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IS THE AA GENDER DIVIDE REAL?
(Updated Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 06:05:23 PM)

sian American women are abandoning AA men by the millions. Young AA women seek out any race of men but their own. Women like Amy Tan write books and make movies that dump on AA men and glorify Asian women in relationships with white men.
     That's the perception of many AA men.
     On what do they blame this state of affairs? Brainwashing by media that play up white men while cutting Asian men off at the knees. Desire for payback by AA women who feel slighted by their families and Asian society. Large numbers of non-Asian men with blind fetishes for Asian women. Some even acknowledge that Asian men are often too fixed in their ideas of how a woman should look and behave, causing many AF to feel devalued.
     Other Asian Americans see AF outmarriage rates as merely a natural state of affairs for a 4% minority population that includes many recent immigrants. The outmarriage gender gap will narrow as growing Asian population centers provide ready access to bigger pools of singles. Besides outmarriage isn't the same as rejecting one's racial identity, they argue. Many AF who outmarry retain strong identification with their Asian identity.
     Is there really an Asian American gender divide? Is so, what's behind it? If not, what's behind the perception?

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WHAT YOU SAY

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"with beautiful,intelligent,open minded women like MLK"

Repost,
Listen. Your reasoning is extremely typical. Why am I not surprised? Of course an AM will be so quick to say that an AF is not beautiful, intelligent and open minded for dating WM. Because I may have different views that does not make me unattractive, stupid and stuck! If AM would stop with their bashing and finicky and picky behaviors then maybe more AF would be interested! Its always okay for AM to go on and on about how they have a thing for WF. If an AF feels this way then we are labled immediately. This is a double standard. Just face it. If I was not open minded then I would not be interested in a relationship with a WM. If I was close minded I would be like the rest of you who have nothing better to do than be cruel and demeaning to people like Rob, Lisa and Eastern European Canadian girl. So far I haven't heard any of them saying nasty hateful things to any of you! I have only heard bickering and borderline namecalling from the AM on here. You AM probably have problems with hapas too I bet! And people that look like hapas! Buncha Racists!
Sharon
Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 09:35:12 (PST) [209.214.168.177]

Sharon,

I for one as an AM respect your honesty in your "preference for WM" and absolute avoidance of anything Asian, likely including yourself. It's just too bad that you were born Asian, but on the other hand you should definitely be yourself. I know this sounds ironic and contradicting but such describes your life and many of your AF sisters. I really do appreciate your honesty.

I have known, dated AFs like yourself who actually profess to be pro-Asian, until you get to know them and even develop an intimate relationship with them. Nothing is worse than that. I'm the type of guy who can date just about anyone really. I have no complaints in the women-getting department. I even had women like yourself. Therefore I really appreciate a straight-forward AF like yourself because they I would know not to ever approach you in that way. Honesty is the best policy. Please AF, just be honest. There are too many of us AM who prefer AF but who can also date other women very easily. Don't break our hearts by actually dating us for whatever reasons and then having find out who you really are on the inside.

I'm very happy with my current gf, who's a striking blonde. Although part of me still prefer the AF, at least physically, I think what's inside is more important. I certainly hope to never encounter a female like Sharon again. It's just too depressing as an AM. Therefore I thank AF's like her for showing their true colors up front. I'm being serious, not sarcastic. By the way, if you don't think girls like Sharon make up a majority of AFs in the US, then I feel bad for you, if you are an AM.
Just a Thought
Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 02:22:03 (PST) [24.168.129.39]

To Repost,
Being compared to Garrett Wang is probably off-base; I view him as a nice conservative guy. I've always viewed myself as rebellious and angry, similar to Denzel Washington in a few of his early films.
Ironically, earlier in my career I aspired to be a successful musician. I toured and played in studio sessions. I broke away from it so that I could focus on rock music with an Asian flavor, but I found myself ahead of my time. No other Asian musicians wanted to participate in something like this, which only lead me to become more angry, frustrated, and depressed. It was this lack of self-interest from my fellow Asian musicians that lead me to get a regular job in the studio system. I've learned a lot about how the film industry works, and based upon the rise of a few Asian talents, I've decided to work on Asian stories. Check out my post in the Mass Media Bias Against Asians forum; you can respond to my post there as it would probably be more appropriate.
AsianHollywood
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 21:31:14 (PST) [63.233.25.159]

