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TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE
OR UNIFICATION?

(Updated Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:54:58 PM)

he most pressing Asian foreign policy issue currently faced by the U.S. is the Taiwan question. The email we receive in reaction to our articles relating to this issue suggests that it's an emotional one for many of our readers. Perhaps one reason for the emotion is the fact that the issue isn't amenable to an easy or simple solution.
     The first historical mention of Taiwan appears to have been when Portugese traders found it to be a resting place on their journey to Japan and named it Isla Formosa. Beijing's claim to Taiwan dates back to the 16th century when a Chinese general fought off the Portugese to claim the island for the emperor. In 1895 the expansion-minded Japanese annexed it after defeating China in a war on the Corean peninsula. China briefly reestablished sovereignty over Taiwan following Japan's defeat in August of 1945.
     At the time the official government of China, as recognized by most nations of the world, was under the control of the Kuomingtang headed by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. He was engaged in a desperate war against Mao Tse-tung's peasant army. Despite billions of dollars of aid by the U.S. based mainly on intensely partisan reporting by Henry Luce's Time/Life empire, the spectacularly corrupt Chiang lost that war and fled to Taiwan with 2.5 million followers.
     He established the present government of Taiwan on December 7, 1949 and proclaimed it the sole legitimate government of all China. Mao made the same claim. The claims competed until 1971 when it became clear to most of the world that Mao's was more persuasive. Taiwan was kicked out of the UN. The Beijing government took its place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a seat given in recognition of China's role in fighting Japan in World War II.
     Mired in its own misguided war in Vietnam, and intensely fearful of anything red, the U.S. was one of the last nations to recognize the legitimacy of Mao's government. In 1972 Richard Nixon made his historic journey to Beijing. In 1976 the U.S. took the next step by recognizing the People's Republic as China's sole legitimate government. It began pursuing the "One China, One Taiwan" policy under which official diplomatic contacts were exclusively with Beijing but continued to sell billions of dollars a year of fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and missiles to Taiwan to help defend against a possible Chinese effort to refunify by force.
     In 1997 President Clinton declared a "strategic partnership" with Beijing over intense Republican objections. It was an astute recognition of the fact that China's 1.2 billion people must be accorded a central place in U.S. foreign policy. But the historic, moral and economic ties that bind the U.S. to Taiwan's 23 million people stand squarely in the way of cutting off arms sales and renouncing the pact under which the U.S. obliged itself to come to Taiwan's defense in the event of attack by China. That U.S. pledge and continuing arms sales continue to inflame Beijing to periodic bursts of violent anti-U.S. rhetoric.
     Taiwan has been a domocracy since 1989 when it legalized opposition parties. It held its first democratic presidential elections in 1990. Lee Teng-hui handily won to keep the presidency which he had originally gained in 1988. Lee won again in 1996. Since 1997 he began efforts to warm up relations with Beijing by agreeing to enter into negotiations under a "One-China" framework with an eye toward eventual reunification. Beijing's leaders continued their highly successful campaign of pressuring diplomatic partners into severing ties with Taiwan. China even raised hell when Lee made a semi-surreptitious trip to New York in 1997. Since then China has scared neighborning nations like the Philippines into not allowing Lee to enter. As of 1999 Taiwan's diplomatic allies number about 18 out of about 220 nations on earth. All are tiny, impoverished Central American, African and Pacific Island nations that appreciate Taiwan's generous aid packages. Pago Pago is considered a major ally.
     Feisty Lee Teng-hui launched his own guerilla offensive in July, 1999 by declaring over German radio that Taiwan was in fact a separate state and would negotiate with Beijing on an equal footing. That sent Beijing into a tizzy. It fired off bombastic threats to take Taiwan by force and to annhilate the U.S. Navy if it intervenes. On October 18 during his British visit Chinese President Jiang Zemin assumed a softer, more relaxed tone in telling a London newspaper that China would be peacefully reunited with Taiwan under a one-nation two-systems formula by the middle of the next century. One might have expected Lee to have been relieved by that statement. Instead, he brushed it aside as "a hoax". China should try instead to set a timetable for its democratization as that was the only way to ensure reunification, sneered Lee's Mainland Affairs Council chairman Su Chi. Most polls show that a clear majority of Taiwanese prefer to maintain the status quo indefinitely rather than moving toward unification.
     Beijing's reunification mandate appears based on the idea that in winning the mainland, the Chinese people had rejected the "criminal" Kuomingtang and its right to rule any part of China. It also sees Taiwan as a galling symbol of the division wrought and preserved by western imperialists -- namely, the U.S. -- seeking to enjoy global hegemony at the expense of Chinese dignity.
     Meanwhile the U.S. remains on the hook to defend Taiwan and sell it arms though doing so keeps its relations with a quarter of humanity rocky and on edge. Under its current policy the U.S. is the asbestos firewall that keeps friction between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait from igniting into war.
     Should the U.S. continue alienating Beijing to help Taiwan protect its independence or improve relations with China by pressuring Taiwan to reunite?

