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IS THE AA GENDER DIVIDE REAL?
(Updated Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 06:05:27 PM)

sian American women are abandoning AA men by the millions. Young AA women seek out any race of men but their own. Women like Amy Tan write books and make movies that dump on AA men and glorify Asian women in relationships with white men.
     That's the perception of many AA men.
     On what do they blame this state of affairs? Brainwashing by media that play up white men while cutting Asian men off at the knees. Desire for payback by AA women who feel slighted by their families and Asian society. Large numbers of non-Asian men with blind fetishes for Asian women. Some even acknowledge that Asian men are often too fixed in their ideas of how a woman should look and behave, causing many AF to feel devalued.
     Other Asian Americans see AF outmarriage rates as merely a natural state of affairs for a 4% minority population that includes many recent immigrants. The outmarriage gender gap will narrow as growing Asian population centers provide ready access to bigger pools of singles. Besides outmarriage isn't the same as rejecting one's racial identity, they argue. Many AF who outmarry retain strong identification with their Asian identity.
     Is there really an Asian American gender divide? Is so, what's behind it? If not, what's behind the perception?

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To: MLK

“Happy Holidays to you, from one very very Pro Asian Male woman...me!”

Well, well, who do we have here? A beautiful, intelligent, educated, articulate, and open-minded Asian woman. ;)

Happy Holidays to you as well. Are you sticking around? It’s always a pleasure to see you here. ;)
Repost
   Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 00:29:10 (PST)    [66.92.1.200]
To: Come on...

“Why did you get so sentimental at Rob's comments...?”

I don’t know which comments you are referring to. Sorry.
Repost
   Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 00:28:43 (PST)    [66.92.1.200]
To: Rob

I’m going to call your bluff: please quote me where I wrote that I am against your girlfriend having her preference in white men. Go on. I’m calling your bluff right here, right now, right in front of everyone reading this forum.

You’re trying to weasel out, aren’t you? You know very well from the first post I wrote to you, my beef with you was and still is: your insult towards all Asian women who choose only Asian men as being closed minded – or, the way you put it, you wouldn’t call them open-minded.

Why is it that you like to paint the false picture that I have something against women like your girlfriend? Is it because doing so will deflect attention from your original insult that you still fail to answer? Is it because you want to obscure the points you fail to answer by conjuring up a facade of a “disturbed Asian man who has problems with Asian women dating white” of me, as you weasel your way out the back door? Your tactics are so transparent and shallow – and here I am, calling you on it. So where, and please quote me, did I write that I am against your girlfriend’s preference in white men? Rob, you’re pulling garbage out of thin air – again. If you can’t deliver, don’t bluff.

Now that the first smokescreen is lifted, I’m going to lift the second one. Rob, please don’t act like you’re so insulted on behalf of your girlfriend. I know that’s your diversionary tactic, to make it look like I’m attacking your Asian girlfriend. Need I remind you, once again, that the posts were dedicated to you and only you – Rob? That includes my statement of the definition of what you call open-minded – whether you’re single, attached, married, or gay. Whether you have a girlfriend/boyfriend or not is irrelevant. The statement applies to you and only you. Please don’t try to hide behind the veil of your girlfriend. A man just doesn’t look right behind a skirt. Please be a man, as you should be.

What I am and have been disputing is your original insult. Read this again: your insult that all Asian women who choose to only date Asian men are closed minded. That is the one point I can be quoted over and over, because that was the one point I reverberated ever since my first post to you. What an utter insult to all Asian women who choose to be with Asian men, as well as the Asian men they are with.

Once again, this post, like the others, has nothing to do with anyone else but you – Rob. You can throw in all the distractions and diversions you want and hide behind your girlfriend. I am now calling you on it. You and I both know that behind the entire smokescreen you try to put up, my beef with you was and still is your insult towards all Asian women who choose only Asian men.

To Editor – I apologize for having to repeat some of the things I’ve written; it just didn’t seem like it was met with any traction - Thanks.
Repost
   Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 00:26:55 (PST)    [66.92.1.200]
To: A-Man

“I'm an Asian brother like yourself, and I hear your pain and frustration”

Really? Do you really hear what I’m saying? Because if you think what I’m saying has anything to do with what I’m quoting you next, you’re way off base.

