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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE
OR UNIFICATION?
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Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:55:05 PM)
he most pressing Asian foreign policy issue currently faced by the U.S. is the Taiwan question. The email we receive in reaction to our articles relating to this issue suggests that it's an emotional one for many of our readers. Perhaps one reason for the emotion is the fact that the issue isn't amenable to an easy or simple solution.
The first historical mention of Taiwan appears to have been when Portugese traders found it to be a resting place on their journey to Japan and named it Isla Formosa. Beijing's claim to Taiwan dates back to the 16th century when a Chinese general fought off the Portugese to claim the island for the emperor. In 1895 the expansion-minded Japanese annexed it after defeating China in a war on the Corean peninsula. China briefly reestablished sovereignty over Taiwan following Japan's defeat in August of 1945.
At the time the official government of China, as recognized by most nations of the world, was under the control of the Kuomingtang headed by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. He was engaged in a desperate war against Mao Tse-tung's peasant army. Despite billions of dollars of aid by the U.S. based mainly on intensely partisan reporting by Henry Luce's Time/Life empire, the spectacularly corrupt Chiang lost that war and fled to Taiwan with 2.5 million followers.
He established the present government of Taiwan on December 7, 1949 and proclaimed it the sole legitimate government of all China. Mao made the same claim. The claims competed until 1971 when it became clear to most of the world that Mao's was more persuasive. Taiwan was kicked out of the UN. The Beijing government took its place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a seat given in recognition of China's role in fighting Japan in World War II.
Mired in its own misguided war in Vietnam, and intensely fearful of anything red, the U.S. was one of the last nations to recognize the legitimacy of Mao's government. In 1972 Richard Nixon made his historic journey to Beijing. In 1976 the U.S. took the next step by recognizing the People's Republic as China's sole legitimate government. It began pursuing the "One China, One Taiwan" policy under which official diplomatic contacts were exclusively with Beijing but continued to sell billions of dollars a year of fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and missiles to Taiwan to help defend against a possible Chinese effort to refunify by force.
In 1997 President Clinton declared a "strategic partnership" with Beijing over intense Republican objections. It was an astute recognition of the fact that China's 1.2 billion people must be accorded a central place in U.S. foreign policy. But the historic, moral and economic ties that bind the U.S. to Taiwan's 23 million people stand squarely in the way of cutting off arms sales and renouncing the pact under which the U.S. obliged itself to come to Taiwan's defense in the event of attack by China. That U.S. pledge and continuing arms sales continue to inflame Beijing to periodic bursts of violent anti-U.S. rhetoric.
Taiwan has been a domocracy since 1989 when it legalized opposition parties. It held its first democratic presidential elections in 1990. Lee Teng-hui handily won to keep the presidency which he had originally gained in 1988. Lee won again in 1996. Since 1997 he began efforts to warm up relations with Beijing by agreeing to enter into negotiations under a "One-China" framework with an eye toward eventual reunification. Beijing's leaders continued their highly successful campaign of pressuring diplomatic partners into severing ties with Taiwan. China even raised hell when Lee made a semi-surreptitious trip to New York in 1997. Since then China has scared neighborning nations like the Philippines into not allowing Lee to enter. As of 1999 Taiwan's diplomatic allies number about 18 out of about 220 nations on earth. All are tiny, impoverished Central American, African and Pacific Island nations that appreciate Taiwan's generous aid packages. Pago Pago is considered a major ally.
Feisty Lee Teng-hui launched his own guerilla offensive in July, 1999 by declaring over German radio that Taiwan was in fact a separate state and would negotiate with Beijing on an equal footing. That sent Beijing into a tizzy. It fired off bombastic threats to take Taiwan by force and to annhilate the U.S. Navy if it intervenes. On October 18 during his British visit Chinese President Jiang Zemin assumed a softer, more relaxed tone in telling a London newspaper that China would be peacefully reunited with Taiwan under a one-nation two-systems formula by the middle of the next century. One might have expected Lee to have been relieved by that statement. Instead, he brushed it aside as "a hoax". China should try instead to set a timetable for its democratization as that was the only way to ensure reunification, sneered Lee's Mainland Affairs Council chairman Su Chi. Most polls show that a clear majority of Taiwanese prefer to maintain the status quo indefinitely rather than moving toward unification.