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when china is rich,

And you think that's gonna happen anytime soon? Please, I saw that CNBC special about China's supposedly growing economy, yet all they focused on was Shanghai. Funny how they forgot to mention that nearly 84% of the entire Chinese population lives in rural areas with about less than one U.S. dollar a day. Yeah some progress.

no chinaman would wanna immigrate to america.

Well duh, if your native country is wealthy why would you need to immigrate somewhere else? Why do you think there are more Chinese in America than Japanese? Maybe because Japan is a prosperous nation that's advanced economically whereas China under the CCP oppressed her own killing millions and forcing many millions more into exhile.

all china needs is another 50 yrs or so, which is nothing in china's long history.

The USA was more backwards than anyone two hundred years ago, and yet in her small history she has become the most prosperous nation in the world. This is not about the past, it's about the future.

the civilized shall preveil in the end.

I didn't know civilized meant killing off 30 million of your own people. Wait does it also mean running over students with tanks? Yeah real civilized. I know what you people are gonna say in response so don't even bother. You're going to accuse me of being anti-China and Chinese and call me a racist or claim that I'm not Chinese, etc. Notice that I don't equate China or Chinese with the CCP. That's my hint, so hopefully you can figure it out from there.
The Truth    Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 16:43:13 (PST)    [198.81.27.16]
huu76, your message(s) have some incorrect information.

1.Food supply - China has been a net exporter for 17 years. And the impact is being felt by many nations. For example, Japanese farmers demand government protection against Chinese food/produce/products so they don't go down.

2.Competition with Taiwan - Taiwanese are running toward the mainland. It looks more like cooperation to most (Chinese or foreign) peoples. From businesses chasing success/profit, students looking for better education, young professionals looking for opportunities, to movies/TV/pop music/entertainment stars earning millions in mainland, even Taiwanese military personnel, intelligence agents are found to be working for mainland, etc. It's estimated there are approx. 400,000 Taiwanese in Shanghai area, 100,000 in Canton/Shenzhen/HK area, 100,000 Taiwanese in Beijing area, plus thousand in other cities and areas (Tsindao, Dalian, Fukien, Xiamen, etc.)I would boldly predict this trend will continue and the number(s) may double in the near future. And we know numbers don't lie.

3.One child policy - this policy has been debated for many years.

Just FYI, it's reported that by 2020, China will stop the one-child policy to prevent the reverse pyramid of the population.

Regards,
builder    Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 12:09:35 (PST)    [24.188.239.207]
The Truth,

"Now how a Chinese person can honestly support a regime that instigated all of this beyond me"

The same way a Chinese person can support a country that treats his Chinese forefather as subhuman. Just look up USA history. Chinese exclusion acts. Institutionalized Discrimination in California Government, etc.

The same way a Chinese person can support a province that stole money and national treasures from the mainland.

If you are looking for injustice the world is full of it. If you're looking for change in a positive direction I believe the CCP is the "lesser evil" to support for the mainland.

"CCP themselves know their time is about to run out on them so they are doing everything they can to fatten their wallets."

Just like Bill Clinton fatten his wallet in office. Just like Bush II. Just like Lee Tung Hui. Just like Chen Shui Ben.

That is just a fact of life in political leadership. Kick backs, soft money, etc...

Now if you ask me will the CCP change in a positive direction. I would say those 8 consultant parties are going in the right step.

Do I believe everything Jiang is doing is in the right direction? Probably not everything. But a good majority of his policies and directions are in the right direction.

"You get to enjoy more freedoms than the average person in China"

That is called the Grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side phenomenon. On the flip side I also reside in a country where I have to work twice as hard just to gain acceptance among my peers. When I reside in China and Taiwan the last thing I need to worry about is "I am I acting too Chinese."