“a man's character shouldn't be attacked just because you happen to disagree with his girlfriend's preferences”

On the contrary, I’ve written that I’m glad she is with him. Where did I write that I disagreed with the preference of Asian women who prefer to date white men, let alone his girlfriend? Would you be kind enough to quote me on that? I’m even giving you a broader scope to quote me on than in your accusation – where did I write that I disagreed with the preference of any Asian woman who prefers to date white men? I know you were trying to be righteous in the intent of your post, and I fully respect that. But while you’re trying to be righteous about that, please try to be righteous about this: if you can’t quote me on what you’ve accused me of, please be man enough to retract your accusation with the same alacrity and conviction that you accused me with.

Peace, Brother.
Repost
   Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 00:20:37 (PST)    [66.92.1.200]
Rob and Repost: Been reading your postings for the last week or so and wanted to throw my two cents in. First, I’ve been on this board off and on for the last year or so and Repost always has some insightful thoughts. Admittedly, he’s been a bit harsh with Rob but I have to give him the benefit of doubt. Rob, it is appreciated that you have been honest about your relationship with your gal, Lisa. Yes, you should be commended for being forthright but please understand what this board is about, the AA Gender Divide. Why is there an impression amongst Asians (AM’s in particular) that AF’s are out-marrying at a much higher rate? And why are there less AM’s out-marrying? If the AA gender divide exists, these are the questions that need to be answered. There have been many postings about AF’s that exclusively date WM’s and they have been criticized as being sell-outs. Are we talking about all AF’s? No, but there are a substantial number that fall into the category of exclusively dating WM’s. This discussion has been going on furiously for many months and there have been substantial postings from AM’s and AF’s who acknowledge the existence of Asian women that fall into this category. There have only been a handful of AF’s who have tried to defend their position and typically their argument consists of one or two lines that say, “I prefer WM’s and that’s my constitutional right...” which is absolutely true. Rob, you’re one of the first people on this board that has taken the time to post about a woman that dates only WM’s and thusly, have taken a lot of criticism because it is a bit of a sore spot amongst AM’s and Asians in general. Why is it a sore spot? Because at the core an AF who only dates WM’s is the end result of a country whose culture is dominated by whites and marginalizes those who aren’t.

If you have not grown up as an Asian in the US (no matter how many Asian studies courses you have taken) you cannot understand the difficulties we face as minorities. Ask your girlfriend, has she ever been the victim of bigotry or prejudice? I can’t believe there are any Asians who haven’t been insulted or slighted just because of their ethnicity. I was raised in New England in a suburb that was 99% white. All my friends were white, I had only dated WF’s. If you spoke to me on the phone, you would not at all guess that I was Chinese until I told you my last name. And yet, I have had people throw racial slurs at me out of the blue in the mall, on the street, in school, etc… And for every obvious ugly racial incident you encounter, there are many more subtle incidents. As an AM I knew that I was being tested all the time, that they figured you would just be some brainiac that could be pushed over. Stereotypes die hard and it seems that I always had to prove myself in a variety of ways. So how do you respond to this pressure? Do you disconnect from your culture to be more accepted? Do you try to be more white to fit in? Some Asians may throw criticism at my feet given that I have only dated WF’s but understand where I grew up. Since moving to California, I have seen a ton of very attractive Asian women and would be happy to date them. My point being is that when your girlfriend says she only dates WM’s she is not just defining a preference, she may be trying to distance herself from her culture. And the conundrum in it all is that you may find her attractive specifically for her Asianess, for her long black hair, her soft skin, her culture and for Asian food.

