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AA ATTITUDE TOWARD WEALTH
(Updated
Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:07:02 PM
to reflect the 100 most recent valid responses.)
Assuming you are an Asian American, how important is wealth in your assessment of a person's attractiveness?
It's one of the most important. |
19%
It's just one of many factors. |
36%
It's less important than other qualities. |
29%
I don't care about a person's wealth. |
16%
Assuming you are an Asian American, which best matches your feelings toward your own wealth?
I'd give up weekends to double my income. |
20%
I'd work longer hours for 50% more income. |
39%
I'm happy with my current income. |
24%
I'd give up some income for more free time. |
17%
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AC Dropout,
I know that much of this intra-Asian prejudice is brought from overseas, but I'm talking about the kids who grew up mostly in the US and would talk about Asian differences as tho' they knew it all. I remember one or two Koreans in college who would say (when no one was looking) that the Japanese were dirty scum and there was no way their parents would ever let them marry someone of Japanese descent.
About the Irish-American bit. I guess quite a few probably resent Britain--but do they actually resent British-Americans? I can't tell you how many kids have told me that they were "Irish-English-French-and Norwegian." Or some other variant. Of course, they've been here longer, but the fact is quite a few do mix. (Oh well, who knows, maybe some Irish-Americans call these people sell-outs.)
Now for sell-outs themselves. I don't think a sellout is necessarily who marries outside of the race: there are probably a few assimilators who end up marrying within their own race, even if the majority of these assholes marry out.
But great point about picking the Jewish lawyer with the Chinese husband. I just hope that most whites who marry Asians are as sympathetic as one of my friends (married to a Hong Konger) who now outdoes me in complaining about white racism. LOL, that is something, isn't it?
Asian Dominatrix   
Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 21:44:45 (PDT)
We don't know what happens behind the doors in the political offices. I do agree with you that the American Education system does have major flaws, and that is why we are planning to educate our child in a private charter school. Happily we live in DC area where there is a variety of educational choices.
I do not think that everyone here in America that is educated through our school systems is an idiot, and although it is scary to trust politicians with our very lives, that is what we have to do living in this country and having the amount of democracy that we do. We vote and choose them, and then we have to live with our choices, and if they do not get in office, we have to live with that too... or move.
There are so many different definitions in these forums of what "white-washed" is and what constitutes a "sell-out". Just those words are both very negative references to Caucasian people and if it was a reverse forum, I truly think that you could see the negativity associated with those racist terms. White -wash is something you do with paint. And a sell-out is a definition that I would not apply to an Asian that marries outside their race, or an Asian that likes Caucasians or American culture, an Asian that is born here and does not know an Asian language. I guess I am a sell-out because I don't know Hebrew and my Dutch is pretty bad. I guess I am also a sell out and "yellow washed" because I eat Chinese food and like it more than American style food. I personally actually think that I like those things and am not under the impression that I am changing who I am or my race just because I like these things. I don't think I am "yellow washed "if I decide to sing Karaoke in Chinese, along with American songs. Why should I ignore other cultures and only embrace the "caucasian" things? Am I being untrue to my race?
I don't think that Caucasian people that are married to Asians deny that there is prejudice. I think we are more aware of it, if anything. Like I said in one of my previous postings. There is a certain part of W. Virginia we will not travel through. There is white supremist groups around DC, and I too have been called "chink lover" once by a man passing by as I was crossing the street to the Kung Fu school my husband attends. Oh, and I am not a die-hard liberal.
But being a Caucasian married to an Asian I also can see the other side too. There is Asian prejudice that is unjust towards Caucasian also. It is so easy to just lump all "whites" into one category . And any Asian that has anything to do with a white person is white washed and a sell out.Sure, you think we smell bad, we have too much body hair, we love "The Man" , we all are rich and stuck up, especially the white women! God knows those fat ugly bitches. There could not be any pretty smart Caucasian women, could there? And God help the Caucasian woman that happens to be pretty and smart and is with an Asian man. Her husband must be white washed! And we all eat nothing but McDonalds and unhealthy foods. We are ethnocentric and hate anyone but whites. Oh ,and if Caucasian people try to understand the Asian culture, there are always those people there to make fun of them and remind them how they don't know what it is like to be Asian. Well no shit. I don't know.I will never know and do not profess to know. I only try to understand and learn. I have my own classification. I know what it is like to be Caucasian, and I know what it is like to be married to an Asian and I know what it is like to be part of the Asian community and family. And part of this is being aware of racism from BOTH groups.
