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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
WHAT FOBs THINK OF AMERICAN-BORN ASIANS
y FOBs we mean anyone who has ever been called an FOB. -- "fresh-off-the-boat", anyone not born here. In other words, half the AA population. Even the 2 million AA who immigrated as kids and speak English like -- or in some cases, better than -- native-born Americans rarely escape the sting of being dismissed by American-Born Asians (ABAs) based on real or imagined differences.
The stereotype of the hopeless FOB who just doesn't get American culture is all too familiar. But intra-Asian prejudice is a two-way street.
No less insulting are the images held by FOBs. ABAs are the descendants of the lowliest of peasants forced to flee their homelands to become indentured servants, sniff some FOBs. Born and bred to accept second-class status in a white society, sneer others. Slackers who don't know the meaning of ambition and sacrifice -- and who lack the guts to do anything about it in any case.
FOBs run the socio-economic gamut. A significant minority (perhaps a tenth) are highly successful trans-Pacific business families seeking a safe haven for their fortunes. The vast majority are engineers, scientists, physicians and academics braving the uncertainties of new lives for a chance to work hard for more money and better opportunities. A few are refugees and illegals risking their lives to escape hopeless, grinding poverty.
It's safe to say few FOBs feel in any respect disadvantaged relative to American-born Asians. In fact, given a dozen years most do as well or better than ABAs financially, if not socially. They can be excused, then, for harboring some less-than-flattering assessments of ABAs. By the same token, in their struggle to acculturate, FOBs often come to appreciate the trails blazed by the ABS, or at least, by their ancestors.
Assuming you're FOB or straddling the FOB-ABA fence, what's your image of ABAs? Let's hear the good as well as the bad.
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Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 06:03:26 PM)
AA with too much time,
Seems like you can use your spare time to do more research.
"no Asian companies produce x86 compatible CPU."
Cyrix was bought by Via, a Taiwanese chipset company a couple of years ago.
"IBM is still a major player in the PC business"
IBM has not been a major PC player for a long time. Dell now is the one, whereas IBM still dominates the mainframe.
FOP (A HK Born Chinese)
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 18:43:38 (PST)
AA with too much time,
From '82 to '93. The market was flooded by "Fake" 286, 386, 486 CPU from greedy ODM factories. If you check the back of computer magazine at that time that are just advertised as x86 compatable or x86 clones.
Intel was pulling its hair out trying to think of a way to brand itself and its products. It lost court cases trying to copyright x86. But it was still an engineering company at that time.
Then in '93 pentium was coined to stop this. But then came the next wave of smarter counterfeit CPU into the market. Another story.
Remember Dell, Compaq, & Gateway only take up part of the PC market, and did not really have significant market shares till after 386 in the mid 486 era ('85 - '87 ish). The remainder of the market was flooded with custom builts. It was these cheaper custom builts that was significant in using MS OS and began MS penetration in the USA market. Not only in setting consumer price points for affordable PC, but also consumer confidence the product.
But before I go on too long and expound the virtue of Linux, BBS, shareware, killer apps and UUnet newsgroups.
The unlicensed ODM parts of the PC clones and perhaps unlicensed copy of the OS (like whoever paid for a every copy of DOS?) for individual use in the these machines were one of the key factors of IBM PC clone vs. Apple victory and MS dominance of OS.
AC Dropout
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 15:22:02 (PST)
I don't think Microsoft could do anything about Chinese violating Microsoft copyrights; the US gov't can't do much and the Chinese gov't don't give a damn either
AA with not much time
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 13:00:18 (PST)
this cantonese vs. taiwanese thing is so overrated it is laughable. I think this only happens in america. I got friends who are cantonese and mandarin and I get along fine with them no problems.There are rich cantonese and rich taiwanese and there are poor cantonese and poor taiwanese and this is the truth.
taiwanese dude
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 12:45:55 (PST)
cfc!
what are you smoking? More taiwanese people have PHD degrees canadiates then cantonese. Everybody has to get off their high horses and examine how crappy our own lives are.
michael chang
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 12:29:48 (PST)
AA with too much time,
Most Asian OEM and ODM company don't do a "virgin" test of their employees for "reverse engineering" project. It is just copied, plain and simply.
This environment lends to Asia overall speed in turn over in technology and consumer goods. Faster than you can copy is a motto. Hence, why are Japanese consumer electronics constantly changing. Because the South Korean and Taiwanese manufaturers will eat up your market if you don't make improvements right away.
AC Dropout
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 11:37:29 (PST)
CFC!,
Migration out of Mahattan Chinatown, is due to the fact it is very small area. Not much selection in where you can live. As oppose to Flushing which is 50 time larger than Chinatown. So people can still migrate to different neighborhoods and still remain in Flushing.
You're going to have to present some comparitive analysis of John Liu to the Cantonese candidate. I find that soc-eco background as being irrelavent, to be less than compelling.
Displacement of older immigrants by newer more driven immigrant is a common pattern since the begins of USA. So based on your simplistic model. White and Blacks grudgingly bow to us asians and reconginize our success. And one day we will also have to bow to the next wave of immigrants. Since Latino and Asian are so far the largest immigrant group in the last 10 years. I really don't know where the next wave will come from? Middle East? Who knows.
Race divided or Races divide. Have been changing quite rapidly these days. Now the most vocal Blacks realize that what use to be a stance principled self-intrest. Must be a stance of principles to get popular support.
If I could see future of this landscape, I would have made my millions as a political consultant, not a businessman.
AC Dropout
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 11:20:17 (PST)
AA with too much time & CFC!,
Quick synopsis of 80's and the PC clone market for the USA. The IBM PC was based on open architure, hence parts or pieces were available off the self.
The architure at the were denoted as x86. There was a feable attempt at XT, and AT nonemclature. Since, copyrighting of the 386, 486 numbers are basically out of the questions. Hence, with this loop hole Asian OEM and ODM companies flooded the world market with "reverse engineered" parts, before Compaq and Dell got a foothold in the USA market. We can debate forever on the view out the PC world being a grassroot movement of geeks and nerds at computer conventions, or Dell or Compaq making market penetration. I personally believe that it was more of a grass root movement in x86 days.
It was not until the marketing genius of CPU some company decide to choose copyrightable names for the CPU and supporting architure of the motherboards. That is how the Dells, Compaq, etc. could utilize the proper maketing leverage. This is also questionable since some of the owners of these computer manufacturers were still hawking "custom builts" in college as a part time job.
But fake "pentiniums" are still in the USA market from OEM and ODM companies in Asia. Some of the CPU were those that failed the various tolerances while others are just totally unlicensed.
IBM....I'm not going to debate about their PC division. In the business world they are known as the mainframe providers. Even their consulting division is known more as a hardware sales than a consulting service.
Depends how you look at Microsoft and goals. If their goals is to charge everyone for a copy of MS OS in China they have failed. If their goal is to have a the largest penetration in China market at no cost to themselves, they suceeded. They may have to think of other ways to collect money out of China consumer for using their product. But that is for smarter business people than myself who work at MS.
But without a doubt asian "reversed engineered," "clone," "unlicensed," "cheap" OEM and ODM parts played an very pivotal part in market penetration of afforable PC and MS dominance in OS.
Perhaps the general statement in business school is not entirely accurate. Perhaps a better statement is that Asian companies who are not playing by Western copyright concept are consider detrimental to the market space. However, western companies who are familar with "intellectual properties rights" and produce "generic" (i.e. pharmacy) are consider a fair competitor to the market.
AC Dropout
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 09:31:45 (PST)
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