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What is the most useful martial art to use on the street? Does physical size matter? Just curious.
I love martial arts Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 02:05:14 (PST) [66.120.162.135]

There is really no ultimate martial art, only a superior or ultimate martial artist. To say that one style is better than the other is ridiculous.
Stantheman Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 21:39:24 (PST) [68.11.96.200]

To From Boston,

Ultimate Fighting a joke?!?
Unlike Tae-Kwon Do and various point sparring competition (most of the mainstream American Karate crap), there's actually BLOOD spilt. I haven't seen ONE tae kwon do "master" ever get knocked unconscious or get a broken nose.

Not so with UFC. Heck, boxing, kickboxing, even Greco Roman wrestling has more contact, blood, and pain than Tae Kwon Do - the ultimate kiddy sport.

The only reason people take Tae Kwon Do is to get a black belt in 12 months time. To anyone who's ever taken Tae Kwon Do classes, you've probably seen little 8 year old kids with black belts, and 100 pound women with black belts. Tae Kwon Do is not a martial art, it's a commercialized sport.

All in all, Tae Kwon Do must be the worst pseudo-martial art out there. At least with Judo and Karate, you teach the kids to keep their feet on the ground. A tae kwon do 'master' wouldn't last 2 minutes against anybody with jiu-jitsu or grappling training.

As you said in your post Boston, the tae kwon do 'master' would try for a head kick to "knock his opponent out in one blow". GET REAL! Even Tyson in his prime couldn't knock somebody out in one blow.
PRIDE Fan (hater of TKD) Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 18:48:39 (PST) [128.122.138.37]

dojo sensei,

The person who plays Mr. Miyagi, Pat Morita, he does not really know karate. He took some judo when he was younger. but he has stated himself that he is not a karate sensei. The white kid in the movie definetly doesnt know karate, he's a dancer.

I'm not sure about Jean Claude Van Damme. He's known for kickboxing. But actually it turns out he knows european karate. anyways, he is also a dancer though. He incorporates ballet into whatever martial art it is he knows. which is why he does those jumping split kicks a lot. (its funny how he does that when there is only one opponent cuz his other leg is just kicking air). His ballet might also explain why his karate looks more like kickboxing.
noname Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 15:22:11 (PST) [67.39.7.77]

TM 21,

I am neither Chinese nor Japanese, but I want to clarify some things. All martials did not originate from China. Your ultimate law is wrong.

They originated from India as did buddhism. Now, just because martial arts orginated from India does not automatically make it the best as your argument asserts. Kung-fu originated from the shaolin monks, but martials arts origins did not.

Don't try to tell people what is right when you yourself don't know. After reading your comments, you have no credibility when you didn't even know such a simple thing as the origins of martial arts.
rafsan Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 13:39:41 (PST) [63.206.24.50]

For all of the korean and japanese martial artists out there, I will lay down the ultimate law..

Everything came from China. Don't forget, throughout all of history Japan wanted to be more like China. And therefore they borrowed all the basics including written language, government and society norms. After all China was the center of civilization and everyone knew it.

The martial arts that developed in China have such a long history and refinement beyond Karate and Taekwondo. Those styles were designed to be learned quickly for mass producing soldiers who would probably die, but given enough training the foot-soldiers would have an edge beyond war strategy. just like any other kind of training. That's why most "dedicated to the art" practitioners look down on those mass production techniques. They all were derived from true arts- which were developed in Shaolin and Wutang.

Almost every martial art's movement can be traced to those two schools, no matter which country, although the future direction lays in the hands of those who are developing it, i believe the true essence remained in the original art, and is certainly the most perfect.

I have to give props to Muay Thai, which won all the martial arts competitions of the 60's and 70's. But those national competitions required boxing gloves...- something that did not bother the thai..

Jiu-jitsu may be one of the best street-fighting tools as seen in UFC, with its emphasis on ground technique

But all of those are just derivatives of true art, which can allow (tai-chi) 85 year old men to cripple thai boxing champions with a single blow if necessary.

And it goes without question that a thai boxer would thrash any karate or taekwondo black belt; because the threshold of training pain is levels beyond them.

With all of my support to Thai boxing- I can still say there is a better chinese one- Wing chun, also a martial art developed for training armies- I believe wingchun can defeat thaiboxing, it's just that there haven't been many serious martial artists in china since the cultural revolution, whereas thailand's hungry boxers were daily risking life and death to gain fame and escape from poverty. (not unlike Kim Deukgu)

In every case, a satisfied country cannot produce strong fighters, because fighting martial arts training requires complete dedication. However, when an art has progressed through centuries of theory it can be used with less training and still give good results commensurate with the quality of the art.