The rest of your critism...I just don't see how that relates to Taiwan. Taiwan is not the USA. Not even by whatever idealist measuring stick you are using.
AC Dropout    Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 11:02:49 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
huu76,

"Just curious on what your thought is on the genius who came up with the one child policy?"

The one child policy is not an absolute law in China. Ethnic minorities and farmers are excluded from the policy. It mainly applies to Urbanites in China. For practical and resources purposes.

As for revolt...if you keep up with CCP policies and what not. You will see that this is the exact situation they are trying to prevent. Distribution of wealth is one of the first things on their aggenda every year. They are communist you understand...unlike laize faire society. Their government doesn't support every-man-for-himself mentality yet.

Foreign investment is usually tied into a countries stability. So based on that China is one of the leading stable countries on the planet.
AC Dropout    Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 10:30:35 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
huu76,

You are a moron with this Open Door Policy. I guess I will have to spell it out for you.

Statement of U.S. foreign policy toward China. Initiated by U.S. secretary of state J. Hay (1899), the policy reaffirmed the principle that all nations should have equal access to Chinese ports open to trade. The U.S. sent notes to Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, and Russia explaining the policy to prevent them from establishing separate spheres of influence in China. Their replies were evasive, but the U.S. considered them acceptances of the policy.- Yahoo! Reference.

The Open Door Policy is an act of aggression by the USA on China to establish a coalition policy of how to "divide" China at gun point with the other fellow foriegn "invaders" for trade.

Remember China was attacked in the first place because it did not wish to do trade directly with either the Europeans or the USA.

Ugh, you really are an ignorant idiot. All your comments make no sense because you refuse to do a simple web search. What a fool you are. Everyone with half an education on this board has a big ? about every comment you made so far in the past week.
AC Dropout    Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 10:22:12 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Hey Nicholai,
Although I agree with a good deal of what you say, I resent your comment about the computer nerds. Remember, that the world's biggest computer nerd is in Redmond. The rest of the nerds who aren't born here come from the ex-Soviet Union.

AC,
I read that China banned the use of ultrasounds because too many girls were being aborted. Just curious on what your thought is on the genius who came up with the one child policy? It takes 2.1 children to maintain your population (is it because they only have enough food to feed the army?).
How can China compete for Taiwan when it can't even feed itself, let alone its allies?
The Three gorges might improve the situation a little, but other than farmers, who's going to be out there? Sounds like a formula for revolt if the East coast gets what little money China has while the rest of the country barely ekes out a living to support the coast. Hotspots like that don't generally tend to attract Western $$$.
huu76    Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 00:50:36 (PST)    [64.231.97.44]
>>>Sure you can be anti-CCP.>>>

Or you can always be pro-CCP. Supporting the same government that caused China to fall into a blackhole economically, destroyed the country's traditional, rich history and culture, starved millions of Chinese people to death, ruined the lives of ten times the millions more, caused millions more to escape leaving the ones behind to be undeducated and underdeveloped. Now how a Chinese person can honestly support a regime that instigated all of this beyond me until I realized that they are the masters of propaganda and continue to lie and cheat the average mainlander. Say what you want AC, bottom line is your lies are just that, LIES! They don't mean much and to those who don't live in LALA land, we actually know what China under the CCP really is. A poor underdeveloped nation whose the world's superpower of piracy and manufacture of cheap goods. Besides, the fact that you don't live even live in China yet you speak of so many great things about it proves that your opinion is hardly valid and unworthy of serious discussion.

But the truth is they are the only game in town.

HAHAHA not for long, the CCP themselves know their time is about to run out on them so they are doing everything they can to fatten their wallets. Communism in China is like a chicken that was just beheaded. It's running round hysterically waiting to give out it's last kick. It ended in the Soviet Union, East Germany, it will eventually end in China.

So you can sit on the side line and lament.

Oh I do lament. I lament on the fact that the same government that killed off millions of it's own people and turned it's nation into an economic toilet can still convince morons like you (Who live in an overseas democracy or so you say)that communism is the answer for that nation. I mean brainwashing the mainlanders is different (These people obviously have no choice as they are indeed an enslaved people) whereas people like you live in a democracy. You get to enjoy more freedoms than the average person in China could ever hope to. LOLOL what a joke!!!

Or you see that the CCP is changing and so is the PRC.