I have made this statement before and I’ll say it again, “The AA GD exists because you choose to date only people of a certain race and because you choose to not date people of another race…” If a WF only dates WM’s, I consider that closed-minded; if a WF only dates AM’s, I consider that closed-minded. If an AF only dates AM’s or WM’s... You get the idea. But the reality in this statement is that there is a substantial number of women in the US (of all races) who ONLY date WM’s. Why is that? Because WM’s are better mates? Because they are smarter? More successful? Better athletes? Better personalities? Now you don’t really believe that, do you? I know that in my past I have been chased by quite a few VERY attractive WF’s. My cousin has only dated WF’s in NYC and they have all been attractive. We are both AM’s that are attractive physically, mentally and personality-wise. My expectations are that we would attract women of any race or ethnicity and for the most part, that’s true. In our discussions we have discussed the above and agreed that there are many attractive AF’s but it just hasn’t worked out at this point and time. So why does your Lisa only date WM’s? Does she truly believe there are no attractive AM’s or BM’s or LM’s that could meet her criteria? I guarantee you that there are men of different ethnicities that would have all the great qualities that a good WM would have. But if you watch television or check out magazines, you would find it hard to believe AM’s exist. When you see an AF on television, how often is she paired up with an AM? More than likely, she is paired up with a WM. Have you ever noticed that? Why are there so many AF television anchors in lead roles and very few AM anchors? Last thing I knew, there were attractive AM’s who could speak english. Or does your girlfriend choose her dates because they are white and rule out all other ethnicities without regards for looks, personality, intellect or professional success. If that’s true, isn’t there a part of you that wonders why?

I have nothing against intra-racial relationships given that I’ve been involved in quite a few myself. But I have maintained that there are quite a few AF/WM relationships that exist for reasons beyond, “we just really groove on each other and make a great couple.” A lot of the AF’s who exclusively date WM’s are looking for validation, for acceptance and in a sense, are turning their backs on their culture and acquiescing to the majority. There are a lot of WM’s who exclusively date AF’s, why? From the WM’s I know that fall into that category, they don’t necessarily have great social skills or luck with WF’s or may just have a fetish. And do you know why it works? Because US pop culture has pounded into our psyche that AF/WM couples are acceptable. You see it every day on television, print, etc. So even if you’re a WM with below average looks or intellect or personality, you have a halo effect. WM’s are cool, they got it going on or what have you. And what if you portrayed an AM with a WF or a BM with a WF in your ad or tv show in a romantic relationship? Hmm, let me guess what would happen... There’s this Bay area website where people post personals. I will see 10 or 20 ads for women of all races daily, that are specifically looking for WM’s. Once in a blue moon, a personal ad will show up that requests an AM and god forbid if that woman is a WF that describes herself as attractive and intelligent. Guaranteed, there will be a posting from her trying to defend herself from people who criticize her for preferring only AM’s. Or there will be a posting calling her racist or what have you. Every day many more ads go through asking for a WM without a peep, why doesn’t it get any criticism? My female Filipino friend says to me, “you know, there are so many AF’s who compromise who they date just to get a WM.” My sister who is dating a WM says to me “the other day, this beautiful WM comes in with this AF and she was just really unattractive, I couldn’t believe it” My point being is that a lot of AF/WM pairings have an odd dynamic behind it, either an AF who’s looking for validation or dating up (as others have put it) by dating a WM or some awkward WM who has a thing for AF’s and feels they are more approachable. Rob, you describe the beauties of your relationship with Lisa and say she has to have an open mind and fight through all these hurdles to be happy. I guarantee you that an WF/AM relationship goes through even more scrutiny and even more hurdles. And that’s why I tend to find them more balanced, most WF/AM couples tend to be people who are equal in attractiveness, intelligence and culture. They have to be because the world around them does not look upon them kindly. When I dated my Italian girlfriend, I got my share of nasty stares, you’ll have to trust me on this one. And I’ve also met some AF’s who have only dated WM’s and say to me, “I’ve never dated an AM but I would date you…” And to be honest with you, these women have been unattractive, boring and could not keep up with me, but in her mind, since she’s dated a WM she figures she should be good enough. Uhhh, I don’t think so… As I’ve said before, the qualities I look for in a woman stay the same regardless of race, your dating a WM does not make you more attractive in my eyes.

So Rob, understand that by being a WM, you have an advantage when dating in the US whether you realize it or not. If you want to understand the AA gender divide, you need to step out beyond your relationship with your AF and look at it from the other side. But the reality is that as a WM, you will never totally understand this issue as well-meaning as you may be. As an AM who has sisters and relatives who are dating WM’s, I probably have a better view on this discussion. My sister who is unhappily married to a WM has said to me, “ you know, I wish I had just looked for a good guy...” She only dated WM’s and seemed to be focused on achieving that goal and as much as I love her and feel badly for her and her kids, I don’t have too much sympathy because she made a conscious choice to marry a WM first, the person may have come second. Have a little bit of sensitivity to this issue Rob, because you truly can’t understand it as well as someone who has lived in the US as an ethnic minority. You’ve made some insensitive comments about assimilation but assimilation does not mean you have to date a white person or wear a baseball cap or shop at Abercrombie and Fitch or what have you. I will defend my right to be Chinese and be American, and if I date a WF so be it. If I end up dating a nice AF or BF or LF that’s cool to. It is possible to date someone of your own race and still be assimilated and be a good American, don’t you think so? There are intrinsically some good reasons to date within your race but all I look for is an attractive, down to earth woman who respects/loves me, and my culture/ethnicity is part of who I am.

