilization which marks the beginning of the Vietnamese civilization which continues to thrive today."

>>>>>>However, this marked the end of life as the Au Lacs or Dong Son people knew it, and the beginning of the long period of Chinese colonization.

Chinese people and influence gradually filtered into the area and created lasting changes for the people considered today as members of the original Vietnamese society.<<<<<<

What does it meant by the "END of LIFE"?

Then the author stated, "Exactly what life was like for these people can only be known through the piecing together of myths, elements of language, and archaeological re-mains."

Does it told you that the Dong Son people were gradually decreasing or perished and that the only remaining was through excavating?

This paragraph stated, >>>>>"Because Chinese colonization lasted for about 1000 years, knowledge of the early society is extremely important to the Vietnamese people of today who are interested in their heritage. Until recently, the Chinese had claimed that all of Vietnamese culture and indeed, the Vietnamese people had arrived from China. " <<<<<

It's just like saying that when an European said that the US territory were originate from the European settlers, it's merely untrue. Since there're some inhabitants prior to the coming of the European. Though, the majority of American is caucasian, the first to have a civilization in the territory were the North American Indians, likewise it could be said about Vietnam.

********To Viet Flava,**************

You posted, "could you specifically name what part of China did they come from? Certainly from southern china. eve if the Qin move to rule VN, they were southern chinese. the Vietnamese weather is way too much for the northern people to suffer.They were actually the Yueh (different from Hans) who moved South...Basically they are more viet than chinese, if not full viets. The old clans were the Malay-indi groups, as supported by your site."

Many Vietnamese love that theory; however, I tend to believe it's untrue. Here're some rational medical explanations. How could the Ming Dynasty loyalists withstand to the hostile climate, as you described, and settled in "Cho Lon"? Is the southern region of Vietnam more hostile in environment than the northern part, which it's brutally worse infested with malaria and other type of tropical diseases? If the Ming loyalists can withstand to the southern climate of Vietnam, then they(the Chinese) can withstand to the Northern region of Vietnam. Further, according to the latitude degree, the Red Delta River Valley lays at nearly the same latitude position as the southern border of Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong. This is a weak arguement that I found among the Vietnamese debators.

According to that website that I had posted, the Chinese people who migrated to the Red Delta River Valley were the Yueh(included the Thuc, mainly those who were from the southern border of the Yangtze river) and the northern Chinese(The Han and Qin's).
However, according to some other websites, the Dong Son was also considered to be one of the 100 "Yueh" tribes. So the Dong son people were probably the "Yueh" also.

Here's a good debate. If the "Yueh" were originated from the Yangtze river, due to the fact that the Yangtze river is found in China, some Chinese scholars claimed that the "Yueh" were also one of their ethnic ancestors. What do you have to say about that?

The TraveLLer Monday, July 15, 2002 at 17:17:02 (PDT)

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