I knew there was a Caroline somewhere. Be a bit more original Rob.
Polyglot
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 15:57:23 (PST) [203.29.131.4]

Asian to the bone,
You're like a male version of the AFs I hate.
You seem to take great joy when anything white and female acknowledges you.
You seem to be suffering from the same ailment that Sharon has.

If you go IR, at least do it for one of two reasons.
1) Like me, you downright hate AF attitudes.
2) You genuinely like them for who they are, not because they represent some elusive trophy that'll boost your self-esteem (namely whites).

I always like to think AM are stronger than that, but obviously we're not.
huu76
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 07:13:56 (PST) [207.164.88.163]

Sharon,
There must've been a 2for1 sale when you sold out.
Did it ever occur to you that whites (probably only men) like you because you're an extra easy picking?
I doubt that they go out of their way for you, you probably bend over backwards to act white for them.
I too have an english surname, big deal. I don't know what kind of job you have, but it takes more than just a name to stay employed.
You're brownish hair colour indicates one to two things, you were born here or you're starting to go gray.
You don't like brown eyes (lots of white people have brown eyes too)? Have you looked in the mirror lately? Guess not cause it's obvious you seem to think you're white. Hope that Asian face looking back at you doesn't come as a big shock. You probably wear colour contacts too don't you? Sorry to break the news to you but banana is the closest you'll ever be to white.
About you wanting a happa baby. I can let it slide for other people, but you're child will be conceived because you're ashamed of being Asian. I kind of hope he/she looks purely Asian, remember that our genes are stronger so chances are he/she will.

Can you clarify your comment on "settling for less" and nice cars etc.

If that DNA treatment from the James Bond movie were ever created, you'd be the first one in line to get a ticket.

I must thank you though, you're living proof of what I've been saying. There's a little bit of you in every AF.
Merry Christmas.

P.S. Were you adopted by white folks?
huu76
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 07:09:11 (PST) [207.164.88.163]

To: Sharon

"Gazing into beautiful blue eyes as opposed to drab dark eyes."

What color are your eyes? Just curious.
Repost
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 02:21:11 (PST) [66.92.1.200]

To: B.Lee

"look up a picture of Tia Carrere on the internet"

Is that Tia Carrere with or without make-up?
Repost
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 01:07:12 (PST) [66.92.1.200]

To: AC

�What? You don't like girls? Oh your on that side of the gender divide. I get it ... -_^�

Girl or boy, I don�t like either. A hamster is a hamster. You like girl hamsters? Sick-O. ;)
Repost
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 00:49:10 (PST) [66.92.1.200]

To: huu76

This bickering and insulting going back and forth really isn�t much of a point. It won�t change you and it won�t change me. I�ve claimed that I understand how you feel, and I will try to tell you why. You know all the posts that are going on right now that I�m involved with. After you finish reading this post, I�m sure you�ll realize I�m sticking my neck out writing this. Some people here will try to demonize me one way or another � as you have seen them try to do before. I�m sure they�ll think of ways to warp what I am going to write into some �Repost is a blood-sucking, Asian women-hating monster.� But that�s ok. I hope you � huu76 � can take what I write as sincere, and if I can shed some light for just one Brother � you, huu76 � then it�s all worth it to me. After all, you�re an Asian Brother; they�re not.

So, here it goes.

Allow me to set the stage. I�ve dated some white women but mostly Chinese women. I was never aware of this Gender Divide issue until a few years go. Really. I�ve never heard of Goldsea. Most of my Asian friends dated Asian. Most of my white friends dated white. Most of my black friends dated black. You can call my friends homogeneous. I never knew of this gender/racial tension � until I dated my last girlfriend. She is a Chinese woman. We dated for about 2.5 years and I broke up with her about 3 years ago. Let�s call her Jennifer.

