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ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES
TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE
OR UNIFICATION?
(Updated
Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:54:56 PM)
he most pressing Asian foreign policy issue currently faced by the U.S. is the Taiwan question. The email we receive in reaction to our articles relating to this issue suggests that it's an emotional one for many of our readers. Perhaps one reason for the emotion is the fact that the issue isn't amenable to an easy or simple solution.
The first historical mention of Taiwan appears to have been when Portugese traders found it to be a resting place on their journey to Japan and named it Isla Formosa. Beijing's claim to Taiwan dates back to the 16th century when a Chinese general fought off the Portugese to claim the island for the emperor. In 1895 the expansion-minded Japanese annexed it after defeating China in a war on the Corean peninsula. China briefly reestablished sovereignty over Taiwan following Japan's defeat in August of 1945.
At the time the official government of China, as recognized by most nations of the world, was under the control of the Kuomingtang headed by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. He was engaged in a desperate war against Mao Tse-tung's peasant army. Despite billions of dollars of aid by the U.S. based mainly on intensely partisan reporting by Henry Luce's Time/Life empire, the spectacularly corrupt Chiang lost that war and fled to Taiwan with 2.5 million followers.
He established the present government of Taiwan on December 7, 1949 and proclaimed it the sole legitimate government of all China. Mao made the same claim. The claims competed until 1971 when it became clear to most of the world that Mao's was more persuasive. Taiwan was kicked out of the UN. The Beijing government took its place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a seat given in recognition of China's role in fighting Japan in World War II.
Mired in its own misguided war in Vietnam, and intensely fearful of anything red, the U.S. was one of the last nations to recognize the legitimacy of Mao's government. In 1972 Richard Nixon made his historic journey to Beijing. In 1976 the U.S. took the next step by recognizing the People's Republic as China's sole legitimate government. It began pursuing the "One China, One Taiwan" policy under which official diplomatic contacts were exclusively with Beijing but continued to sell billions of dollars a year of fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and missiles to Taiwan to help defend against a possible Chinese effort to refunify by force.
In 1997 President Clinton declared a "strategic partnership" with Beijing over intense Republican objections. It was an astute recognition of the fact that China's 1.2 billion people must be accorded a central place in U.S. foreign policy. But the historic, moral and economic ties that bind the U.S. to Taiwan's 23 million people stand squarely in the way of cutting off arms sales and renouncing the pact under which the U.S. obliged itself to come to Taiwan's defense in the event of attack by China. That U.S. pledge and continuing arms sales continue to inflame Beijing to periodic bursts of violent anti-U.S. rhetoric.
Taiwan has been a domocracy since 1989 when it legalized opposition parties. It held its first democratic presidential elections in 1990. Lee Teng-hui handily won to keep the presidency which he had originally gained in 1988. Lee won again in 1996. Since 1997 he began efforts to warm up relations with Beijing by agreeing to enter into negotiations under a "One-China" framework with an eye toward eventual reunification. Beijing's leaders continued their highly successful campaign of pressuring diplomatic partners into severing ties with Taiwan. China even raised hell when Lee made a semi-surreptitious trip to New York in 1997. Since then China has scared neighborning nations like the Philippines into not allowing Lee to enter. As of 1999 Taiwan's diplomatic allies number about 18 out of about 220 nations on earth. All are tiny, impoverished Central American, African and Pacific Island nations that appreciate Taiwan's generous aid packages. Pago Pago is considered a major ally.
Feisty Lee Teng-hui launched his own guerilla offensive in July, 1999 by declaring over German radio that Taiwan was in fact a separate state and would negotiate with Beijing on an equal footing. That sent Beijing into a tizzy. It fired off bombastic threats to take Taiwan by force and to annhilate the U.S. Navy if it intervenes. On October 18 during his British visit Chinese President Jiang Zemin assumed a softer, more relaxed tone in telling a London newspaper that China would be peacefully reunited with Taiwan under a one-nation two-systems formula by the middle of the next century. One might have expected Lee to have been relieved by that statement. Instead, he brushed it aside as "a hoax". China should try instead to set a timetable for its democratization as that was the only way to ensure reunification, sneered Lee's Mainland Affairs Council chairman Su Chi. Most polls show that a clear majority of Taiwanese prefer to maintain the status quo indefinitely rather than moving toward unification.
Beijing's reunification mandate appears based on the idea that in winning the mainland, the Chinese people had rejected the "criminal" Kuomingtang and its right to rule any part of China. It also sees Taiwan as a galling symbol of the division wrought and preserved by western imperialists -- namely, the U.S. -- seeking to enjoy global hegemony at the expense of Chinese dignity.
