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Sorry to burst your bubbles but TKD is to sport specfic and not real combat. TKD loses to Muay Thai boxing or Shan Soua fighters. Don't beleive me check out this web-site for yourself
www.mcdojo.com. There is a link for a fight between a TKD and Muay Thai guy. The TKD just can't hang. TKD can be a very good fighting system iF it focuses on the fighting aspect than the sport specific aspect.
Korean boy Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 11:00:10 (PST) [128.122.104.191]

bostonseoul- you might want to watch UFC first-

taekwondo masters used to waste time in mickey mouse UFC... the first few tapes you can see plenty of people proud to list TKD as one of their specialties- and they were beaten SOO quickly that they stopped coming (or listing a martial art that takes any kid 2 years to "black belt"- 2 years of hard training in jiu-jitsu only gives you one belt over white). (plus no one wanted to see such quick matches)- once the taekwondo guy missed his first big kick (or got a deflected one) he was tackled and on the ground getting smashed. maybe it's commercialized but taekwondo would lose in most real world situations unless you're really lucky and get a direct hit. and then plenty of gym rats can take that hit too- without even knowing any martial arts they'd beat a TKD guy.

if you're not afraid of a gun you'll probably be shot.

also, rafsan- i said 'came', then 'developed', although i admit those words are both not very clear. however, i did not say originate, which is a very clear word. please read carefully before you criticise. My point was that some 90% of martial arts theory was developed by 'chinamen'..

if some indian guy learned how to kick and punch someone else, and showed a chinese guy, that's great..

and to stantheman- the martial artist is not as important as the martial art. depending on which application (street, form, weapon, etc)- there are always martial arts that will emerge as stronger if the two artists have trained at the same intensity and duration.
TM 21 (not a hater) Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 21:42:07 (PST) [207.30.8.137]

To Harvard, Boston College, UMASS, BU, whatever the hell you call yourself,

Tyson doesn't fight in Ultimate Fighting Championships because he gets paid tens of millions of dollars to fight in heavyweight boxing competitions. Ultimate fighters will never be able to make that much as ultimate fighting is NOT a mainstream sport, and some of its events are banned from a good number or US cities.
However, in countries like Japan, freestyle martial arts/grappling competitions are mainstream. They also offer a lot of prize money. Over there, you'll see lots of 'masters' of martial arts freely partaking in "which martial art is best" sort of competition.
Contrary to what you may think, the karate/ tae kwon do and other high kicking idiots don't win those fights (yes they do participate in these competitions). Mostly the wrestlers, grapplers, and shoot-fighters win the competition. As a matter of fact, ALL the fighters learn how to grapple, cause they know they're going to hit the floor at some point of the fight.
Now, let us turn to the debate using LOGIC instead of ethnic artform bias. What the commercial sports like Karate and Tae Kwon Do have in common?(I say they're commercial because TKD and Karate 'dojos' seem to be a dime a dozen, filled with little kids and girls with black belts) The thing they have in common is that the 'competition' is based around points sparring, where people see who can tap the other guy the most with the heel of their foot. When somebody fall, time is called.
This is NOT martial arts. This is SPORT

Martial arts involves learning techniques and skills that will help you to incapacitate or subdue an opponent before the opponent harms you. The sports of TKD and Karate teach you how to extend your limbs and tap the opponent for a point.

You say that ultimate fighters and other free-style martial artists are 'wimps' and they'll "piss in their pants" when faced with a gun. But when most Tae Kwon Do and Karate guys have never been in a real fight and never spilled blood in their lives, I think they will be less prepared to dish out violence when necessary.

Learn Tae Kwon Do if you want to stretch your legs and kick high. Learn something else if you want to really learn how to fight.

And don't compare your sport to the great sport of Boxing! Nobody fights to unconsciousness in a Tae Kwon Do match. Guys like Lewis and Tyson would wipe the floor with your scrawny Tae Kwon Do master's asses.

Of course, feel free to believe that you guys can take out a professional fighter with one kick in the first few seconds of a fight.

Me and my crew just love putting you guys into a choke hold or arm-bar. Try kicking when you're on the floor and choking. hahaha, idiots
Pride Fan (Ju Jitsu Rox) Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 10:49:32 (PST) [128.122.181.22]

I am a practitioner of American Chinese Kenpo Karate and Baji Chuan. In the past I've practiced TKD, Karate, and Pencak Silat. But I've been off training for a year so I guess I'm not a routine practitioner anymore.
I never like TKD just for the reason that I don't like using my legs for offensive. I use my hands more for offensive and my legs more for defense and set-ups.
Baji Chuan is very similar to Karate in many ways that they're both hard styles focusing in fists, power, and focusing in one strike one hit types. However, I prefer Baji Chuan more mainly to its way of fighting and techniques that I feel is more suitable for me than Karate.
Kenpo Karate(an American developed and modified mix of Chinese and Japanese martial arts) is a very good martial arts to be learned for intermediate/advanced martial artists for the simple fact that this martial arts will open your mind to many possibilities in the streets and real life situation(it's a very practical and reality-based martial arts) yet still maintaining its art form, unlike that krav maga everyone is hailing about as THE martial arts (it should have been called self defense system not martial ARTS).

Other than that, I read an article that the Shaolin Gong-Fu(the source of most martial art styles in China) was first developed by a monk from India to strengthened and invigorate the Shaolin monks. Of course, after that it was mainly the Chinese who developed it.
ARDE Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 00:06:13 (PST) [24.26.255.128]

From TeaKwondo or Korea or Boston:

"Japanese Judo and Japanese martial arts originated from Korea." I got to laugh at that one. Is the POPE Jewish?

