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TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE
OR UNIFICATION?

(Updated Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:55:06 PM)

he most pressing Asian foreign policy issue currently faced by the U.S. is the Taiwan question. The email we receive in reaction to our articles relating to this issue suggests that it's an emotional one for many of our readers. Perhaps one reason for the emotion is the fact that the issue isn't amenable to an easy or simple solution.
     The first historical mention of Taiwan appears to have been when Portugese traders found it to be a resting place on their journey to Japan and named it Isla Formosa. Beijing's claim to Taiwan dates back to the 16th century when a Chinese general fought off the Portugese to claim the island for the emperor. In 1895 the expansion-minded Japanese annexed it after defeating China in a war on the Corean peninsula. China briefly reestablished sovereignty over Taiwan following Japan's defeat in August of 1945.
     At the time the official government of China, as recognized by most nations of the world, was under the control of the Kuomingtang headed by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. He was engaged in a desperate war against Mao Tse-tung's peasant army. Despite billions of dollars of aid by the U.S. based mainly on intensely partisan reporting by Henry Luce's Time/Life empire, the spectacularly corrupt Chiang lost that war and fled to Taiwan with 2.5 million followers.
     He established the present government of Taiwan on December 7, 1949 and proclaimed it the sole legitimate government of all China. Mao made the same claim. The claims competed until 1971 when it became clear to most of the world that Mao's was more persuasive. Taiwan was kicked out of the UN. The Beijing government took its place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a seat given in recognition of China's role in fighting Japan in World War II.
     Mired in its own misguided war in Vietnam, and intensely fearful of anything red, the U.S. was one of the last nations to recognize the legitimacy of Mao's government. In 1972 Richard Nixon made his historic journey to Beijing. In 1976 the U.S. took the next step by recognizing the People's Republic as China's sole legitimate government. It began pursuing the "One China, One Taiwan" policy under which official diplomatic contacts were exclusively with Beijing but continued to sell billions of dollars a year of fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and missiles to Taiwan to help defend against a possible Chinese effort to refunify by force.
     In 1997 President Clinton declared a "strategic partnership" with Beijing over intense Republican objections. It was an astute recognition of the fact that China's 1.2 billion people must be accorded a central place in U.S. foreign policy. But the historic, moral and economic ties that bind the U.S. to Taiwan's 23 million people stand squarely in the way of cutting off arms sales and renouncing the pact under which the U.S. obliged itself to come to Taiwan's defense in the event of attack by China. That U.S. pledge and continuing arms sales continue to inflame Beijing to periodic bursts of violent anti-U.S. rhetoric.
     Taiwan has been a domocracy since 1989 when it legalized opposition parties. It held its first democratic presidential elections in 1990. Lee Teng-hui handily won to keep the presidency which he had originally gained in 1988. Lee won again in 1996. Since 1997 he began efforts to warm up relations with Beijing by agreeing to enter into negotiations under a "One-China" framework with an eye toward eventual reunification. Beijing's leaders continued their highly successful campaign of pressuring diplomatic partners into severing ties with Taiwan. China even raised hell when Lee made a semi-surreptitious trip to New York in 1997. Since then China has scared neighborning nations like the Philippines into not allowing Lee to enter. As of 1999 Taiwan's diplomatic allies number about 18 out of about 220 nations on earth. All are tiny, impoverished Central American, African and Pacific Island nations that appreciate Taiwan's generous aid packages. Pago Pago is considered a major ally.
     Feisty Lee Teng-hui launched his own guerilla offensive in July, 1999 by declaring over German radio that Taiwan was in fact a separate state and would negotiate with Beijing on an equal footing. That sent Beijing into a tizzy. It fired off bombastic threats to take Taiwan by force and to annhilate the U.S. Navy if it intervenes. On October 18 during his British visit Chinese President Jiang Zemin assumed a softer, more relaxed tone in telling a London newspaper that China would be peacefully reunited with Taiwan under a one-nation two-systems formula by the middle of the next century. One might have expected Lee to have been relieved by that statement. Instead, he brushed it aside as "a hoax". China should try instead to set a timetable for its democratization as that was the only way to ensure reunification, sneered Lee's Mainland Affairs Council chairman Su Chi. Most polls show that a clear majority of Taiwanese prefer to maintain the status quo indefinitely rather than moving toward unification.
     Beijing's reunification mandate appears based on the idea that in winning the mainland, the Chinese people had rejected the "criminal" Kuomingtang and its right to rule any part of China. It also sees Taiwan as a galling symbol of the division wrought and preserved by western imperialists -- namely, the U.S. -- seeking to enjoy global hegemony at the expense of Chinese dignity.
     Meanwhile the U.S. remains on the hook to defend Taiwan and sell it arms though doing so keeps its relations with a quarter of humanity rocky and on edge. Under its current policy the U.S. is the asbestos firewall that keeps friction between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait from igniting into war.
     Should the U.S. continue alienating Beijing to help Taiwan protect its independence or improve relations with China by pressuring Taiwan to reunite?

