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TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE
OR UNIFICATION?

(Updated Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:54:54 PM)

he most pressing Asian foreign policy issue currently faced by the U.S. is the Taiwan question. The email we receive in reaction to our articles relating to this issue suggests that it's an emotional one for many of our readers. Perhaps one reason for the emotion is the fact that the issue isn't amenable to an easy or simple solution.
     The first historical mention of Taiwan appears to have been when Portugese traders found it to be a resting place on their journey to Japan and named it Isla Formosa. Beijing's claim to Taiwan dates back to the 16th century when a Chinese general fought off the Portugese to claim the island for the emperor. In 1895 the expansion-minded Japanese annexed it after defeating China in a war on the Corean peninsula. China briefly reestablished sovereignty over Taiwan following Japan's defeat in August of 1945.
     At the time the official government of China, as recognized by most nations of the world, was under the control of the Kuomingtang headed by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. He was engaged in a desperate war against Mao Tse-tung's peasant army. Despite billions of dollars of aid by the U.S. based mainly on intensely partisan reporting by Henry Luce's Time/Life empire, the spectacularly corrupt Chiang lost that war and fled to Taiwan with 2.5 million followers.
     He established the present government of Taiwan on December 7, 1949 and proclaimed it the sole legitimate government of all China. Mao made the same claim. The claims competed until 1971 when it became clear to most of the world that Mao's was more persuasive. Taiwan was kicked out of the UN. The Beijing government took its place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a seat given in recognition of China's role in fighting Japan in World War II.
     Mired in its own misguided war in Vietnam, and intensely fearful of anything red, the U.S. was one of the last nations to recognize the legitimacy of Mao's government. In 1972 Richard Nixon made his historic journey to Beijing. In 1976 the U.S. took the next step by recognizing the People's Republic as China's sole legitimate government. It began pursuing the "One China, One Taiwan" policy under which official diplomatic contacts were exclusively with Beijing but continued to sell billions of dollars a year of fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and missiles to Taiwan to help defend against a possible Chinese effort to refunify by force.
     In 1997 President Clinton declared a "strategic partnership" with Beijing over intense Republican objections. It was an astute recognition of the fact that China's 1.2 billion people must be accorded a central place in U.S. foreign policy. But the historic, moral and economic ties that bind the U.S. to Taiwan's 23 million people stand squarely in the way of cutting off arms sales and renouncing the pact under which the U.S. obliged itself to come to Taiwan's defense in the event of attack by China. That U.S. pledge and continuing arms sales continue to inflame Beijing to periodic bursts of violent anti-U.S. rhetoric.
     Taiwan has been a domocracy since 1989 when it legalized opposition parties. It held its first democratic presidential elections in 1990. Lee Teng-hui handily won to keep the presidency which he had originally gained in 1988. Lee won again in 1996. Since 1997 he began efforts to warm up relations with Beijing by agreeing to enter into negotiations under a "One-China" framework with an eye toward eventual reunification. Beijing's leaders continued their highly successful campaign of pressuring diplomatic partners into severing ties with Taiwan. China even raised hell when Lee made a semi-surreptitious trip to New York in 1997. Since then China has scared neighborning nations like the Philippines into not allowing Lee to enter. As of 1999 Taiwan's diplomatic allies number about 18 out of about 220 nations on earth. All are tiny, impoverished Central American, African and Pacific Island nations that appreciate Taiwan's generous aid packages. Pago Pago is considered a major ally.
     Feisty Lee Teng-hui launched his own guerilla offensive in July, 1999 by declaring over German radio that Taiwan was in fact a separate state and would negotiate with Beijing on an equal footing. That sent Beijing into a tizzy. It fired off bombastic threats to take Taiwan by force and to annhilate the U.S. Navy if it intervenes. On October 18 during his British visit Chinese President Jiang Zemin assumed a softer, more relaxed tone in telling a London newspaper that China would be peacefully reunited with Taiwan under a one-nation two-systems formula by the middle of the next century. One might have expected Lee to have been relieved by that statement. Instead, he brushed it aside as "a hoax". China should try instead to set a timetable for its democratization as that was the only way to ensure reunification, sneered Lee's Mainland Affairs Council chairman Su Chi. Most polls show that a clear majority of Taiwanese prefer to maintain the status quo indefinitely rather than moving toward unification.
     Beijing's reunification mandate appears based on the idea that in winning the mainland, the Chinese people had rejected the "criminal" Kuomingtang and its right to rule any part of China. It also sees Taiwan as a galling symbol of the division wrought and preserved by western imperialists -- namely, the U.S. -- seeking to enjoy global hegemony at the expense of Chinese dignity.
     Meanwhile the U.S. remains on the hook to defend Taiwan and sell it arms though doing so keeps its relations with a quarter of humanity rocky and on edge. Under its current policy the U.S. is the asbestos firewall that keeps friction between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait from igniting into war.
     Should the U.S. continue alienating Beijing to help Taiwan protect its independence or improve relations with China by pressuring Taiwan to reunite?

