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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
Are AA Women the Real Victims of Prejudice?
sian women get a free ride at the expense of Asian men. That's the received wisdom here in the U.S. This belief appears premised on the suspicion that American society sees Asian women as sexy exotics in need of rescuing from the cold clutches of Asian men who don't know how to smile except evilly.
The real victim?
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Credit Hollywood for its tireless casting of Asian women as sexual accessories to white heroes while suppressing the very existence of Asian men except as unsavory paper tigers. Credit too the TV networks that uncover bevies of talking Asian women but rarely their male counterparts.
In fairness this media fantasy of the Asian race was partly inspired by recent history. Devastated and impoverished Asian nations sent tens of thousands of war brides and orphans, followed by several million desperate immigrants willing to hock their identities while toiling to build new lives.
Male-dominated societies toast new women as exotic sexual prospects while suppressing new men as an exploitable lower class or even enemy aliens. The women get all the breaks and the men get all the lumps. Even worse, the women have their heads turned and adopt a scornful attitude toward their own men. So goes the complaint of some AA men.
The women have a different take. Sexual predators bearing insulting stereotypes must be fended off while coping with women who see them as unfair competitors. Add to that the pain of being scorned as sellouts by AA men for no more reason than their apparent welcome by American society. Worst of all, complain AA women, is being begrudged the right to take simple pleasure in their own identities. How much easier just to face straightforward racial prejudice!
Do Asian women really have an easier time in America? Or do they suffer from the double-whammy of insulting stereotypes from non-Asians and unfair persecution from Asian men?
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Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 06:10:56 PM)
Asia Dom
"Amen!" to what exactly......blanket statements such as "whites...have reputation of distorting reality"....and then the nonsensical "portraying AA women as what they are is not a lie".....i never heard such whining about the media in my life.....sure if you are a retard you could be brainwashed by a conspiratorial white (or worse still jewish) press....but if you are intelligent you will vote with your feet....in a free market this is possible.....people like Researcher might spout all this asian value nonsense.....but remember this.....the media of the western world are a hundred times freer than those in asia.
maxdacat
Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 02:01:51 (PDT)
reality is suppose to bite!,
"we're not going to say the things you want to hear. we're here to debate. tell you what we think and find out what you think"
There's a huge difference between criticism and productive discussion. I'm an AM and I've noticed a lot of AM bashing AF. I'm sorry to say but it's the truth. If you don't believe me. Please read some of the posts on the gender divide or AM/WF. I realize that not all AM or WF think AF are materialistic or conceited but I can see how it can come off as the opinions of the majority.
I'm not perfect and still very young. In fact like everyone else I've said things that I shouldn't and have regretted it. One thing that I've learnt in my short life is that scolding people is completely pointless. When you scold someone it puts them on the defensive and no matter how hard you try you'll NEVER be able to convince them otherwise.
"I think the am here are trying to convince af that they may not be doing what is in their best interest when they abandon the asian culture and community and of course am's"
Just because someone dates outside their culture does not make them a sell-out. My definition of a sell-out is someone who hates their culture and everyone who shares it in order to "fit" in with another group. Being in an IR doesn't mean you have to hate who you are. I've dated WF and I'm damn proud of who I am. I'd never trade who I am for ANY woman. It's apparent at the end of your statement "and of course am's" that you dislike AF dating WM. I'm sorry to break it to you this but we live in a diverse society. Everyone has the freedom to be with whomever they choose. So there's really no way anyone can stop AF/WM relationships. You can continue hating and drive people around you away or you can accept it and live a less bitter life. Also, you have to get rid of this attitude that AF belong to should only be with AM. Just because they are Asian does not mean only AM have control over them. So from one AM to another at least try to understand them...because everything else has failed so far.