If you dare, scratch beneath the surface of your relationship with Lisa and try to understand why she only dates WM’s, not just because it’s her preference, ask her for explicit reasons if you truly want to know more. But my guess is that she will get a bit defensive if you pry and why is that? In the end, I hope that your relationship with Lisa doesn’t fall into the category I’ve described above and I hope that you are truly happy together. But it is my belief that those AF/WM relationships that exist just because he’s white or she’s Asian will not succeed because it bypasses the most important component of a successful long-term relationship. Having two people love each other and make each other better people just because of who they are as people, not because of their race...
Ronbo (Bay Area)
howudoinsf@hotmail.com    Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 23:48:40 (PST)    [12.81.67.9]
MLK,

Great to see you again. Perhaps we can get some positive attitudes toward AFs and AMs going?
---------------------------------------

Rob,

"and Huu who prefers WF"

Huu is not pro-WF; he is anti-AF. He hates all Asian females, and supposedly only likes non-Asian women (not just WF). He wrote a message to Repost on December 13 criticizing him for labeling all non-AF as white. Huu said, "I date more than just white. Still hasn't sunk in has it. I liked how Rob guys "girlfriend" highlighted white, kind of like how you highlight all non-AF as white."

"If I had lied, would you support me? But instead I told the truth."

You already lied too much about your fake story of Lisa.
B. Lee
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 20:04:03 (PST)    [207.172.11.148]
Repost,

Sorry, but asians get more than our fair share of your cross-section.

AW can be nice to me and I can be nice to them, but in the end, they all get painted with the same brush, they can't be trusted if you happen to be asian.

If you don't like the truth, then just keep on ignoring it. I'd like to see your reactions the day some guy sincerely asks "Why don't asian women prefer asian men?"
huu76
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 19:18:21 (PST)    [65.95.200.244]
T K Chang

I just read a post i think was by you??

You were on a date with a Korean girl and:

"she casually brought up that she preferred White men and had always dated only White men until last year (when she hit 30.) So I excused myself and headed for the exit"

Way to go anyway....i think it shows a lot of balls!....the obvious question is what was she doing on a date with you in the first place???....just out for a free dinner...filling in time between re-runs of Friends.....if she's still single at thirty maybe it's just as well she missed the boat!
maxdacat
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 17:38:28 (PST)    [129.223.37.13]
I agree with T'K Chang.

We can liken huu76 to a broken record.

The man wishes he was never born Asian.
boo huu huu
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 16:43:16 (PST)    [208.48.177.5]
Repost:

>>I hope you’d expect a guy to open the car door for you.<<

Yeah, my boyfriend did actually, though when I think of it I never really asked him for it. But of course, yes, I appreciate it, it was considerate of him.

Sometimes people have to stand up for what they believe and expect to get nothing out of it. Only the satisfaction that maybe they have made a difference for the better. If there weren't great people an thinkers in the past who were brave enough to stand up for what they thought was right in the face of adversity, the world wouldn't now be a better place. I am not saying that I am like them - that I am a great hero - but, I'm not doing it so that there will be clarification of issues here, not so that Rob will be indebted to thanking me.

>>Your phrase "Asian women CHOOSE to date only Asian men" is imprecise, to say the least. <<

Yes, it's supposed to read "Asian women {who} choose to only date Asian men".
As you may have well noticed, it changes meaning somewhat, which is why I didn't say it that way in the first place. But hey, you could apply the same kind of syntactic dissection to Rob's original statement "Asian women are free to date only Asian men"; you could say: Is the phrase supposed to read "{All} Asian women are free to date only Asian men" or "Asian women {who} are free to only date Asian men". There is a very noticeable difference in meaning too. But you didn't seem to think that it was ambiguous, which makes me think that the sentence I wrote shouldn't be all that ambiguous to you either; certainly, there is nothing gramatically wrong with it.