Beijing's reunification mandate appears based on the idea that in winning the mainland, the Chinese people had rejected the "criminal" Kuomingtang and its right to rule any part of China. It also sees Taiwan as a galling symbol of the division wrought and preserved by western imperialists -- namely, the U.S. -- seeking to enjoy global hegemony at the expense of Chinese dignity.
Meanwhile the U.S. remains on the hook to defend Taiwan and sell it arms though doing so keeps its relations with a quarter of humanity rocky and on edge. Under its current policy the U.S. is the asbestos firewall that keeps friction between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait from igniting into war.
Should the U.S. continue alienating Beijing to help Taiwan protect its independence or improve relations with China by pressuring Taiwan to reunite?
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huu67,
>>"Why must advanced countries cut back emissions and let developing ones spit out more to make up for it?"
uh, because they're developing countries, that's why. why didn't these "advanced" countries of today have any environmental standards to live up to while they were developing themselves? I'd say this is just a "gimmick" on the part of the west to curb economic development in Asia and elsewhere.
>>"About U.S. creating bad guys etc.
It's amazing how hindsight is always 20/20."
what's equally amazing is when foresight is 20/20. LoL. One should never assume that US policies within the US has ANY resemblance to US policies outside the US. In the latter case it can be quite treacherous indeed, especially when it protects its so called "interests." Apparently it takes quite a bit of resources to maintain the quality of life in the US, and this usually comes at the expense of others. Entropy? I think its called. man, america is one fat fatboy that needs to go on a diet!
I doubt the US would be interested in defending taiwan unless it had something to gain from it, or more importantly, to hold china back.
and the NK issue? you mean the nuclear weapons program? yeah, it'll really suck when the chinese stick 40,000 troops in mexico and perhaps arm them with some nukes, wouldn't it? LoL.
kimchi devil   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 20:37:48 (PDT)
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Kimchi,
Since Dubya's a lunatic, he is able to fight all those countries simultaneously. It just depends whether or not he wants to take out the good with the bad (easier method) and nuke'm all (hey, if they wants nukes, give it to them). Ever heard of "Scorched Earth" tactics? If China wants to be number one, then let them rule a nuclear wasteland.
On the other hand, since Americans care way too much about the welfare of those they fight, then George will just have to pick them off one at at time.
SOG,
Never claimed to be a stats expert on the military (you've probably already picked up on that), I just knew they had a surprisingly low number of B2s.
AC,
Yes, bombing civilians w/o warning proves how much manlier the bad guys are. Actually, defeating the Evil Empire showed the world who's the toughest ecnomically. Smoking Iraq is like an advertisement telling all what America can do. I guess Afghanistan would be the same except it also shows the U.S. doesn't need to risk many of it's own troops.
By the way, in my opinion, Bin Laden has already died of kidney failure (or boredom). What's with the audio tapes. They can't afford video cameras anymore? If that's the case, the CIA should just circulate a tape claiming Bin Laden has denounced terrorism and thinks Arafat is gay. The tards in the turbans couldn't refute it w/o a genuine video statement.
Incase I'm wrong, then he's probably in Western China bowling or something.
Just an observation.
Look at all the developing/recently developed democracies that follow the U.S.
Now look at all the countries that don't or the ones that kiss China's ass.
Now name off all the wealthy and civilzed ones.
Gee, I wonder why Taiwan doesn't want to be run by China.
huu76   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 16:33:34 (PDT)
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"To even make it more interesting, why not consult Nostradamus' works and Jeanne dixon? They also have things to say about this very same subject except they don't declare an undisputed winner. Oh, but they do talk of horrific outcomes but we already knew that, didn't we?"
If nuclear war breaks out between China and USA... the world dies. No winner. Oh.. wait.. maybe cockroaches win. Hey, maybe they will evolve into a more intelligent sentient species....
B.E.Verins beverins@aol.com   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 14:20:26 (PDT)
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"As for democracy done right while still holding on to core Chinese values, I believe Singapore has the proper model. "
Where they have TV ads telling me to smile, as it is good for the image?