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I didnt mention an F117A for two reasons.
Number 1, I knew it was shot down in Kosovo and Number 2, I dont consider it to be very useful against Chinese forces. 2 Bombbays and no machine guns. Not my Choice.
I bet the F117 shot down was by accident. If the terror squads were so damn good they wouldnt have lost.

Dont give me this F22 is infer..... thats absolute bullshit. Just stop.
JingCha    Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 07:56:24 (PDT)    [61.151.231.37]
Russia defends china?

You must be kidding, russia is having a hard time defending itself against NATO expansion.
JJH    Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 09:12:38 (PDT)    [202.62.139.159]
"And how do you know this? You were there making sure he wasn't sneaking a peak in the USA-super-spy book during classes."

Troops from 5th Legion told me--that's better info than you'll ever find on CNN or the Wall Street Journal.

"The fact of the matter was that he was trained in some part by the USA. And the fact we gave him no special consideration while he was training with USA soldiers is a huge oversight on our part."

Your position is that we SHOULD have given him specialized training? I'm not sure I follow this logic.
Apache Driver    Friday, October 18, 2002 at 20:12:01 (PDT)    [67.84.132.190]
SOG,
6 recon planes? Even China's states television aren't as optimistic as you. Why not go for the gold and claim they shot down all 36 B-2s.

Kimchi,
Democrats are weak. I didn't see anyone mess with the U.S. when Reagan was in power (wars that last 1 day don't count). Since Clinton took power, everyone began taking potshots at America cause all he'd do is fire a few cruise missiles at empty bases and call it a day. Round one in Iraq showed the world (especially China with their post gulf war spending spree) what happens when you threaten America's interests.

Look at Clintons iron fist policy with North Corea. "Please stop trying to make nuclear weapons. If you do, we'll give you easily modifiable nuclear reactors cause you wouln't think of using them for anything else since you follow international law like we democracies do". You wouldn't share the same technology with your big buddy China either, right?" Clinton might as well have given them a few Trident subs for Christmas.

The only mistake with U.S. foreign policy is having Israel run it via lobby groups. Just kill'em both and end it there.

Indonesia isn't in the middle east is it? Indonesians (and Malaysians) are genealogically more closely related to Asians, so they're not completely retarded.

The U.S. will eventually have to militarily show China who's King of the Hill, the only question now is whether it'll be in Taiwan or Corea.
huu76    Friday, October 18, 2002 at 19:56:34 (PDT)    [64.231.99.123]
Apache driver

"You live in America, and I would imagine, have a pretty good life here (though Oregon rains too much for my tastes). I'm curious as to what your motivations are in your rather vociferous defense of China in regards to American military supremacy?"

Yes I have a good life in the USA. I am defending china because she has a right to defend her country which includes taiwan. American interference is not wise at the same time very destructive to world peace.

I think the US foreign policy is full of it. Especially with bush in power.

1. No kyoto treaty
2. NMD dystroys ABM treaty
3. No US military subject to internationl war crime tribunal.
4. Belligerent attitude towards many countries including china and russia.
5. Publicly declaring "axis of evil"
6. Put Russia and China on nuke list. This one is great!
7. Fly in chinese economic zone, take down chinese fighter jet, kill the pilot, land unauthorized on chinese military base. Has the balls to demand chinese not to touch "soverign US property" and refuse to apologize.
8. Cowboy hoodlum attitude towards the rest of the world.

Like I said before, I think it is wrong for US to be involved in the taiwan situation. At the same time, I want people to understand that china is no longer a paper tiger and has full capability to take taiwan by force with or without US intervention. It is wise for US to understand this concept and think twice and very hard before it acts with stupididty which may result in a chinese DF-5 nuke in my back yard. I dont know about you, but I sure dont like my family nuked just because we are "defending Taiwan". I dont particularly like that Island one bit nor the people inhabiting that Island.

