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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
AA MEN SEEK OUT NON-ASIAN WOMEN
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Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 06:02:24 PM)
sian women are only interested in non-Asian men and don't give Asian men the time of day. That's the reason cited by many AA men for dating and marrying non-Asians. A minority of AA men say they simply find non-Asian women more physically attractive or more appealing in terms of personality, values and interests.
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Whatever the reasons, the rates at which young Asian men are dating and marrying non-Asian women are quickly approaching the rates at which Asian women are outdating and outmarrying (about 38%). Some Asian women are complaining that they aren't getting a fair shake because Asian men have been brainwashed by media standards of desirability.
What are the real reasons for so many Asian men seeking out non-Asian women? How do Asian women really feel about this trend? Who benefits most from it? Will the trend continue? We want to hear your views.
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Cali Girl:
I appreciate your posts and tend to agree with your viewpoints. I not unlike many AM here have very REALISTIC first-person's perspective on the often sell-out mentality of AFs in the US and likely elsewhere. It's good to face reality for what it is and just live your life to the best you can. You do not need to thank me. I think you are a good person and appreciate girls like you who see things as they are, and appreciate AM. My girlfriend is White, and although I've never discussed anything like this with her, I really appreciate the fact that she appreciates me for who I am. I do have to say that the non-AFs I'd dated in the past have seemed to appreciate me more than the AF girlfriends I'd known. The reality of the situation seems to be that the AF have so long ago abandoned the AM, that she hardly knows how to appreciate a good ones when he comes her way. As for the average AM that crosses the Af's path, well, lets just say she'll hardly acknowledge them if at all. It's definitely a good thing for the AM to wake up and smell the coffee, and as negative as this sounds to move on from the AF. Trust me on this one fellows. I've had plenty of experiences.
Just a NYC Asian Guy
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 01:08:45 (PDT)
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bad excuse:
so what do you think about the circumstance where an AM see an AF going ut w/ a non AM then automatically assume she is a sellout? Do you think it is a really bad argument too?
AF
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 22:56:20 (PDT)
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Bad excuse:
If not a racist, she is regarded as narrowminded. Whatever way she goes the AF might have a probelm w/ dating
AF
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 16:12:38 (PDT)
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Latinas for AMs,
Wow, this is really informative. Actually, Asian and Asian American men who came to the Americas have always intermarried with Latinas, Native Americans, Whites and Blacks. It's nothing new to history, but you wouldn't know that with the current media. I guess they want us to believe that Asian men were either sterile or asexual back then.
To add my two cents worth about Asian American male intermarriages, there was also a high number of intermarriages with black and Native American women in the Mississippi Delta and in the West as well as a high percentage of intermarriage to Irish women in New York. Gary Okihiro's book: Margins and Mainstreams: Asians in American History and Culture, has a section on it. In the beginning, it was the MEN who outmarried at higher percentages (obviously, because they had to leave the women behind in their respective countries). Also, during the early periods of slavery, some Filipinos and Asian Indians were sold into bondage and had their names changed into English names. (Read this in a historical book somewhere, can't remember the name of it, though).
There is some early literature featuring interracial relationships between Asian men and non-Asian women. Of course, I wouldn't recommend reading any of it because most of the stories have a certain alternative agenda (called: "just say no").
This is just my theory, but maybe one small (not the only) reason why Asian women were allowed enterance into the US after a while was to slow down the rate of intermarriage between Asian men and non-Asian (specifically white) women. Anti-immagration laws and intermarriage laws did not exist (or were not very well enforced) when Asian men first began to come to the US as laborers.
Joy
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 22:38:06 (PDT)
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AF(18),
"But if she dates exclusively AM than end up marrying an AM meaning she would have to totally avoid white , she might be viewed as a racist. "
Bad argument!! No, if she date exclusively AM don't mean she is racist. Maybe she happen to like them better. What you have up there don't make any sense. You have the meaning of racist, completly wrong. This is your excuse for asian female to date or marry outside their race and it's wrong excuse. Very bad!!
Bad excuse
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 22:33:31 (PDT)
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Latinas for AM,
Wow.. You did your homework. Thanks for the info. I've always wondered why some Peruvians have Japanese blood. My friend in high school was Peruvian, but his last name was Watanabe. I never bothered to ask him why it was so. I believe the present president of Peru is also of Japanese descent, no?