Singapore sounds like an Orwellian experiment dressed up in gleaming silver and glass.
Maybe gum stains on the streets make NYC look bedraggled, but honestly I cannot abide anyone being slapped with a fine for spitting gum out...
Anyway, I'm sure Taiwan has its problems, but it's trying with what it has. I would like to see how the small island nation would handle itself if granted independence. If it totally corrupts, and the place is deemed unlivable, then China can be there with arms wide open. As Taiwan disintegrates, then China can take over silently, quietly and with no blood loss... Sounds like an infintely better plan to me, to be honest. Isn't that happening now, anyway? Let it continue. Let the democracy there VOTE the communists into power, because by then they will have a majority vote.
Force is uneccesary - we are not living in the feudal ages anymore, when Uniting Kingdoms By Force was needed.
Of course, on the other hand, we have the insanity in the USA, where the administration seems to be plotting to make the UCA (United Colonies of America).... with Iraq as its first colony.... *sigh*
B.E.Verins beverins@aol.com   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 14:17:52 (PDT)
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ABC taiwanese
well I am no commie thats for sure. LOL me a Very very very very capitalistic guy.
alright, look I wish for peaceful reunification. Just get that straight that sooner or later china will unite. Taiwan can choose between peace or war. Her choice. Also as long as taiwan dont declare independence, I have no problem. That status quo is just fine with me for the next 20 yrs.
But after that time taiwan will have to decide.
You should know that taiwan simply cannot support a war with china, just cant, based on geostrategic circumstances, economical structure, industrial capacity. No way it can sustain a war. Lets just say even optomistlically that it does withstand the inital chinese assult, its citizens will lose thier wealth, and they will iterally be living in anarchy feeling like hell.
China can just sit there and pound away with her new generation of weapons technology.
Don't even the US, because by that time, I will be the president of the US and I wont "protect" Taiwan. :) lol
JK on the last part.
SOG   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 12:33:26 (PDT)
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Huu 76
"Kyoto? Why must advanced countries cut back emissions and let developing ones spit out more to make up for it? Do you really think of N. America and Europe closed all their factories and scrapped all their cars that pollution would drop? "
we are overwhelmingly rich and powerful, it is not right for us to demand a extra few cars for luxurary while people in other countries starve to death, their only choice is low tech which invariable results in pollution.
Stop thinking only about US US US US. okay, just because we are rich doesnt mean we are better than any other human being on this planet, they deserve the same respect and rights we enjoy which includes the bare minimum of food and shelter and safty!
Only by helping others can we help ourselves! Long term, it is better for everyone.
SOG   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 12:02:06 (PDT)
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This a bit history of Taiwan. The original settlers of Taiwan were the same race of people - Austronesians - who settled the islands of the Pacific Ocean (Indonesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia). As the Chinese came over to the Taiwan, the aborigines either assimilated with the Han Chinese or some indigenous people were driven to the mountains - mountain people - which today consists about two percent of the population of Taiwan. Even though the Ming rulers' claim Taiwan as terroritory of China, but were militarily inferior to challenge the European invaders.
The first Europeans that found Taiwan were the Portuguese which named the island, Isla Formosa (beautiful island). Then the Dutch established colonial rule in Taiwan during the 1620's. In 1645, Zheng Cheung Gong - the patriot of the Ming Court - refused to be subjugated by the Qing Government and returned to his home of Fujian (Fujian Providence borders north of Guangdong Providence). At this time the Qing had controlled most of China -- and also to show your loyalty to the Qing rulers, the men had to shaved their heads half bald. Zheng being the firm loyalist of Ming Dynasty and that the Qing were non-Han Chinese, but Manchu, Zheng's father (Governor?) secretly ordered his army to surrender to the Qing army. Zheng continued to resist the Qing Government fiercely and tried desperately to restore the Ming Dynasty, but failed.
