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[So ends the patriotism discussion and we get back on topic. --Ed]

TSJ SAIDOkay. Here's my one allowed response. I won't bother putting stuff in quotes because it would be too long. If your definition of a "patriot" is true, it doesn't seem like a very desirable thing. So you are on the same boat as Timothy McVeigh, huh?

If there was a draft, and I was picked, I would definitely go. I wouldn't flee to Canada. That doesn't necessarily mean I would willingly sign my life away to fight some war over in some country I've never heard of. Maybe I find myself being more useful to the economy and to the country by STAYING ALIVE, and doing work other than going overseas gunning people down (or vice versa). What if some people are too slight to fight? What about the weak? What about women? Women are not allowed in the infantry. So, by default, they cannot be patriots. Do you talk this jibberish to your mom and sister? I bet you call them up everyday telling them how "un-American" they are.

Dude, we aren't Mel Gibson and Heath Ledger in the 1770's. It's not like we are going to form some civilian militia group. Not every person in the whole nation needs to be in the war.

Auto plants: Do any Japanese work there?! I doubt there are many Japanese in Ohio and Tennessee. Does any of that money go to Japanese Americans? No! It goes back to the corporate office in Japan. I believe you are the one who said not to mix Japan with Japanese Americans, yet you mention companies based in Japan, and the Nikkei stock market?

Poll results? For Americans knowing more about Chinese? Count the number of Chinese restaurants compared to Japanese. Okay, ask any American to name five Chinese actors. That is easy. Ask them to name five Japanese actors. "Uhhhhhhh... what?"

Bruce Lee is an icon in America. Any Japanese come even close? Any Japanese Jet Lis or Jackie Chans? Hip hop (waaaaay after your generation) is inspired by Chinese kung fu. Some groups even pattern themselves after Chinese kung fu - Wu-Tang, Jeru the Damaja, Five Deadly Venoms... etc.

Now that you brought up Japantown vs. Chinatown... how many Japantowns are there left anyways? THREE!!! That's right, three... SF, SJ, and LA, none of which are major hubs for Japanese culture either. They are more like tourist traps. How many Chinatowns are there? Every major city has at least one.

Even things that are Japanese, people think are Chinese, like anime. I hear many people say "Let's go get some Chinese food... sushi!" The truth of the matter is... white Americans DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE between Chinese and Japanese, and frankly, don't care.

Most of your infantry friends were white boys. Geez... if my calculations serve me right, this country is a majority white, so wouldn't the military reflect that?

HAHAHA... 20 g's? Is that all you got?! Sure, that will go real far. That's hilarious how you brag about being slapped in the face yet again. Shoot, this isn't just a slap in the face, it's a kick in the nads.

Culture and language? Language is a part of culture. You can't have the culture without the language.

Why do you keep bringing up this "Hello" person? As far as I know, s/he was a one hit wonder, and that was so long ago.

You are wrong. Military personnel are supposed to be very respectful of civilians. They are fighting for their moms and dads, their brothers and sisters, and their friends. When celebrities go to perform, they are very reverent towards them, no matter how "unpatriotic" they may be. On Armed Forces day, military personnel appear on Jay Leno, and are actually taking orders from him! Can you believe that? Taking orders from an "un-American" civilian! And they even salute him!

Also, I don't know if that "Cobra Commander" guy will respond again, but he is actually mocking you with that name. He called you G.I. Joe. Cobra Commander is the leader of their enemy. Oops... I forgot. You are too old to know about the toys from my childhood.

Prejudice... what's the root word? Pre-judge. Do I prejudge people? NO. I am just saying that based on past experiences, certain people, I don't get along with. Does that make me a racist? I don't get along with homeless and hippies either. That doesn't mean I will not talk to one if I met one on the street. I do not think any lower of them just because they are who they are. I'm just saying they are not my type. So, would some guy be a sexist if certain females didn't appeal to him? Everyone has a click of people with similar interests and beliefs. Obviously, you and I would never be part of the same group.

Well, it's been fun. Take care, and, like they say on Black Hawk Down... "HUUUUUAAAAAA!!!!"
TSJ Eric@KristinKreuk.net Friday, August 09, 2002 at 22:46:36 (PDT)
RESPONSE
And what of this ranting shows that the Chinese Americans are patriotic?
San Diegan Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 12:09:16 (PDT)

Destro,

Remind yourself that the subject was the patriotism of Chinese Americans versus Japanese Americans and the history thereof.