as history went on, the usefulness of MA disappeared. the best way to kill someone is with a gun, or u could say missile, now.. but in the past when hand to hand or weapons were the only choice, MA were used and practiced correctly. that's what MA is meant for, although in this day i'd say the greatest benefit is for health.
this last sentence is pure speculation- i'd bet that taekwondo and karate were developed in the last 400 years.
TM 21 (not a hater) Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 05:45:19 (PST) [207.30.216.33]

noname,

I knew it. But, please tell me if you also know if Jean Claude van Damme is a fake also? I hear almost everyone saying it is so. That is the impact of media. And, does Mr. Miyagi (the real person himself) know karate?
dojo sensei Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 17:26:08 (PST) [64.130.235.33]

rediscover,

Oh, that�s interesting. Thanks a lot. So traditional martial arts from Laos is similar to Thai kickboxing that makes sense. I heard Cambodian boxing is similar to Thai also. It seems traditional martial arts of countries in Asia are regional. Cambodia, Burma, Thailand, and Laos have similar martial arts (kick-boxing). Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines have similar martial arts (stick/dagger fighters). And China, Korea, Japan, and Vietnam all have similar martial arts (kung-fu/karate etc., oriental martial arts). Actually, the similarities are probably based on how much influence they have on each other culturally as well. Of course even with all of the similarities, there are bound to still be some differences.

I�ve mentioned this earlier, but if you notice Vietnam is almost in the middle of all of the martial arts countries, which is why there are several styles practiced in Vietnam. Traditional Vietnamese martial arts, however, resembles Chinese and Japanese martial arts.
noname Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 15:56:17 (PST) [67.39.7.77]

Somebody mentioned the Gracies, so let me go on a tangent. There's this Japanese dude, Sakubara(or Sakibara?) "The Gracie Killer", who kicked all of their butts. He was actually pretty intense, and really fun to watch. I think he used to be a pro-wrestler as his team came out wearing those wrestling masks. The only guy that I've seen kick his ass was another Brazilian named Wanderley Silva.
-Notty Boy orgazm_donor@hotmail.com Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 11:28:18 (PST) [143.115.159.54]

USA bostonseoul@hotmail.com :

"So how can Japan martial arts influence Taekwondo if Korea has longer history than Japan?? Japanese colonial period for 36 yrs influence Korean martial arts?????"

Very simple reason. Taekyon training method was too difficult for general purposes. So Koreans adopted Shotokan style and its training methods. Shotokan is simplified style. Many people say it's too easy. So Taekwondo is effective for business purposes, but not as a martial art because of its Shotokan heritage. Shotokan's founder had already a business oriented concept.

dojo sensei,

in "Karate KId" they don't imitate Okinawan, but Chinese martial arts from Fujian(?).

noname,

the martial art of Lao people is similar to Thai boxing. Traditionally, they practice it when they burn the corpses of their dead to honour the souls of the deceased. SOunds similar to the concept of Etruscan gladiator games.
rediscover Monday, December 09, 2002 at 15:33:58 (PST) [62.227.111.182]

dojo sensei,

I dont know about Mr. Miyagi, but i know that the white kid (Daniel?) does not know karate. I heard he is a dancer and faked martial arts using his dancing skills. im not 100% sure but thats what i heard.
noname Monday, December 09, 2002 at 15:08:42 (PST) [67.39.12.227]

To pride Fan and MarNut??

(First). The ultimate fight is a joke. The competition is set for entertainment. Taekwondo practioners give one solid kick. 100 percent they will fall in there head first in the pavement.

(Second). Taekwondo is derived from what? Shotokan?? Chinese say Taekwondo arrived from China?? Hey, Marnut give it a rest. Do you hear Koreans saying Taekwondo arrived from China or Japan??
Koreans know that there martial art is better than both of your mickey mouse martial arts from China and Japan.

(Third), Karate and Kungfu adopted many Taekwondo kicks. Argue about history. Korea has longer history than Japan. So how can Japan martial arts influence Taekwondo if Korea has longer history than Japan?? Japanese colonial period for 36 yrs influence Korean martial arts?????

(Fourth), both of you guys watching too many KungFu movies or reading Black Belt magazine. Give Taekwondo a rest. (Accept it, its kick ass martial art from one and only Korea).

From Boston.
USA bostonseoul@hotmail.com Monday, December 09, 2002 at 08:51:30 (PST) [218.145.25.12]

What about the FMA (Filipino Martial Arts) such as Kali, Arnis, Domog and Sikaran. Does anybody practice these MA styles? I wanted to know more about these arts because I found it to be versatile and practical. Any thoughts on this?.........
Datu Puti Monday, December 09, 2002 at 01:57:10 (PST) [210.16.70.21]

I want to know if the karate done by Mr. Miyagi in all the Karate Kid series are real or not?

I see a lot of white, Hispanic and black people do that stance on one leg from the movie. I used to hate seeing that and didn't know if they meant to be racially humorous or was it really something they learned at karate school?
dojo sensei Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 16:24:46 (PST) [64.130.235.33]

rediscover,

Kalaripayat? sure ok, i'll check it out sometime when ive got the time. Breathing techniques are useful in building chi and increasing stamina. Well, thats what ive heard.

I just had a thought. Does anybody know if Laos has a traditional martial arts? Just curious.
noname Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 16:08:08 (PST) [67.39.12.227]

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