Xue Liang - Zheng's Japanese mother while returning from Japan rescued her that was adrift at sea trying to escape the Dutch controlled Taiwan - played a pivotal role by helping in returning to Taiwan and bringing back a spy with details of Dutch defenses. In 1661 with 25,000 troops and his fleet, Zheng crossed the Straits of Taiwan and defeated the Dutch -- Sino-Dutch War of 1661). Zheng proclaimed Taiwan as a territory of the Ming Dynasty. Eventually Zheng's son was defeated by the Qing Government for control of Taiwan.
tazadar   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 10:25:10 (PDT)
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Neither independence nor unification of taiwan is perfectly ideal at this moment, where both sides are undergone huge social and economic reforms, especially china.
A chinese union may sound okay to me for now. An asian counterpart to the european union, where countries work tightly economically and militarily, while remain as separate political entities.
"They kill people whose religion isn't state sanctioned amid or 'reasons' for state murder. They've killed members of people in my church just for holding simple prayer meetings in their homes."
This really sound ludicrous to me. Killed members of your church? How can china kill american for holding simple prayer meetings in their homes at the other end of the pacific ocean?
"Kyoto? Why must advanced countries cut back emissions and let developing ones spit out more to make up for it?"
Then why signed it at the first place? Or draft a second solution which is more tailored fit to the developing countries. Don't just walk away like what Bush did, which seem to be a barbaric act to me.
JJH   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 10:03:05 (PDT)
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kimchi devil,
huu has no clue about US tax. He's north of the border where his tax dollars go to socialized medicine and francophone independence movement.
AC Dropout   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 09:48:54 (PDT)
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huu76,
You're really a white guy.
"Americans are allowed to believe they're not #1 because there isn't some guy ready to smash his head in with his rifle end if he does't think his way of life is number one."
Remember when Japanese car overtook US cars. There are a few people in the midwest that died because white america could not deal with reality of the times.
"What's Taiwan going to do, declare independance and then invade China?"
You really are living proof of the results of poor primary school education. Let me spell it out if Taiwan declares independence, Taiwan would be considered the aggressor on the international theater. And if you ever received primary school education in Taiwan you would know the slogan "Liberate our mainland compaitrots" we were taught to memorize, like the pledge of alligence in the USA.
"I wonder if the Democrats forsaw the current N.Korea issue?"
Unlike you, Clinton has an extremely high IQ. Of course he knew what he was doing. Notice the plan did not go anywhere unless his adminstration knew for certain NK was complient. NK did not get a light water reactor, while depolarizing SK and NK to move towards "sunshine policy" for unification. Quite a political move which I'm sure is beyond your ability to appreciate.
"You know, the kind of EVIL that provides the MAJORITY of its citizens with the best quality of life in the world."
You must mean the white majority...the rest of us try to rectify this evil from within, like civil right movements and what not.
How would you know what the quality of life is in the USA. You're a Canadian. Sounds more like the grass is greener on the other side syndrome you are suffering from.
AC Dropout   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 09:46:50 (PDT)
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ABC Taiwanese,
And what cult of a church are you part of. Falun Gong? There are more than enough churches in China if you want to subscribe to religon. However, if you want to be part of a cult, the PRC does have issues with that.
If Taiwan is her own as you claim. Why are there 500,000 Taiwanese resideing in China doing business. How come Taiwan doesn't reciprocate and allow 500,000 PRC business people to come to island. Why are brides from the mainland, legally married to Taiwanese men denied working permits and the right to vote.
What has taiwan done lately to improve its domestic economy. All economic reports I read in Taiwan peg their economic development to USA, which is somewhat ridiculous. Given the fact a vibriant expanding economy is only 100 miles away to the west.
AC Dropout   
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 09:31:18 (PDT)
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SOG you wrote: So what else does the taiwanese want? I really could care less. I hope this situation is resolved peacefully however if not, I wish for China to completely and utterly crush the taiwanese independence movement with overwhelming force and end this matter once and for all.
*man* say that to us Taiwanese and you will deserve to get your ass kicked. You really think it's that easy? China is full of human rights abuses. or are you a fake American? They kill people whose religion isn't state sanctioned amid or 'reasons' for state murder. They've killed members of people in my church just for holding simple prayer meetings in their homes. You have some lame ass sino-centric thought in your head fool. Taiwan's prosperity is her own. Her people have worked hard and with generous American assistance earned it. if her people want independence who are you to say no to them? you and the people's republic of china i presume. Are you a commie? i understand where you are coming from though. A rich and powerful China would make us all proud, especially if it was united with Taiwan. HOWEVER, China in her current stage of political development does not deserve to have Taiwan notwithstanding those 'promises' of a high degree of autonomy. Look at Hong Kong. The political machinery there is completely usurped and the people don't have a strong voice anymore.