Nothing else.
Sansei Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 12:07:10 (PDT)

Soldier boy,

The "patriotism" iss was sparked by Hello=)'s comments that F** LA (who is Japanese or a Japanese American) who got irritated when s/he is mistaken for a FOB.

Hello=) said that F** LA's attutude was typical of their Japanese forefathers attitude when they invaded Nanking.

Instead of giving Japanese/Japanese Americans credit for our heroism in American uniform, Hello=) thought it appropriate to liken F*** LA's attitude with the atrocities of Imperial Japan.

The US government did the very same thing as Hello =)did and in 1988, apologized and paid reparations.

So, my posting was to remind Hello=) that while s/he would liken us with Japanese soldiers torturing Chinese people, that AJA's did pave the way for equal rights for all Asians and that my mentioning it would shut him/her up. It did.

That was why the subject of patriotism was even brought up.

The record still stands today. The government does recognize that the feats of the 442nd and the 100 Batallion were the most heavily decorated units of its size in all of US Army history, including all-white units (and certainly all Chinese units, which, by the way, did not exist).

San Diegan Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 12:04:59 (PDT)

LTC,

Hope this helps.

Korean-Americans: In the mid 90s, it was stated in the media that there are over 800,000 Korean-Americans in southern California. Not exactly sure how many are in LA county, but the majority are in LA and Orange County. I saw on the news last year that there are over 250,000 Korean-Americans in Orange County alone. Keep in mind there are KA communities in Riverside, San Bernardino, Ventura and San Diego counties. Southern Cal has the largest Korean population outside of Korea.

Japanese-Americans: I saw on the news last year that there are over 200,000 Japanese Americans in the southland. Usually this includes the surrounding areas of LA, but not including San Diego county. Please keep in mind there are a quite a bit of Japanese hapas in the area, but we don't know if some list themselves as JA or mixed-race. If hapas are included, then the number should be even higher. In the south bay area of LA county, there are a number of Japanese expats and families here for work from Japan. They are not considered JAs, but they definitely give the south bay area a Japanese flavor.

Chinese-Americans: I've never seen or heard of an official count, but it appears there are more CAs than either KAs or JAs in southern California. I think it would be safe to assume there are over 1 million CAs in southern Cal.

With populations this large, it's no wonder LA is the capital of Asian-America.
LA KA Monday, August 12, 2002 at 16:41:03 (PDT)

Okay okay kanaka. We get your point. Patriot = soldier. I'm not a soldier/patriot, nor are most people living in the us. Are you happy now?

Besides I looked way back into this forum and still can't figure out where this argument about the definition of patriotism came from. People were talking about Chinese vs. Japanese, then all of a sudden you mentioned being a patriot/soldier. Where did that come from? What does that have to do with the people living in San Gabriel speaking in Chinese?

It is blatantly obvious you are on here to spread your military proganda. Yvan Eht Nioj!
not a soldier boy Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 22:37:24 (PDT)

At one time, the Chinese and Japanese populations must have been quite similar, but after the 1970s, you see more Chinese coming from places like Hong Kong, Taiwan and China.

Many of the Vietnamese/Cambodians/Laotians/Thais/Filipinos who came to America are also ethnic Chinese. Some of them register their ethnic background as Chinese and some list it as Vietnamese/Cambodians/Laotians/Thais/Filipino. Because it was often the rich who were able to leave their war torn nations. Chinese dominated the commerce of these nations.

I have even met some ethnic Chinese from South Korea settling in USA.

The Chinese long eclipsed the Japanese as well as their longtime (Toisan originated) Chinese-American brethren in terms of numbers. It will only keep increasing with more immigration.

Some said the Japanese-American population is decreasing. But, it is largely due to intermarriage. I think the Japanese-Americans should reassess on what it means to be considered "Japanese-American?" A "Japanese-white" happa, a "Japanese-Chinese" happa, a "Japanese-Mexican" happa, etc. should all have their rightful claim to this heritage and not shun them or else it will be all gone before you know it.
We are all still Asian though Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 16:26:31 (PDT)

By golly. You guys are hilarious! These anonymous posters are obviously capping on you by using GI JOE character names!
Snake Eyes Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 15:21:51 (PDT)

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