Initially, the flirting was heavy and the chemistry was hot. We had a lot of fun together as friends. But here comes the first hint. Out of nowhere one day, she told me that she�s never dated an Asian guy before because no Asian man has ever asked her out. I really thought nothing of it. But in retrospect, that�s a red flag. We live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and no Asian guy has asked her out? Could I actually be the first? As I started to meet her group of friends later, there were indeed good Asian men who tried to date her. Still kind of dense, I was.

As the saying goes, one thing led to another and then we were in bed. Sex was really, really hot. And when that was finally over, there was this sense of peace. I�m sure you know that feeling � the silent tranquility after the violent storm. We were so close for the first time � so close that I must have somehow tripped a landmine. In bed, while lying together, she said, �my friends will never believe it � Jennifer is dating an Asian guy.� Now if I knew what I know now, I would have turned that into my first one-night-stand and said goodbye. So, here, go ahead and call me dense. I stepped into a minefield, blew off my left leg, and I didn�t even know it.

And this minefield was dense with landmines as a beach is dense with sand. I can tell you so many other sinister things she said, but I�m sure you can get the picture. Her insults encompassed many of my friends � those who were Asian men. Her common theme � Asian men are below white men, black men, other/non-Asian men. We�d get into fights, I�d break up with her, she�d come back knocking down my door crying � truly feeling sorry, how can I not take her back with her being so sorry, I�d give in, and the cycle starts again. How�s that for a couple of cups of codependency added to the batter?

What does a guy do when he is in a relationship that is making him feel he�s pulled down into the drain? For me, I worked my ass off. I worked so much that I broke my company�s all time record for hours billed in a year � of any year since the company was founded in the 80�s. There were months I clocked over 320 billable hours and that didn�t include prep and non-billable. My customers loved me and my employer loved me. Where it took at least four years being at the company to be invited into the senior consultants group for all other members, it took me only one. That�s all I lived for. Work was where I got my validation.

Eventually, work was also what I used to break up with her. Work more, see her less. As long as we didn�t go through that get-in-a-fight-then-make-up scenario, I was able to keep that distance. Half a year went by with just Jennifer calling me every couple of weeks, and I�d always keep the calls as cordial and related to career as possible. Since I was about to move anyway, I was just planning on moving and dropping out of her sight. But then I thought to myself � I did everything with the best intent, to the best of my abilities, why should I be the one running away? So I called her back, wished her happiness, and ended it there.

I sacrificed a lot for that relationship. Besides other things, gave up two friendships. I had two dear friends who were unfalteringly supportive of me. Jennifer saw them as a threat. Of all my relationships, this one was the one I operated with the most �all-out� commitment. I know some people will not give up any friends for their significant other, but I did. Do I regret it? No. I can say that I gave my best to the relationship, and when I walked away, I never looked back.

At this point, you might be asking, why did Jennifer want to be with me � an Asian guy, when she obviously disrespected Asian men? Jennifer lived the contradiction that to be liberated, she cannot be with an Asian man, while she saw in me what she respected in a man � a person who is responsible, takes care of family, and has that �all-out� commitment. That�s not to say non-Asian men are not responsible, do not take care of family, or are not committed; it�s simply that the men she dated before did not compare in those ways. I just so happened to be the first one to meet that par, but where I lacked in her eyes was that I am Asian.

Along the way there was another profound side to me that changed. Whereas before I looked at any woman as just another woman, I was having withdrawals from dealing with Asian women � socially or at work � even after I ended that relationship. I knew that Jennifer was just one Asian woman, and that many Asian women are not like her. The girlfriend I dated before Jennifer would only date Chinese men � as if she is a Chinese woman with a severe, incurable Chinese fetish. But more importantly, I have begun to realize that I can also do the same damage the way Jennifer did. If I allowed myself to do that, then I�m really no better than Jennifer. Jennifer tried to cast her demon on me; it�s my choice to be weak and cast it onto others, passing the buck; but it�s also my choice to be strong and exorcise it, stopping it on its track.