Lets get this straight here, if the US were in a major conflict and is in danger of being invaded, I would fight for the US. If US fought with China, although I may not agree, I will fight for the US.

Just because we have power dosent give us the right to bully other countries, further more China has allowed taiwan upon unification to keep:

1.) her economic autonomy
2.) political system
3.) military! <--- crazy

So what else does the taiwanese want? I really could care less. I hope this situation is resolved peacefully however if not, I wish for China to completely and utterly crush the taiwanese independence movement with overwhelming force and end this matter once and for all. The time line is set of the year 2015. That is the year of truth.
SOG    Friday, October 18, 2002 at 12:07:11 (PDT)    [128.193.4.98]
Apache Driver,

Just because one lives in America does not mean we need to believe that everything in America is great or number #1.

If one travels in asia enough. One comes to understand comsumer electronics are more advanced in asia. One see the economy in China is growing much faster than that in the USA.

Also SOG never once stated China would be an aggressor in a conflict with the USA. However, his stance has always been if USA decides to project their military power into China in a conventional sense, we the USA would have a lot to lose.

Generation gap is the best explanation. SOG is just another gen X or gen Y person. Sure we enjoy life in the USA because we are acclimated to it, but we don't see the need to pledge blinded loyalities or support outdated idealogy to be American of Chinese Heritage. Baby Boomers like yourself usually don't get us. Talk to a marketing guy one day and they'll give you our generation profile to the "T".
AC Dropout    Friday, October 18, 2002 at 10:43:11 (PDT)    [24.90.98.143]
they are a weak nation and i guarantee you, if they get into an international d__k measuring contest, they will lose.
Proud to be an American.

This could very well be considering all the firepower you mentioned that the US has. It brings to mind the quadraplegic capable of only using his mouth to say "we won the war!" Make no mistake my friend, it will not be a walk in the park. You may ask yourself if you have the stomach for it? Are you really ready to bring it? All this hypothetical and what if scenarios going back and forth. To even make it more interesting, why not consult Nostradamus' works and Jeanne dixon? They also have things to say about this very same subject except they don't declare an undisputed winner. Oh, but they do talk of horrific outcomes but we already knew that, didn't we?
The Only Truth    Friday, October 18, 2002 at 07:50:11 (PDT)    [64.12.96.13]
"There is no right or wrong answer here, but I am curious as to how you and I can both be Chinese, yet see things from such wildly divergent viewpoints"

Apache, an even much, much, more illustrious example would be of Jewish Americans and their views on Israel. Do you think you could question some of Israel's behavior and motivation and not be denounced for even raising a question? You would immediately be smitten as an anti semite and racist if you took the same stance as you are here with your views on China and your endless talk about bombing and invading. You need to go to some Jewish websites and try that. See how long you would last. Or maybe you already tried?
And got trounced out within your first 2 posts! As far as your being Chinese, well if it walks and talks like a......
Only Truth    Friday, October 18, 2002 at 07:18:54 (PDT)    [64.12.96.13]
Russis defend China? More like Russia takes advantage and grabs land from China.

Who in their right mind (except for maybe SOG) would stick their noses into a potential nuclear conflict that has no realistic chance of affecting themselves. I'm convinced the Russians have better things to do with their time.

Incase anyone thinks China/Russia and France are protecting Iraq, probably only China is sincerely protecting them, everyone else just wants America to slowdown.

America only needs to ask "What have you done for me lately?" to determine how useful the U.N. is.
All it does is buy bulletproof BMWs for Kofi Anan and protects the badguys from the goodguys who "choose" to follow the rules. The UN has done jack to protect America.
huu76    Friday, October 18, 2002 at 03:43:03 (PDT)    [64.231.96.74]
huu76,

>>"so why not let some moron from the mid-East do their dirty work for them"

or better yet, why not have them do the dirty work for the US, as they've done so in the past. aren't we being paranoid, jeese.