Proud 2 b Azn
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 21:03:45 (PDT)
"some WMs (particularly that "(Door) Mat" Richardson),"
As you said in another forum Matt came pretty close to saying that AFs move about differently than WFs, like comparing a horse and a snake. This was especially when someon tried to compare the assimilation of Lebanese women (who have married white men in large numbers) and Iranian women (for eg. Rudi Bakhtiar of CNN is for all purposes white) and Asian women. He tried to say that it is Ok for the Lebanese women to assimilate because they are white but it is not fine for Asian women because their features are different and they act differently. Of course, we have not heard from him for a while.
"Now what fools am I talking about? I mean the fools on this site who go about claiming that WFs are superior in every way to AFs."
Plenty of them out there. The other day I was talking about Lt. Governor Hirono of Hawaii running for Governor. Immediately, all whites, and AMs and sadly AFs were asking me whether Gennifer Hirano who was featured in Asian Week as a worker in massage parlor and Lt. Governor Hirono are one and the same. They were certain that at least they were related. See where the mind goes when one mentions an AF running for governor. What a joke! No one connects Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson to that philandering politician from Arkansas Senator Tim Hutchinson. They are different families they assure me.
"If there hadn't been so much negative reporting about the Japanese auto industry and "Japs taking over the (white) world," maybe, just maybe, Vincent Chin wouldn't have been killed."
Tough luck. The whites learned fast enough in the midwest that they cannot be looking to the Big Three for employment. Majority of the white auto workers and skilled employees in the US work for Japanese auto companies. Soon many would also be working for the Koreans (check out Businessweek June 10).
"there are LOTS of these same fools--albeit with college degrees and what-not, sitting in boardrooms, think-tanks, enjoying tenured positions at prestigious universities, etc. who continue to keep the glass ceiling in tact."
White American protesters are afraid of globalization not because the poor in developing countries are exploited but because the glass ceiling would be shattered through global competition. It is shattering in the boardrooms of the US steel industry, but George Bush, in spite of his free trade principles decided to stand by the incompetent white boys in the steel industry this time around, resulting in higher prices for US consumers. I hope the WTO rules against the US, and soon! This is not in the best interest of America.
Economist
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 14:54:38 (PDT)
or groups (example microsoft) in power always want you to believe that there's an equal and level playing field. it helps them to maintain power.""
Whites would argue that Asian groups (example Honda, Toyota and Subaru Isuzu) always want you to believe that there is an equal and level playing field, but they have destroyed Ford, GM and Chrysler. It cuts both ways. Asians are increasingly challenging the whites for power with better products and brighter workforce.
Maxdacat:
"it's called assimilation - maybe you should try it some time!"
I have already adopted the American ways. I am involved in the Texas Senate campaign...I am designing negative commercials against John Cornyn the crook who might have given us Enorn. I am assisting the Democrats in throwing mud on Connie Morella in the Maryland eighth district, and I was involved in targeting and defeating several anti-immigration legilslators in the last elections (2000): Brian Bilbray of California, McCollum in Florida and a couple of others. I would also like to send Robert Byrd home to West Virginia, but it is a battle I keep loosing. Now this is true American assimilation, not changing the spellings from Labour to labor or honor to honour or even from whilst to while. I have also lived in the UK, and followed cricket, but never assimilated far enough to join the English soccer fans in their hoopla and entertainment, which is a disdain of the whole world.
Researcher
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 14:23:02 (PDT)
AM
Your comment in a nutshell says: "hey, they won't love you like we do. They never will because your Asian." Now, how do you think that makes an AF feel who's married to or dating a WM?
No I'm not an AF btw.
Mats
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 13:57:41 (PDT)
i think it's just human nature for one to get ahead and use anything to their advantage. say if the table was turned and it was asian men in the situation that asian women face. us guys would play it do the bone! =) while i don't blame asian women for doing what they do in american society, however it does get bothersome and annoying as an asian guy. but as an individual asian guy, i just have to find my own way to remedy the situation in my mind.
d@ m@n
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 13:26:35 (PDT)
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