True! TKD came from Korea but Japanese Martial arts and Japanese Judo? Didn't that come from Japan like your TKD? Am I talking to a teenager? Jeeez.

Like I mentioned before that the traditional Taekkyon and Tekken or SEGA by Sony came from poor farmers or barefooted peasants there who thought the best way to insult someone was to stick them with their dirty feet to someones face and TKD evolved from it.

But just to fill you in also that Northern Chinese Kung-fu also has kicks and flashy ones like TKD also. Could either one influence the other? Possibly given the close proximity of Korea and North China. I'm sure if you scratch deep enought you would probably find some traditional real martial arts in Korea also. Ones like Hapkido which is really Karate and Aikido combined or KulSul or MooDuk or something similar which I find they have some practises like Chinese Kung-fu. The only problem is when they try to follow the TKD footsteps and mass market it to the public that their teachings get diluted and lost or make it into a sport.

To the question of martial arts practised around the world: Of course every country has their own form of martial arts, if they didn't they were probably taken over by a country that did. Martial arts didn't just evolve in India or China but worldwide. It is just that in Asia it was developed into stylized systems and formal schools instead of haphazard fighting like in other countries.

I know you want to be proud that you are a HungGill Ren but somethings you have said are just unreal. I hope this is not indicative of most Koreans I meet about their martial arts but alas it is true. I had one korean guy told me that I don't practise martial arts unless it is TKD and paid for high exoberant fees and a karate uniform with patches. Open up your mind, Korea there is other martial arts out there better than TKD.

Like what others have said about it it is a good martial sport. It has a well organized group worldwide and has the most publicity than all other martial arts out there. So I give it props for that also. But it is not the only thing out there. For something more that just TKD, there is alot out there to choose from which can challenge you both spiritually and physically.

If I ever had a need to join a mass franchise school or a McDojo I would do TKD because they market like no other. But if I wanted something to point me more to true martial arts I would still do Kung-fu or something similar to it.

TKD:
I don't like as a sport, I don't like it with a just a kick, I don't like here or over there. I don't like my green eggs, TKD and ham.
Mar-nut Friday, December 13, 2002 at 11:09:32 (PST) [209.245.13.172]

To: Pride Fan

Taekwondo is commercialized sport???
Hey, I don't see Taekwondo in pay-per-view advertisement unlike you know what?? Ultimate fight bullcrap??? no, bud. you get real. more you watch bullcrap mickeymouse ultimate fight circus. you might think their bunch superman!!! right???

who's the biggest "mickey mouse" here?? is it pridefan????
boston college Friday, December 13, 2002 at 07:40:35 (PST) [216.148.246.134]

To Pride Fan (hater of TKD)

Ultimate Fighting is planned out entertainment circus Mickey Mouse bullshit sport. You keep saying "Taekwondo master wouldn't last". Taekwondo masters don't waste time on silly sport like "Ultimate Fighting bulls***". If Ultimate fighing is real thing. Why don't Mike Tyson fight in Ultimate fighting??? As he knows and I know. Ultimate Fighters are wimps. If you get those guys in gunpoint they will piss on their pants.
Least Taekwondo masters know how to kickass in gunpoint situation. Don't waste my time arguing between Taekwondo and Ultimate fighting circus bulls***.

From Boston, Massachusetts
Harvard bostonseoul@hotmail.com Friday, December 13, 2002 at 07:32:02 (PST) [170.224.224.38]

Karate rocks. I have taken WuShu and TKD and I love karate the most. WuShu is very artistic and graceful, which are great qualities, but I just love karate. TKD on the other hand, seems kind of imbalanced. It is the way of fist and foot, but my school only seems to focus on kicking techniques. Why can't the black belts even throw a decent punch without toppling over? And we're supposed to be the highest ranking TKD school in the country? Seriously? How can that even be possible? (Thinking out loud because of disbelief).
Kitty Kat Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 18:19:25 (PST) [136.152.196.209]

rafsan,

You are wrong too. Martial arts did NOT orginate from india. The countries in the east already had some form of combat art of their own. They used this combat art to form empires. it just evolved over time into what it is now. to say that india is the creator of martial arts is wrong. I already mentioned this earlier. so im not going to bother saying anything else right now.

Stantheman,

You're right.
noname Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 10:58:34 (PST) [67.39.7.77]

Taekwondo,

"They would say "Korea" End of story."

The masses are usually ignorant sheep.

If you tell them the world is flat, they believe the world is flat.

You tell them the world is round, they believe the world is round.

Those that are educated see the difference of artificial borders. So modern day TKD is heavily influence by Japan, due to the occupation in WWII. Also it is Chinese Kung Fu where a vast majority of Eastern martial arts orginated from. Probably even before China, since Kung Fu has been around even before there was centralized nation called China, or Korea, or Japan.
AC Dropout Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 10:37:05 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

To: Tm and rediscover.

So everything came from china?
If you ask where did Taekwondo came from Korea, China or Japan. What would people respond?? They would say "Korea" End of story.

To Rediscover, don't go to the "Taekkyon" argument. what Taekkyon being too hard?? Don't you hear the simiarity between Taekkyon and Tekken???? Japanese Judo and Japanese martial arts originated from Korea. END OF STORY BUD!!!!!

From Boston
Taekwondo bostonseoul@hotmail.com Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 06:00:33 (PST) [170.224.224.134]

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