When I was stationed in Germany with the US Army, I was going after this beautiful Puerto Rican. She only dated whites, however. I've always had an attraction for Latinas and whites. (I ended up marrying a beautiful white female). I can't explain my attraction for non-Asian females. Oh well, at least I know I am not alone.
Anyway, thanks again.
Asian Bubba
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 10:26:08 (PDT)
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huu76
I despise asians who hate their own race, period. If they can't love themselves how would they deserve love from other people. A man/woman (regardless of race)would not appreciate someone w/ self hatred.
AF(18)
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 10:24:58 (PDT)
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Asian and Latino Intermarriage in the Americas has always occured. I really think if AMs in the USA opened up more to the idea of dating or marrying Latinas, many would not be without love.
Starting in the 16th century, the Spanish colonialists pressed Filipino sailors into the service of the Manila galleon trade between the Philippines and the Americas. Between 1565 and 1815, when Mexico revolted against Spain, hundreds of Filipino mariners jumped ship in Mexico to escape the brutality of Spanish masters.1 Some Filipinos settled in Acapulco, married Mexican women, and introduced Filipino practices such as the coconut wine-making process of "tuba", which became a native drink whose popularity challenged the profits of Spanish imported wines.2 During the independence war, the lieutenant of Guerrero, the Afro-Mexicano leader of the revolution, was General Isidoro Montesdeoca, a Filipino.
In the late 19th century, Japanese began migrating to Peru and Brazil in significant numbers. For a background and timeline of this phenomenon, see Nikkei-Peruvian and Nikkei-Brazilian Background and History at www.conncoll.edu. Today, there are more than a million ethnic Japanese living in Brazil. Contrary to the common stereotype that outmarriage is limited to Japanese women, immigrant Japanese men did marry Brazilian women.
Chinese began migrating to Mexico in the early 20th century. The Chinese population in Mexico consisted mostly of male laborers, and intermarriage with local women was the natural outcome.
Filipino men mixed with Mexican and Mexican American women in San Diego and Imperial counties of California.4 Since both Filipinos and Mexicans have absorbed Hispanic culture, Filipinos and Mexicans were quite compatible. However, white men felt threatened by the ability of Filipino men to attract Mexican women. In Watsonville, CA, the Watsonville Evening Pajaronian published an interview in which J.D. D.W. Rohrback of Pajaro was quoted as saying that Filipinos were "little brown men attired like 'Solomon in all his glory,' strutting like peacocks and endeavouring to attract the eyes of young American and Mexican girls." The general anti-Filipino mood was pushed over the edge by white men's fear concerning 'their' women. 4 days of anti-Filipino events in Watsonville culminated in the murder of a 22-year old Filipino on January 22, 1930.5
Filipino and Mexican farmworkers in California had a history of organizing together for better work conditions. In 1938, the Filipino Agricultural Laborers Association was formed. However, Filipino organizers believed the inclusion of all farmworkers was critical, and invited Mexican workers and other ethnic groups into their ranks. They later changed the union's name to the Federated Agricultural Laborers Association (FALA). There was a strong need for people of color to band together because non-whites were not welcome in white unions, and white vigilante mobs persecuted Filipino labor organizers. An overview of the history of Filipino cross-community organizing can be found in Filipinos Build a Movement for Justice in the Asparagus Fields. In 1965, Cesar Chavez led NFWA in joining an AWOC strike organized by Larry Itliong, a Filipino farm worker. See an excerpt from Cesar Chavez and the Unionization of California Farm Workers.
Asian-Latino unions are not uncommon in California. In fact, the Ties that Bind project, supported in part by the Animating Democracy Initiative, is collecting stories of Asian-Latino marriages in California. Individuals born of Chinese-Mexican mixed marriages are also not unheard of in Texas.
Notable individuals of Asian-Latino heritage
Franklin R. Chang-Dìaz was born in Costa Rica to a Chinese father and Costa Rican mother. Chang-Diaz came to the US for school and eventually obtained a PhD from MIT. He is now a well-known scientist and NASA astronaut.