Oh, and if we try to build a bridge between the races and learn all we can about the culture, then we are looked at as naive, or something to bash and make fun of.
And if we try to learn the language, then we are told that we are yellow washed and made fun of, and Asians are offended because we are trying to speak in their language.
So what do you want? Don't you see that there ARE some people that are Caucasian that get hurt by the sterotypes I listed just the same as Asians? That we are not a naive bunch of people to take your misplaced anger out on. There IS prejudice from BOTH sides. Just as I am open to Asian people, culture, opinons, etc, I also think there should be openess and acceptance for Caucasian people and acceptance for an Asian person who chooses to be with one, who may LIKE McDonalds or whatever better than traditional rice everynight and who is comfortable with themselves if they do happen to have friends they have more in common with who just happen to be CAUCASIAN. You need to be more open to those who truly want to learn and less bitter to those who are sincere.
Who is being naive and who is being prejudice?
Hannybunbun   
Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 14:18:11 (PDT)
Ed,
What is the demographic break down of these 42% US Born asians. I'm going to assume that they are too young for me to talk to. That number seems extremely high based on my personal experience and contacts.
AC Dropout   
Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 10:54:41 (PDT)
[We don't know the precise age breakdowns for U.S.-born AA, but would estimate the median to be around 20. Surprisingly, Asians have the lowest share of people aged under 18 of all minority groups (24.1% vs 35% for Hispanics and 31.4% for Blacks), so the U.S.-born AA populations probably isn't as young as you might think. Since you are a mathematician, you may be able to extrapolate a rough estimate from these facts: as of 2002 the foreign-born Asian population is an estimated 7.5 million of 12.8 million AA total (58.5%). In 1990 the foreign-born numbered 5 million of 7.3 million (68.5%), in 1980, 2.6 million of 3.4 million (76.5%), and in 1970 800,000 of 1.0 million (80%). --Ed]
Asian Dominatrix,
Intra-asian discrimination and animosity are carried here from the old world. Whether or not they have a place in the new world is quite another issue. [U.S.-born] Asians are [42%] of the whole Asian population. I'm an immigrant by definition. I'm still dumbfounded when I met an Asian who tells me their family has been here for generations.
I lived in a Irish-American community for a while. Trust me the IRA and their history are well preserved in the Irish-American community. And that divide is as deep as some of the Asian-American divide we have.
Sell-out are products/victims of their environment. As an individual we can try to change their opinion. But are there are limits. We cannot seduce every sell-out male and female asian out there, to convince them that asian can stand on equal footing with whites in the USA without pandering to the sterotypes projected on asians.
Rather than discussing the asian half of the equation, focus on the whites that have become the unfortunate victim/spouse of these sellouts. These are potential allies.
Sell-outs need to ignore the obvious discriminations in our society, for that is the basic core definition they have of themselves. "My achievement, the very definition of sucess I measure my life, are due to the fact the discrimination is a myth in USA." That is core of the sell-out persona.
However, their victim/spouses are liberals and sympathetic to asians. They too also don't believe in blatant discimination in the USA. These white victim/spouses are people we should ultilize in our cause.
Just like when I hired a Jewish lawyer of equal ability to represent my firm I selected the one with a Chinese Husband.
AC Dropout   
Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 12:06:35 (PDT)
[We modified your assessment of U.S.-born Asians to avoid misrepresentation of AA demographics. There is an unfortunate tendency among Americans to underestimate U.S.-born, as well as U.S.-educated, English-speaking AA. --Ed]
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