Meanwhile the U.S. remains on the hook to defend Taiwan and sell it arms though doing so keeps its relations with a quarter of humanity rocky and on edge. Under its current policy the U.S. is the asbestos firewall that keeps friction between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait from igniting into war.
Should the U.S. continue alienating Beijing to help Taiwan protect its independence or improve relations with China by pressuring Taiwan to reunite?
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AC,
All due respect to your comments, but you seem to be making a sport to bash Taiwan and the US and have nothing but praise for China. But come on hard to anybody who bashes China.
Could China be all that "perfect?" Man, I'm going to renounce my US citizenship and go to the PRC (but then again, I guess I'm not good enough for the PRC).
PRC "Dreaming"   
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 23:53:31 (PST)
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How has the USA directly compensated Chinese-American for their injustice.
You can argue that by allowing all immigrants a chance to prosper (Which would include Chinese Americans), is a way to compensate.
Yes Chinese-American have become prosperous in the USA, but that is not because the USA helped us.
If the USA did not allow personal freedoms and turned their democracy upside down like the CCP, you think these Chinese Americans would have become prosperous?
Unlike the CCP which is actively assisting Chinese to become prosperous and modernize the country.
HAHAHAHA yeah keeping all FDI so their wallets can fatten up is really active assistance.
A Bully that decides not to pick on the Chinese, because they are busy picking on Middle-Easterns is a lot different
Not that I support racial profiling but the people who are the main target of terrorist threats are viewed as Middle Easterners, that's just the way it is.
No more so than you using the Jewish Holocaust as somesort of measuring stick of suffering.
30 million people starved to death by their own government opposed to 6 million gased by the Nazi's. I'd say they are pretty damn comparable. I've seen pictures of the victims during the CR years hand given to me personally. If you think the concentration camps were disturbing, you'd be equally disturbed. But then again, atleast Germany admitted to all of her atrocities whereas the CCP blamed everyone but themselves for it or tried to mollify the situation by cutting the numerical figures in half. LOL their excuse was the gang of four. Funny thing is, before 1997, I could research and get some kind of internet reference like photographs about the CR years.
The Jewish Holocaust pales in comparision to USA treatment of Blacks and Native American. Not to Mention Japanese war crimes in Asia during WWII.
Actually they all pale in comparison to any of the CCP's atrocities.
When you stop using Hollywood as your historiical reference I'm sure our disscussion will move forward.
Hollywood hardly touches the subject of the Great Leap Backwards, they should though.
How do you measure Best days and Worst days?
You don't need to live in China to know that the economic conditions there are terrible and in no way comparable to how we live here over in the states. Just take a trip to China and ask the average person there.
Have you even lived in Asia?
None of your business where I have lived.
Didn't think so with an argument like that.
More assumptions from the propaganda machine. DOn't you ever work, I mean especially with your dad's take out and all.
Further analysis of this paragraph and your last statement basically statement pegs you as a white guy.
Yes we all know that if someone reveals negative truths about the PRC, he will automatically be pegged as a white guy. It's written as scientific knowledge. ::::SARCASM MODE OFF::::
"Hey atleast you have a chance to prosper. You're given every opportunity to prosper in a well-off democracy and you're complaining about discrimination? Tell that to the millions of Chinese residing in the countryside fielding their rice-paddies earning less than a dollar a day. Do you know what they'd do to be in your position? It's evidenced by the fact that thousands of Chinese risk their lives jumping on Cargo containers every year here in the U.S."
This paragraph makes very little sense and just reveils the lack of travel you've experienced in life.
Oh son, you'd be surprised at how much I've traveled.
What makes you think I would not prosper in China
The same reason 900 million people under the CCP have not.
or ROC,
I can't recall stating that you or anyone else can't prosper under the ROC, afterall it is a democracy.
if my family never decided to immigrated here. Based on the track record of my extended family in my age group in ROC and China, without active discrimination, they have done rather well for themselves.
Please omit impertinent information regarding your family. I don't know you or your family and this is the internet. For all I know you could be the Charles Manson, so telling me these stories with absolutely no way of corroboration is totally useless.
So what's with this comparision for peasants in China.
Gee I dunno, maybe because that's what 84% of all Chinese mainlanders are?
You might as well relate those peasant to the farmers in rural America.
Which pale in comparison to overall numbers of those in the mainland. IRRELEVANT attempt for a rebuttal, NEXT!!!!!!!!