Now, in relation to the above "choose" statement that I wrote and you fixed, I know what you're gonna say: you will say that I am critisizing their personal choice and calling them closed-minded because they only choose to date Asian men and not White men, right? BUT! Notice I am not claiming that to be my opinion. I am saying (what I was saying by that) is that Rob didn't actually mean this when he said "Asian women are only free to date Asian men". This here above was what was B.Lee's interepretation of Rob's comment and I took the opportunity to point out to him that I believe he was mistaken. So, now you'll have to think of something else to accuse me of. I'm sure you will come up with something, you're a very creative guy.

>>Stop pulling garbage out of thin air...<<

I am not pulling "garbage" out of thin air - I knew this all along and I don't have to make anything up. You seriously are an academic? The statement "are free" per se is ambiguous and can have more than one interpretation, but in the combination "are free only" it implies that there is a restriction placed, as in for example "Children are free to only drink juice, not alcohol". So, they have a restriction placed on what they are allowed to drink.... maybe some older children would like to try drinking alcohol, but are not allowed to by law or by their parents. It doesn't mean that it is "their choice and only their choice" to not drink alcohol. What is so hard to understand in that? Do you always have to make something out of nothing? Seems to me you are pulling garbage out of thin air!

Yes, the terms "freedom" and "choice" can (sometimes) be synonyms of each other, but not in this case. There is a very noticeable difference, as I have already explained - I will not bother to do it again, as you obviously try your best to not understand.

>>If an Asian woman only dated white men, she is considered open-minded. But if she then decides to date only Asian men, then she is now closed-minded? <<

NO-oooo.... as I have already said: Who cares who she dates!! It is her choice, we are not disputing that. It's when society is trying to impose restrictions on dating for the wrong reasons... that's what is bothering Rob (and me). I addressed this very same issue with you on Tuesday, December 10, in my very long post to you... but like I said, you do not try to understand. Instead, you keep repeating the same things which you have said before and which I (and Rob) have refuted. You cannot lose your face and admit that maybe you were wrong in your interpretation of Rob's and mine's posts, can you... So, go ahead, keep your head in the sand then.

>>Where the two of you totally miss the boat is that the mainstream Asian women are not properly represented in the media.<<

I think that I never even mentioned anything about the American media, but since you've brought the topic, fine. I will tell you something that you probably don't know: I live in Canada, not US. In fact, I have never even been to the US. The only TV channel I have here which originates from America is the public-broadcasting WNED (Channel 17), and they don't seem to me to have disputable programming like you mentioned. I don't have cable, so I only have a few Canadian channels (CBC, CTV, Global), WNED, and some others which I don't remember as I don't watch them. Mostly I watch CBC, which is a Canadian Public TV Channel and I think it is very good. The stuff I watch is mostly news, then some educational shows (I like "The Nature of Things" with David Suzuki), then for entertainment I like to watch shows like "Air Farce" which is a Canadian show that is mostly satirising things in politics and the like. And I also like fairy tales! Now that it is Winter
and Christmas, they have all the old-fashioned children's goodies like "Frosty the Snowman", "The Last Polar Bears", "White Christmas" and so on - much more important than some silly shows full of intrigues :-))) Plus figure-skating, that is also my favourite. One time, I've seen a real Chinese movie on CTV, I don't know what it was called as I didn't catch it from the beginning, but it was in Chinese with only sub-titles. It was about an older man, who worked as a cook, with his three grown daughters. The youngest was a student, got pregnant and went to live with her boyfriend, the middle was a Christian who worked as a teacher, she fell in love with another teacher, married him and converted him into Christianity, and the oldest just had an affair and didn't really marry. It was supposed to be happenning in Taiwan, I think... maybe somebody here knows what it's called. I've also seen a HK movie that my boyfriend showed me once, I don't know what it's called either - "Grandmother" or something like that. There was a quite pretty lady acting in it who he said was Miss of Hong Kong ten years ago. So - I guess you're right, I don't know much about the media representations of Asians, but then again, that doesn't stop me from making a sound judgement, I think.
eastern-european girl
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 14:50:35 (PST)    [64.228.61.18]
yeah huu 76 disgusts asian women...but who cares? the women couldn't care less what a weakling feels about them...
taht's it
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 14:21:40 (PST)    [61.11.245.7]
Repost & TK Chang