The best way to not break something fragile is not to touch it, right? So for awhile I kept a distance from all Asian women. It really wasn�t too long ago that I couldn�t imagine myself being with an Asian woman. After all, the one woman in my life that I truly, passionately, deeply loved the most from the bottom of my heart � also the only one I am still friends with � is white, so I can eventually find happiness without Asian women, right? But really, who was I kidding? If I didn�t come to terms with this, my being with a non-Asian woman will at least in part be an escape. And an escape is not what love is about � at least that�s not what I think love is about.

I wanted my next to be my last. After all, at my age, heartbreaks are just getting a little too old for my taste. So, I chose to stay single until the right woman comes along. While I had a lot of time to reflect, first came a lot of soul searching. Then I bumped into Goldsea. What a surprise: I�m not alone. But what saddens me is that there are a number of Asian men here who are more than trigger-happy to blast away at any Asian woman � and vice versa. Asian women can be hurt the way Asian men can be hurt, the way I vividly remember being hurt those dark times of my life. A part of me agreed with what some the Asian men here were venting about. But I truly believe that is the small picture. Being victimized by an Asian woman is not a passport to victimize other Asian women, and vice versa. If someone cuts you down, cut that person back down � an eye for an eye. But just make sure the eye you take is of the same person who vilified you.

What you're doing, I�m sure you have your reasons. But are they anything like having experienced dating someone like Jennifer? And if they are, then you should know what it feels like facing down that barrel at point-blank range, have her look you in the eye, smile at you, then willfully pull the trigger on you. Then while you drown in your own blood, you notice that she is basking in the glory of having ripped you apart, relishing the sight of you fighting for your breath. And this is the very person who is supposed to love you? Now given the opportunity to pull that trigger, and knowing what it felt like being on the other end, would you? Could you? And if you�re going about it the shotgun-style, aren�t you blasting away at Asian women like MLK and Azn Angel as well?

By not pulling that trigger, there�s no guarantee that an Asian woman, given the opportunity, will also not pull that trigger on you or another Asian brother of yours. I�ve written this before about the Gender Divide, and I�ll write it again: one person�s pain is another person�s gain. There will always be Asian women who will cut down on Asian men at every turn, and there will always be some non-Asian men who are the vultures preying on this divide. And the vice versa is true as well. Until the last person leaves, Gender Divide will always be here, providing for the vultures the blood of our Brothers and Sisters. But membership is voluntary. You can join and renew at your own free will. You can cancel your membership at any time. And maybe you can take Brother or Sister along with you out of that club.

And while we�re talking about vultures, let�s touch on the subject of vested interests. Vultures love the Gender Divide. You remember CaliGirl egging you on to cap on Asian women, don�t you? Didn�t you think she got a great ego boost by reading an Asian man putting her on a higher pecking order than women of his own race? That�s all it was. She used you � as well as all the Asian women you vilified � for a cheap ego boost. And where is she now? No, not all non-Asian people are like that. Those who are indeed involved in true relationships are the ones who�d want to avoid the Gender Divide to begin with � because they know hatred is never a healthy thing in a relationship. And what is your personal vested interest being a member? You are Asian � you have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

That's my introduction to and take on the Gender Divide � personally prepared for and delivered to me. I�d like to make a formal protest � but I don�t know to whom at this time � that it was rather rude for life to have introduced me to it this way, like parachuting me behind enemy lines blindfolded.

There�s a silver lining; I definitely wouldn�t be where I am today in my career if I didn�t fire up the afterburners working that hard then. But more importantly, I learned something about human nature. Take for example: locating minefields. Having walked through a minefield, I also picked up a handy tool I like to call a mine-detector. You see some Asian women laying their mines here, don�t you? If they�re really that happy with their white/black/other boyfriends, why would they spend the time telling us everything a white/black/other man is where an Asian man is not? That�s their cheap ploy � to ruffle our feathers. And once we react with any hostility, they�ll cast us as �disturbed Asian men who are jealous of the Asian women/non-Asian men relationship� or something vile in that nature. To camouflage their trap, they�ll tell you some good-sounding reasons, but underneath, they hide their true, insidious intent. The classic bait and snare, isn�t it? Life is full of that. The fun part is exposing the trap to everyone around you.