How many family farms are left in the USA? Almost none. They've all been pushed out by technology.
Technology can cause negative externalities in any society, nobody is denying that. That still doesn't change the fact that the majority of Chinese are poor because their government instituted a socialist and tyrannic system that robbed and continues to rob the average Chinese citizen to this day.
The same situation that is going on in China right now. At least the CCP gives some consideration to those displaced peasants in China due to their socialist system.
They should, afterall, nearly 40 years ago they starved about 30 million of those farmers to death. I guess even as evil as the CCP are, atleast they will try to not to let that happen again.
WTF do our USA displaced farmers get. Squat ...welcome to laisse faire.
Again, nobody ever claimed that a "Leave me Alone" economy is perfect or even works really well, but if you look at the overal big picture, you can see that it sure as hell beats the alternatives. Yeah let's go under central planning again hahahaha.
This little conversation reveals something interesting about our KKK poser friend here.
Wow you're really adding color to our conversation. BTW I actually consider it a compliment that a person of your low intellectual ability and CCP mentality to insult me. Please throw some more at me.
First off if ROC and PRC are "my own people,
Wrong, the CCP are your people.
" as he so eloquantly states it, and I consider myself Chinese American, why shouldn't the ROC and PRC unify since they are the same people.
I wouldn't mind if the PRC reunites with the ROC as long as the PRC changes itself into the ROC as well. Why do you think Taiwanese people have tried so hard to disassociate itself from the mainland to the point where they have even denied their own culture and heritage? If you answered communism, you are absolutely correct.
I guess "the truth" is finally revealed. hahahah.
Yep, that I still stand strong against my CCP supporting, red-tail, propaganda spewing, opponent. OH well, gtg anyways it'll be my last post for awhile. Got me some pretty huge midterms to study for (Poli Sci, Econ, Calc, and Comp Sci). Wish me luck!!!!!!!!
The Truth   
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 15:25:31 (PST)
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AC Clueless:
There are plenty of German and Japanese immigrants here in the USA illegally. Just because the source country are not our idealogical oppenents, we just don't hear about them.
HAHAHA more propaganda from the moronic propaganda machine. Sources please.
In fact, when Germans first arrived in America they were consider sub-human as well.
I don't doubt that but that wasn't my main point. I'm talking the present day concerns, how many illegel cargo Germans have you heard of as opposed mainlanders? Honestly how many Germans or Japanese do you know of that would risk their lives jumping in cargo containers just to try to get American citizenship? Please go back to working at your daddies take out. You obviously failed the U.S. education system.
Ben Franklin thought German immigrant oder was quite offensive. Not to even mention Germany been a funnel for mail order brides of Eastern Europe. Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Again more irrelevant information that has nothing to do with the topic. Besides, you go talking of all this discrimination you face in America because of your Chinese heritage. LOL do you not think that the same would not happen if the situation was reversed? That mainlanders won't discriminate if there's a minority of overachieving whites?
Your other point is idealogical mumbo-jumbo.
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What do you know of 84% of China.
I know that they live in piles of their own crap due to communism. I know that they live on less than a dollar a day. You could go to China and ask these people themselves, or you could check other statistical sources. However, I advise you not check any sources conceived of by the CCP. Of course, they will tell you all the great things of China without revealing any of the darkside. But being the red-tailer that you are, it's only natural that you would buy into the whole media hype of the PRC.
You go talking to approx. 900 million people these days.
I don't need to know every last 900 million mainlander inviduals to know that they live in rather poor economic conditions. In all seriousness, how can anyone deny that? Even a clueless, red-tailing, CCP dumbened, son of a take out owner such as yourself.
The point being USA is a country of immigrants. They are suppose to come here. We use our propoganda machines to ensure they keep on coming here.
HAHAHAHA a CCP red tailer is accusing someone else of propaganda.
If no immigrants ever arrived in the USA, our society would collapse...that is a fact of life. So looking down on other immigrant is hypocray, Mr. The Truth aka The True Immigrant.
I can't recall myself ever denying or arguing against it. My argument touches the subject of all the mainlanders jumping on cargo containers risking life to escape communism and living in a democracy. LOL and you have the nerve to say that my reasoning is flawed. You don't even make sense and your doing your best to twist my argument around for your benefit. LOL what a scumbag.
As for comparing economies of international proportions that is like apples and oranges. That like saying a hick like yourself should make New
York City wages.