>>"Asia, Europe and even S. America have democracies. Why can't they do that in muslim countries?"

ehem, what about indonesia? and a female president there to boot. so much for these silly ideas of what islam is all about. at least they've done something "the land of the free" would never do.

democrats? what the democrats would do is at least act mature about the whole thing and realize things are never as black and white as republicans would like everyone to believe. countries that support and harbor terrorism? would canada be included in this one? how about europe? what about the good old US of A? wouldn't know what else to call all these militia/terrorist bootcamps right here in the US, and what about the irish and the jews sending they're dollars to their respective homelands to support certain questionable organizations and such (ie. the IRA). and what about the right to bear arms? does this not also exist in the middle east as well? as an implicit right. And tell me, who got pissed off at the US gov't for the shootout with those terrorists in Waco, TX? Conservatives?

i think all this finger pointing at china is baseless, considering just how much the US has mettled and interfered with the affairs of practically every nation on earth. isn't it about time some of them returned the favor? China has at least appeared consistent to some extent, rather than opportunistic like the US.
kimchi d'evil    Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 19:53:53 (PDT)    [152.163.188.196]
Apache Driver,

"He was not a senior fighter, and he did not receive any additional, specialized training which the rest of the fighters received. He was a foot soldier. He received no special consideration, and was taught light infantry TTPs by 5th Special Forces. That's it."

And how do you know this? You were there making sure he wasn't sneaking a peak in the USA-super-spy book during classes.

The fact of the matter was that he was trained in some part by the USA. And the fact we gave him no special consideration while he was training with USA soldiers is a huge oversight on our part.
AC Dropout    Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 14:18:47 (PDT)    [24.90.98.143]
B.E.Verins,

Having lived in Taipei City and NYC. The two are the worlds apart. NYC is more like HK in flavor.

Taipei is still under construction, traffic is still unorganised, and traffic laws are rarely followed.

China is part of the WTO. But HK been bootlegging stuff since it was a colony of Britian. Also there is a large faction of PRChina that never wanted to join the WTO. Remember it was mostly foreign nations that wanted PRC to join the WTO to open up their domestic markets. PRC spent 9 years negotiating with the WTO to have more favorable domestic protection policies.

ROC been harping to join the WTO for the political reasons of international recognition.

As for democracy done right while still holding on to core Chinese values, I believe Singapore has the proper model.

Taiwan is more like anarchy than it is a democracy. In the past 2 decades the government has been ineffective domestically and internationally.
AC Dropout    Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 14:12:00 (PDT)    [24.90.98.143]
US can field 120 hi tech birds F-18, F-14 to help intercept chinese fighters on their way to annihlate the ROC military.

That is so few in number against the chinese 1200 birds in range of taiwan. The US cannont put up all 120 birds in the air and maintain them probably only 80 at the most would be flying sorties. This is far from enough to defeat the chinese AF. Even their obsolete J-6 and J-7. China has 55+ subs and 30+ major surface combatants. Plus hundreds of naval planes carring ASCM. US simply cannot field a large enough defensive force to survive the continous barrage of attacks.

Lets say US uses the aegis system and dystroys the first batch of ASCM, well it has to reload, it is not possiable to reload that mcuh so after the second round of ASCM attacks, maybe 1\3 of US fleet will sink. It just keeps getting worse. If US fails to stop it will lose most if not all of her navy.

Granted, china will suffer heavy casulties herself. I just dont think it is worth it. Let the Chinese take taiwan. I sure dont care to involve US forces to defend a dumb island, which we claim to be part of China.
SOG    Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 11:27:20 (PDT)    [128.193.5.190]
JC

"considering the fact, that the F22 hasnt entered service yet....
no B2's have EVER been shot down, no Comanches have ever been shot down and no B1 Lancers have been shot down...Id say your comment is bull"

Also considering US has not gone against the new generation of russian and chinese SAMs.

Dont be so proud of the stealth technology, it is trackable. The russian mig 1.44 is more capable than the F-22!. Only thing holding them back is financial resources. They know stealth as well as America.

US DDG use the harpoon a mach 1-2 ASCM and does not have a comparative missiles to the russian sunburn or the new yakhont. These new boys will really clean house.
SOG    Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 11:19:25 (PDT)    [128.193.5.190]
SOG,

A question for you directly, if I may...and if you prefer not to answer it here, then by all means, fire it to my email address below.

You live in America, and I would imagine, have a pretty good life here (though Oregon rains too much for my tastes). I'm curious as to what your motivations are in your rather vociferous defense of China in regards to American military supremacy?

There is no right or wrong answer here, but I am curious as to how you and I can both be Chinese, yet see things from such wildly divergent viewpoints.
Apache Driver ah6gdriver@hotmail.com    Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 10:51:54 (PDT)    [67.84.132.190]
JC

FA-117 stealth fighter shot down in yugoslavia.

China shot down 6 US recon planes which were thought to be untouchable. Now US does not do overflights over chinese mainland.
SOG    Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 10:51:14 (PDT)    [128.193.5.190]

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