I hope this can shed some light for, if nothing else, my sincerity from one Brother to another. Thanks for bearing with me for the full length of this post. To answer your question, if a Russian guy � or any man or woman � asks me why �so many� Asian women prefer non-Asian men, I�d answer, in all honesty: every human being has his or her own reasons for his or her own choices, but we each eventually sleep in the bed that we make.
Repost
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 00:48:54 (PST) [66.92.1.200]

"Trust me, both Annie and Lisa had (and probably still have) their pick of AM"

I can' t belive how easily you forgot what you wrote:(really, I couldn't believe that!)

"I asked her if she would date me if I were Asian. She said no, because she prefers white men. She only dates white men and has only dated white men. "

trust you? Which of these two lines do yu you want us to trust..or you force us to trust both?

Trust you ? Can you trust someone who backpeal on everything he/she says?
do you know what is trust
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 19:55:23 (PST) [61.11.245.6]

Repost,

Thanks for relaying the message from MLK. I'll be taking a temporary break for the holidays. Happy holidays to you and MLK.

"She is having finals right now and is afraid of getting caught in the Goldsea tractor beam."

I know what you mean.

----------------------------
And to address this issue:

> you said on December 20:
> "I have had three Asian girlfriends"
>
> However, this is contradictory to what you said on December 17:
>
> "My other two Asian girlfriends"

The phrase "I have had" refers to past tense, so saying "I have had three Asian girlfriends" means Rob had three asian GFs in the past. However, he says he is currently dating Lisa, so Lisa doesn't count as a gf he has had in the past. That is how I interpreted it.
B. Lee
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 19:16:01 (PST) [207.172.11.148]

Sharon:
To quote you:

"Don't fall victim to conformity.Do what you feel is right for yourself."

>> Conformity depends on the context Sharon. You weren't conforming to the mainstream school scene when you were a goth, but were still trying to conform within your own clique and you're trying to do the same within your circle of white-only friends. But try as hard as you like Sharon, you only stick out like a sore banana.

"I get mistaken for being a hapa all the time because I have light brown hair and eyes. If I was a bigot then why would I want to have a hapa baby? Why would I bother to want that? Alot of people both Asian and White tell me that I have a striking resemblance to a light haired light eyed Joan Chen."

>>Are you sure you're asian? Asians don't have light hair or eyes. It seems you don't like looking dark - the same complex that Michael Jackson has. You feel the need to dilute your complexion and marry whites so that your children will have fairer skin.

"...This is one of the reasons for changing my first and last name....Now that I am Sharon, I get more attention and equal treatment socially with my job and with my peers socially. I have always been more accepted by Whites. They have always gone out of their way to make me feel welcomed."

>>You're busted Sharon. You loath yourself so much you need to reinvent yourself by wasping your name. The only reason why you only feel accepted by whites is because you selectively choose to associate yourself with them.
Golden Smooth Polyglot
hairlesswrinklfree@hotmail.com Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 15:49:51 (PST) [203.29.131.4]

Mia,

You are just too cool. Best wishes with your family.

J-Lo is a Newyorican. I don't think she's even been to PR.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 14:35:33 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

Rob,

"I will assert my authority as a full leader of the new America."

Not if I get there first...^_^. Don't worry there always room for a court jester.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 14:33:00 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

Rob:
""Lisa looks like Tia Carrere."

I thought Rob mentioned that his Lisa was Chinese earlier. Tia Carrere does not even look Chinese. A full-blooded Chinese woman does not look like Tia Carrere. Tia Carrere is some sort of Pacific Islander or mixed.