ABC Taiwanese   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 23:27:07 (PDT)
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huu76,
so just how many more wars does the US think it can afford? you're already paying 25 cents to every tax dollar you fork over just to cover the interest alone on the federal debt. Dubya is a lunatic for wanting this war with iraq, and the likely confrontations with NK, and possibly taiwan down the road. But what does he care? Just have the next guy pay it off? I think china's best bet would be to let this run its course or even peck away at it bit by bit... eventually the federal gov't will collapse if they try to keep up this nonsense. Kinda reminds me of the arms race between the USSR and the US. Before you know it the US will be selling alaska back to russia, and nukes to whomever in a going outta business sale. hehe.
can America have a war with iraq, iran, NK, taiwan, and maybe even afghanistan again at the same time? hmmmm.
kimchi devil   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 23:07:29 (PDT)
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SOG,
I actually enjoyed reading most of your post today except that last bit.
Kyoto? Why must advanced countries cut back emissions and let developing ones spit out more to make up for it? Do you really think of N. America and Europe closed all their factories and scrapped all their cars that pollution would drop? China, India and other poor countries would make it seem like nothings changed. Which group puts emissions restrictions on themselves adn which don't?
AC,
Americans are allowed to believe they're not #1 because there isn't some guy ready to smash his head in with his rifle end if he does't think his way of life is number one. A lot o non-western countries come to mind.
What do you mean China wouldn't be the agressor? In any US/China fight, China would attack first. What's Taiwan going to do, declare independance and then invade China?
About U.S. creating bad guys etc.
It's amazing how hindsight is always 20/20.
I wonder if the Democrats forsaw the current N.Korea issue? After all, they had a dictator's word of honour. That's like gold compared to Western imperialism and treachery. You know, the kind of EVIL that provides the MAJORITY of its citizens with the best quality of life in the world.
huu76   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 20:48:42 (PDT)
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SOG,
Thanks for the answer, man.
Apache Driver   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 20:25:49 (PDT)
   [67.84.132.190]
Only Truth,
"And got trounced out within your first 2 posts!"
I did? Gosh, where was I?
Apache Driver   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 20:25:04 (PDT)
   [67.84.132.190]
ACD,
"Just because one lives in America does not mean we need to believe that everything in America is great or number #1."
Don't recall asking you. Thanks for your unsolicited opinion, but I consider it irrelevant.
Apache Driver   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 20:22:39 (PDT)
   [67.84.132.190]
Huu
"6 recon planes? Even China's states television aren't as optimistic as you. Why not go for the gold and claim they shot down all 36 B-2s"
You are just like before. US only has 26 B-2 urr.
SOG   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 14:28:36 (PDT)
   [216.239.163.212]
huu76,
"Indonesia isn't in the middle east is it? Indonesians (and Malaysians) are genealogically more closely related to Asians, so they're not completely retarded."
When the bomb in Bali recently went off and kill hundreds of people, all the western (white) people left Bali in a matter of days. The only foriegners arriving to Indonesia were from Taiwan....hmmmm
Unfortunately retardation is not selective on ethniticity. Every ethniticity has them.
What kind of war mongering is this. Have a war in Korea or Taiwan? You're starting to sound like a redneck hick.
I need to prove I have some balls, so I 'll go off and kill someone in a developing nation to prove I'm the toughest. Applying for a job with Dubaya Bush....
AC Dropout   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 12:35:00 (PDT)
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Apache Driver,
The point being we should have placed him under special consideration.
If you're running a company and one day meet a great freelancer, don't you want to keep tabs on them. To see if they work for a competitor or what not.
I didn't hear about this guy until he declared war on us when I was back in college, which was probably too late by then to convince him otherwise. This guy was under our radar for way too long.
AC Dropout   
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 12:23:25 (PDT)
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