David Tseng, an Asian Latino from California, served at the White House as Staff Director and Senior Policy Advisor for the National Economic Council. In 2002, Tseng was appointed as the Executive Director of PFLAG. Tseng was featured in a May 24th Washington Blade article, being the first person of color to serve as PFLAG director.
Carlos Galvan of the Korean hip-hop group Uptown is Mexican and Korean.
The Mexican singer, Ana Gabriel is 1/4 Chinese (her grandfather).
Latinas for AMs
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 00:18:20 (PDT)
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AF(18),
Do you despise AFs who hate their own race?
huu76
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 22:48:18 (PDT)
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AF(18)-the last...
Lighten up.....I don't mean it that way. sorry if you take it so seriously. I'm just the bad apple in the group, my appolozie. I am btw, face the fact and sign on the front door. Sorry if i sound a little harsh...
the bad apple
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 08:41:36 (PDT)
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Face the fact:
well if you don’t have a preference forAF,do not diss AF who don’t have a preference for AM. There are AM that have a preference for non AF and AF non Am. So that evens out and no one can blame any other.(as long as they do not dislike people of their own race) :) I have no problem w/ AM seeking non AF, but I DESPISE AM who dislike women of their own race.
Proud to be Azn (AM):
You are one of the proud, respectful and intelligent asian men that would make a great friend/bf.
You ‘re right. :) If an AM don’t like AF he’s just not worth my attention. That’s all. Never love anything that cannot love you back.
Both AF and AM date outside and inside their race and they still get along well.. No one accuse anyone. The world would be better.
sign on the front door:
Just wondering why you quote that phrase. I only posted how I think of AM who worship WF and dislike AW. if you didn’t feel that you are one of the men I’m talking about, why bother give a reply??
Yes I am aware of the main topic which is “*WHY* AM go IR”, I think it is related to ‘AF selling out’ and it is what I was talking about. The name of the topic doesn’t tell me only AM and non AF are allowed in this forum.
But you may be right. My off-topic postings seem to be getting a bit out of hand. I said what I wanted and won’t be rehashing anything again.
AF(18)-the last...
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 01:42:32 (PDT)
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To all,
You know what yellow means? It means bright, peace, love, harmony, kind and gentle.
Guys and girls, have some yellow in your life. It represent's all that is stated above. Yellow makes life grand and beautiful. It's the first thing you see when you wake up. And not the last thing you see when you go to bed. But the cycle of yellow appears the next mornning and it shows how grand life can be. Every morning it brighten up your day; share the color of yellow. Tell your friends about it.
Everybody in the world wakes up to the color of yellow.
I love interracial dating. It opens up my mind. I like the feeling of having an open mind for the beautiful non-asian ladies out there; who can't wait to meet the golden sun (me). My journey begins every mornning with the search for a beautiful women who respect's the sun. The sun is the most powerful and dominate force to life. Without it all things fail.
Poetic
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 21:55:47 (PDT)
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chill for a sec and think:
Are you Cali girl?
I agree Cali girl is a good person but i don't feel she is our sister. If I can pick two women as AM's sister my vote would go to Hannybunbun (non AF) and MLK (AF). It seems this forum lacks non AF. Where is hannybunbun? :( At least I want her presence she always bring up good points and defuse conflicts w/ her open minded post.
Hey people:
I agree don't limit our choice. You limit your options by dating exclusively AF. Just find a good woman and have a good time. You should be w/ her because you love her and love her for who she is. WHy Am go IR? Not that we are tired of AF.Because it is natural for men of all races to go IR. WM and BM do, and so does AM. Do WM go IR because they are tired of WF? NO. IR is completely normal. lLive the way you want to. That way everyone is happy. It's not good to hate people. hate always seem to stem from racial problems. A good woman is a good woman regardless of race. No race is better than any other race. WF are not better than AF, and Af are not better than Wf or any women of other race. I focus on the individual when it comes to dating. I've met bad AF and WF and next time I avoid the bad women and seek the good women, instead of completely avoiding AF.
World view: interesting...Do you have any clue of the exact IR rate...i really want to know...In Korea, a lot of foreigners work there but IR marriage seem rare though.
An AM
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 21:24:32 (PDT)
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