Rob should really do RESEACH and STUDY Chinese cultures and characteristics before he made up obvious dumb lies (AGAIN and AGAIN) about Chinese cultures or women.
T'K Chang
t_k_chang@yahoo.com Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 13:36:40 (PST) [207.167.96.51]

Rob,

So you would tell us AM to go for it. Even though our intentions in these IR relationships are less than honorable.

Wow, I'm starting to like you already. You got a sister? ^_^
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 12:12:32 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

Repost,

dual PhD...now that is rich.

Rob harmless, look at his response to my post. He just some liberal casanovia looking for the deeper meaning of having relationship with an asian woman.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 12:01:28 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

Sharon,

So when you going to get to that phase of your life when you realize that AM can make you feel just as welcomed as any WM you've met in the USA.

Look having an Americanized first name is no biggy. I find it strange sometime when I bump into asian who keep using their Chinese, Korean, or Japanese names in English.

But changing your family name before you even get married. That's a little odd. But it is your choice, if you think it is going to make you happy.

A rose by any other name is still a rose.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:58:14 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

Sharon,

Are you truly who you claim you are?
This s*** sounds like a bad impersonation of an AF to me. How can the color of the skin make someone feel whole. Either you're some loser with lots of time to waste doing impersonations on the web or you're an extremely shallow 14 year old girl having identity problems.
ck
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:51:54 (PST) [196.40.43.218]

Repost,

She is just playing with us. Ignore her. So there is no need to get jealous.

Happy Holiday one and all.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:50:43 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

AF not for anti-AF AM,

I've been posting for huu78 for a pretty long time. He is definitely anti-AF. I think he might be a misogynist.

But if you are one of those women that enjoy saving a fallen angel be my guest.

And what about you man...I don't see a ring on you finger...^_^
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:48:58 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

eastern-european girl,

"Eew... that's sick. Psychopath."

And what is so Psychopathic about looking for someone who will love me regardless of my race.

I guess you're not as open minded as you thought -_^.
AC Dropout
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:44:40 (PST) [24.136.115.189]

Repost, could you kiss MLK's ass any more?? Sure, to Asian men she presents this facade of being very nice and pro-AM, but not that long ago she was belittling those in Inter Racial Relationships and viciously protecting "her" Asian men from non-Asian women because they "belonged" to only Asian women. Whatever.

I think we should all chip in some money for Sharon's surgery so that she can finally complete her ultimate fantasy of being white. She's dating a white man, has changed her name, turned her back on her culture, now all she has to do to finish the job is have some minor eye surgery, dye her hair blonde (if she hasn't already) and get some blue contacts and Voila! She will finally attain her true heart's desire.
Sharon is pathetic
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:41:55 (PST) [207.183.117.61]

"Asian To The Bone

Personally, I still h8 this Am/Wf couples thing. I'm like that. So, don't take this the wrong way.
dsfbcbsijbdax"

Please give me more background so that we may discuss the issues.

To Sharon,

I hear you. I'm not ruling out AFs entirely but it's just that at this point, white females are coming on strong. BTW I saw Joan Chen shopping on Union St.in San Francisco. Didn't realize it until I cruised past her. I should have allowed her to cross in front of me if I had known.

To East European Girl,

I've been noticing your type around these parts. I can spot most of them by the way they dress and carry themselves. They seem to have a flair for the dramatic in my visual sightings. So what's the deal with you gals anyway? I know everyone's an individual but in your opinion, how do your type like to be approached? That is, do you like to be approached or do you like to do the approaching? Do you like lots of eye contact first and then ice breaking? Share the 411.
Asian To The Bone
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:16:32 (PST) [205.188.208.107]

Hi Mia,
your post was really nice and also sad. I wish you all the best in your future life. Make a good living for your baby girl and for your family. I'm just curious, will you tell your baby girl who her dad was? Or will you try to withdraw it from her in order to protect her from pain? I'm sorry if this question offends you, but I'm just curious. Anyhow, best of luck! :)
eastern-european girl
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:30:41 (PST) [64.228.96.24]

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