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Ai Ya and European Anti-Asian Sentiment:

Guys, learn to read.

Nowhere did I say that Europe was better than the US. I pointed out in my very first post of this series that the IR situation was probably more balanced with a lot more ethnic minority men dating white females but that there were better work opportunities in general for Asians and blacks in the US. (That particular post, along with some earlier ones about IR seem to have been deleted, however--or at least I can't go thru that link.)

BTW, claiming that the Europeans are more liberal is NOT the same as saying that Europe is necessarily a better place to live, even tho' I know quite a few members of ethnic minorities who prefer Europe. And as for ethnic populations, I think the US is about the same as the UK in that Asians make up 3% of the respective populations: in other words, it is fair, in certain ways, to compare both countries.

I also pointed out very clearly in my post of Wed. 5/15 that "Of course all this might have been different had I resided up north or even in a slightly less cosmopolitan place." This means that my experiences and those of other Asians may have been different and do not necessarily typify those of others in the UK, right? Get a clue!

Secondly, I was not comparing Chicago to Oxford or London even directly. I was only pointing out that I could not even imagine a city like Chicago--with upscale department stores and boutiques--tolerating Japanese dept. stores.

As far as Chicago is concerned, it is no longer a blue-collar city. Wake up. It is not uneducated, either. Don't forget that Chicago is home to the University of Chicago and a few of Northwestern's top-10 professional programs: law, business, and medicine.

However, now that we bring up comparisons, a closer point of comparison for Oxford might be Boston being somewhat traditional looking and collegiate. I've been to Boston many times and have never liked it: it reeks of pseudo-liberalism and the worst sort of Angophilia one might imagine in all of their WASP worship (i.e., the kinds who aspire to the country house and believe in monarchy, etc.). I am not alone on this; you can also tell from other comments on this board that there are not a lot of Asians who find Boston Asian-friendly.

Finally, just because someone admires a few aspects of other countries doesn't mean that that person admires all of it: there are many aspects of Britain I consider superior to America just like there are many aspects of America I find superior to Britain. No one country has the claim to being "better." As world citizens, we should be broad-minded and educated enough to appreciate the merits of every nation.

Asian Dominatrix Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 08:46:10 (PDT)

Asian Dom:
Are you telling me they don't sell Chinese New Year cards in the US? are you kidding? Try hallmark or other card stores during CNY.
I bet there's no city in England that has a Chinese New year parade as SF's
to a-dom Monday, May 20, 2002 at 20:44:10 (PDT)

"The Dutch institutes have been modeling the American ones to attract top professionals from other parts of the world, and many of them are Asians. Therefore, Asians are very prevalent in the country."

After years of losing business to the United States and German firms closing shop in Germany and opening them in the United States, Holland wanted a piece of the action. Not so the Germans, who would rather see higher unemployment as a result of firms leaving their shores to employ foreigners, than have non-white or even non-German neighbors. However, I am not sure that the Dutch really learnt a lot from the German experience based on the election results. Why else at a time of low unemployment would the Dutch turn a government out, despite its stellar performace on the economic front?

Economist Monday, May 20, 2002 at 12:54:31 (PDT)

I think the comparisons that are being made are not exactly congruent. Comparing an educated, university town like Oxford to middle America is NOT a legitimate comparison. A Dom - I think a fairer comparison for Chicago in the UK might be Manchester or other blue collar city. Go into ANY supermarket in the Bay area, and you will find a wide array of Asian, Hispanic, and middle-Eastern goods.

You made a good point. A Dom's pleasant experiences in Oxford doesn't do justice to the working class Asian experiences in Manchester, Liverpool or even London. I've met Asians who live in Manchester and Liverpool, and they tell me that bias incidents on Asians do occur FREQUENTLY!

As the non-white population in the UK, France, and Germany grows, watch and see how "tolerant" the people there actually are.

Exactly.

For example, the Amsterdam's Chinese population is exploding like a rocket. In fact, after NYC (AKA..New Amsterdam), Amsterdam has the most recent Asian immigrants. There have been an increase of bias incidents in the past few years on the Chinese in the Netherlands. In addition to the influx of Chinese immigrants, the Netherlands attracts many Asian professionals from Japan, China and Taiwan who specialize in the sciences, engineering or medicine. The Dutch institutes have been modeling the American ones to attract top professionals from other parts of the world, and many of them are Asians. Therefore, Asians are very prevalent in the country.

European Anti- Asian Sentiment Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 18:02:17 (PDT)

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