Nope, not even close. There are about 60 million CCPers living in fat $$$$ and the rest of the population lives in dire poverty. The reason, the CCP has the right to abuse their own citizens. My argument was not comparing economies of internation proportion. Please try again or should I say "More beef with that"? HAHAHAHA BTW I can guarantee you that the average mainlander would kill to live like me economically even if I am a "HICK" HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Doesn't make sense and no respectable economist give much weight to your comment of "less than one US dollar a day."
Your not a respectable economist so this comment is invalid.
Based on your analysis on dollar value Germany and Japan make more on average than the USA for worker compensation...
And how does that refute the fact the average mainlander lives in less than a dollar a day like I originally argued?
Since USA is the largest manufacting sector on the planet...then we must be the cheap labor...
Umm okay cheap labor at the expense of the Chinese mainlanders. Thanks for agreeing with me. It's only natural that a CCPing red tailer like yourself would support exploiting the average mainlander.
As we dig deeper into "the truth," it becomes painfully obvious his stance lacks ground. Other than a feeble attempt to bash China, the rest of his argument holds no merit.
Well I don't hold your analysis or evaluation or my argument in any high regard but thanks anyways HAHAHAHAHA. BTW I have not once bashed China, the CCP? Yes, China? No. Revealing negative realities about CHina due to the CCP is hardly what I call bashing.
Your moral argument is moot. Since you already agreed with me the USA is no more moralistic than the PRC.
Wrong wrong wrong, I think neither of the two regimes are moralistic. I just know the difference between the lesser of the two evils. Now let's address the question to the dirty take out owner's son who supports the CCP.
Based on a comment like this it is relatively intuitive to deduce your lack of social standing.
Please omit superfluous information regarding your personal life. I do not need to know your social standing, much less care.
Not to mention your white like filling inside a twinkie.
OH geez, so predictable. More CCP bashing= White person. LOL that's the CCP mentality for ya.
Now let get back to Taiwan. Or you have nothing to say on that topic, becuase your so focused on bashing China.
I've already refuted this comment, no need to do so again.
El Truth   
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 12:07:48 (PST)
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Christine,
"The current generation of people in power must die off and drastic changes must take place in China in order for anything to happen"
Well I mean conversely the same could be same of the leadership of Taiwan. Once the leaders of Taiwan come to their senses this stalemate could also come to an end peacefully.
AC Dropout   
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 12:25:11 (PST)
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The Truth,
There are plenty of German and Japanese immigrants here in the USA illegally. Just because the source country are not our idealogical oppenents, we just don't hear about them. In fact, when Germans first arrived in America they were consider sub-human as well. Ben Franklin thought German immigrant oder was quite offensive. Not to even mention Germany been a funnel for mail order brides of Eastern Europe. Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Your other point is idealogical mumbo-jumbo. What do you know of 84% of China. You go talking to approx. 900 million people these days. Didn't think so. That's like stating well since the internet is full of asian porn sites for english consumers. Every white guy in American dreams of having an asian girlfriend/wife.
The point being USA is a country of immigrants. They are suppose to come here. We use our propoganda machines to ensure they keep on coming here. If no immigrants ever arrived in the USA, our society would collapse...that is a fact of life. So looking down on other immigrant is hypocray, Mr. The Truth aka The True Immigrant.
As for comparing economies of international proportions that is like apples and oranges. That like saying a hick like yourself should make New York City wages. Doesn't make sense and no respectable economist give much weight to your comment of "less than one US dollar a day."
Based on your analysis on dollar value Germany and Japan make more on average than the USA for worker compensation...As you can see your reasoning is flawed.
Since USA is the largest manufacting sector on the planet...then we must be the cheap labor...more flawed logic "the truth" tries introduced.
As we dig deeper into "the truth," it becomes painfully obvious his stance lacks ground. Other than a feeble attempt to bash China, the rest of his argument holds no merit.
Your moral argument is moot. Since you already agreed with me the USA is no more moralistic than the PRC.
"you know nothing about me or my life, so therefore your lousy attempt of an insult is irrelevant."
Based on a comment like this it is relatively intuitive to deduce your lack of social standing. Not to mention your white like filling inside a twinkie.
Now let get back to Taiwan. Or you have nothing to say on that topic, becuase your so focused on bashing China.
AC Dropout   
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 12:21:49 (PST)
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T'K Chang,
That's funny. Everytime I read the Chinese newspaper I get the sneaky feeling ROC will collapse before the PRC.
When was the last time you heard of a married PRC Legislator hiding in the USA with their Lover.
AC Dropout   
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 11:31:05 (PST)
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