I suggest you give it a rest in your attacks against Rob, it's proving unfruitful. I do see his point that it is unfair that Lisa is targeted so heavily when there are also "sell-outs" (not necessarily an apt term) from different races and gender. Lets not be so naive and just accept that people like Lisa are conditioned differently and that people discriminate and have prejudices, like it or not.
Polyglot
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 13:38:54 (PST)    [203.29.131.4]
Rob's Lisa (whether she is imaginary or not) is anything BUT open-minded.

Rob refuses to answer my inquiry: If an Asian woman REFUSES to date Asian men and date ONLY White men. Is she "open minded"?

Again, there is NOTHING spectacularly "open minded" about Asian women dating White men. Asian women dating White men is widely accepted in both Asian and White communities, whether some people like it or not. AM/WM is the social NORM. It is the most accepted interracial relationship. We see it in the media and out in the open every day. It needs no further encouragement and acknowledgement.

If there is ONE interracial relationship that needs encouragement and acknowledgement, it is Asian MALES dating White FEMALES, which is constantly being bashed and disapproved (openly or subtlely) by both Asians and Whites, both men and women.

And don't forget my question: If an Asian woman, for whatever rationale, refuses to date Asian men and date ONLY White men. Is she open minded? I do not think Rob can or wants to answer this simple question.
T'K Chang
t_k_chang@yahoo.com    Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 12:59:44 (PST)    [207.167.97.220]
Repost,

Semantics aside. The fact of the matter is that there exist asian women that prefer white men. There are asian women that prefer black men. And could it be true? there are asian women that prefer asian men. The same could be said of asian men.

This "close minded" thinking is relative.

Like those 3 "open minded" AF Rob claims to prefer WM, would be "close minded" to us.

But here's the ego boost, we all know that AF that prefer WM are ugly. So it all works out, like that movie "Shallow Hal"
AC Dropout
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 11:50:53 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Rob,

"Lisa has told me she prefers white men. My other two Asian girlfriends told me they prefer WM as well."

Not to point out the obvious. But if they did not prefer white men, they wouldn't be going out with you.

Do you think all asian women prefer white men?

Or would you rather prefer dating asian women that don't prefer white men?

"If I were to announce to the world that you like your girlfriend only because she "open[s] her legs" for you, how would you feel?"

I mean we are past the sexual revolution in the USA. Without sex people normally assume there is no "relationship" there, and just toss it up as puppy love in highschool or something of that nature.

Unless both of you are saving it for marriage, in which case we would just think your wierd.

"I'm glad I haven't showed her this board, as she would (like any other woman) be extremely offended. So what if she prefers men of my race?"

Why don't you? Any true relationship consist of talking, sex, money, and honesty. No point talking behind her back.

I'm mean seriously, do you think your relationship would be altered by reading a few post. Is the relationship that fragile, a few moments of self-examination would cause it to dissappear.
AC Dropout
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 10:51:21 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Rob,

I'm not certain people here are attacking you or your girlfriend about your racialized dating preferences. While some of us may find it unfortunate that people would use race as litmus test for dating, the decisions are ultimately personal.

What confuses me however, is your apparent position that an Asian woman who choses to only date White men are "open-minded" but an Asian womn who choses to only date Asian men are not.

It seems to me that people who chose to date or not date people because of their race are closed minded. It doesn't really matter whether its AF/WM, AF/AM or WF/AM or whatever other combination.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you wrote. Care to set the record straight?
Allenby
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 10:48:19 (PST)    [132.200.32.32]
I usually don't have much to say on the subject...because I don't have much of an issue with IR.

But recently given the time of year, it usually the time to meeting up with old aquaintences and catching up.

I've noticed a lot of my asian women friends involved in IR are going out or married to Latina.

I've also noticed among my asian males friends when they are involve in IR are with Jewish women.

There also a lot of Corean/Chinese couples too...but I don't really consider it IR, since they all ABC.
AC Dropout
   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 10:32:48 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]

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