The CCP hasn't changed one bit, they are still the same deceitful, no-good, lying SOB's that they've always been. They are just not as bad as they were back when Mao was sitting on the throne. Not exactly a compliment I must say. Hell the CCP don't even trust each other, they are like a dysfunctional family full of greed who would do anything to maintain their power. The 50 millions Overseas Chinese in the world are the wealthiest community/diaspora and invest billions of dollars to China annually, yet the only thing that does is fatten up the CCP's wallets.
The Truth    Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 02:14:51 (PST)    [152.163.188.196]
Nicholi Servia PHD EMP,

hahaha. i can imagine your grandchildren are still demonizing china like you, out of jealousy and difficulty in facing reality. but fact remains, china is rising rapidly to power, as it shall be.

say whatever you want about "freedom of expression" and "human rights." china has a different history and culture than america. why should china follow the west as the model? ethnocentrism is so typical in the west. time to grow up.
the reason china has progressed so much is because china doesn't give a rat's ass what the west says and still won't. china is not america. china does not want to be america. nor should it become one. when china is rich, no chinaman would wanna immigrate to america. in fact, chinaman would return to china. all china needs is another 50 yrs or so, which is nothing in china's long history. the civilized shall preveil in the end.

now, keep yapping about your precious "freedoms."
Hoklo Taiwanese    Friday, November 29, 2002 at 19:18:32 (PST)    [66.185.85.81]
AC,
Full of myself? I don't recall ever trying to define your open door policy.
Let my comments sink in and make sure you understand me before you reply fool.

Just a quick run through the above article makes no mention of an open door policy. What are trying to prove?

I don't look this subject up because much like every other policy in China, it means nothing to the rest of the world. You understand that?
huu76    Friday, November 29, 2002 at 17:34:09 (PST)    [64.231.96.197]
SOG,

"Thank you so much for praying for Lauren. her infection is 100% gone, this is literally a miracle. She saw god too. Its a amazing story. Thanks my friend. I'll never forget your kindness in my moment of need. If you ever need any help dont hesitate to ask."

I would be extremely surprised if God paid me any attention. Usually, when I try to talk to Him, I only jinx myself! :)

Send me the story.
Apache Driver ah6gdriver@hotmail.com    Friday, November 29, 2002 at 15:14:42 (PST)    [67.84.132.190]
"At least they can still produce rice and computer nerds."

Hardly constructive, dude.
Apache Driver    Friday, November 29, 2002 at 13:44:26 (PST)    [67.84.132.190]
NS,

You must be an idiot of some sort.

First off every Uptopian theory doesn't work. Laissez-faire totally unregulated free markets don't work either. USA has had monopoly buster, CEO scandals, and labor union scandals to show that free-markets are not able to function. I'm not going to get into how True Democracy doesn't work in the USA either. You are at least behind in a few schools of thought to make that even worth my time explaining.

First off USA is trying to have socialized medicine. The rest of the civilized world has socialized medicine. Only in the USA do we not have socialized medicine. But that is really another debate.

Unskill labor is unskill labor, that is just a fact of life. In all of asia and other industrialised nations (ie. Germany) ones education is pretty determined by Junior high. But in the USA we can also conversely say we produce a bunch of lazy dreamers. Think about our own .com bubble. A bunch of dreamers offering nothing to the world, bilking the stock market for all its worth. Ever heard of some 20 something CEO of a .com that fleeced everyone and offered nothing in return...dime a dozen.

In the USA we seperate the gifted children from the average student all the time. Do you know how many compliants I got as a child because I "ruined" the curve. Only in our poor USA education system is "math for poets" considered a crediable class. Our math education has gotten so piss poor SAT allow for the use of calculators.

Look you are just ranting on and on about China. What's that got to do with Taiwan.

For everyone on of those critism you have about China, they also occur in the USA. What's your point...you are not convincing anyone that you are not an in the closet racist. With comments like "rice and computer nerds"

Just another KKK poser on this site ranting about China to compensate for the fact he'll be working at Mcky D for the rest of life.
AC Dropout    Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:55:52 (PST)    [24.90.98.143]
huu76,

As for re-immigrating to China. It is not totally out of the question for me in the future. However, any person who has serious thought about immigrating when they are past 22 of age realises the investment and preparation necessary to do it right. I've seen enough sob stories in the USA when people don't prepare for the immigration process.

That funny about the mike tyson thing. Well all great fighters believe they are #1 when they step into the ring. Don't worry I'll go easy on you if we ever step into the ring together. I'll only use my feet. hahaha.
AC Dropout    Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:21:22 (PST)    [24.90.98.143]

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