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WHAT YOU SAY

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huu76,
Contrary to your belief, the world is not that tempted to fight fight fight, most countries got internal improvements to deal with, with the exception of good ole Middle East of course. BTW the big peacekeeper in your heart, the Great US of A is constantly picking fights and has been since the 1800s(ever heard of the Mexican War?). We're very close to war now, though Suddam should be taken out of office. No I'm not a USA hater, but sometimes, people have to realize that the world does not revolve around America and the death of American does not trigger Armaggedon.

Sure China isn't the only country with cheap labor, but its the biggest source of cheap labor.
Christine    Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 11:10:11 (PST)    [141.151.9.63]
[Some posts have been lost due to system error. No, seriously. Our sincere apologies. --Ed]
Im not sure what all the ranting about National GDP's is on this board between the ROC and the PRC.
Im not sure about some of you, but, I actually live in China (for now).
It doesnt seem to me that the increase in wages and GDP is directly improving the people themselves. I do understand the significant increases in living standars after the death of Chairman Mao, but, the people still seem to be stagnating.

China is basically three types of classes. The Rich, the middle class and the Poor (just like America).
While he communism was suppossed to eradicate classing, it failed and left China this way.
The Government and the buisnessmen are the Rich. Making over 100,000 RMB per year.
The regular workers in Administration and buisness segmenting are the middle class, Making less than 50,000 RMB per year make up the largest segment of China and because of the way the system is set up here, they are gonna stay in that bracket.
Sadly, the Poor who make under 10,000 RMB per year make up such a large percentage, it isnt even funny. The average worker "GONG REN", the regular teachers in middle schools and youth schools, as well as anyone in the food industry works their fingers to the bone and for what? Nothing! and dont even mention the Farmers here.
I basically watch Chinese news all the time. Farmers in China currently make less than $100 dollars US.
Citibank is currently trying to expand its control to the underdeveloped urban areas of China by developing "MICROLOANS"...to increase the wages of Chinese farmers from $100 - $1000. That progress will take about 10 years to have impact.

----The PRC's economy is equivalent to the U.S.

In a Pig's eye!
I wanna see your proof on this one and when you show it to me, Im gonna find the person who wrote it, go up to them and call them a liar to their face.
You may not have said this outright but you have been implying it. Implication is as bad as admission.

"-Communism has done more for Chinese than capitalism has done for Americans."

Do yourself a favor, Visit Shanghai or Hangzhou, Beijing, Hong Kong or Shandong. If Chairman Mao could see how capitalism is doing here, he would be turning in his grave.


-AC Dropout bashes the US and praises China so much yet he lives in the good ole democratic states (or so he says) instead of the wonderful PRC.

I may be wrong about this, but I honestly dont believe Ac Dropout is a Chinese male. I got into a long dispute with a poster named Hsiao PHD who sprang up to challeng me during my first post and then returned with the name "rose" to back herself up. too bad she wasnt smart enough to remember to change her IP address. The only thing about it is, something isn't kosher about this guy. I feel that anyone who says the things he says has either
#1 not an American
#2 Doesnt remember China or know what state it is in currently
#3 is so out of touch with his culture and himself that these arguments make him feel good or
#4 is just raising trouble.

I hope AC Dropout really did not say

"-The starvation of millions of Chinese is no big deal. China has so many people, who cares if a few of them died?"

Ive been in China and Asia long enough to know people are hurtin' bad here. The government looks excellent on paper but the people are losing.
My first trip to China made me appreciate being an American so much that I got on my knees and thanked God.
NS PHD EMP nicholiservia@hotmail.com    Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 07:55:49 (PST)    [211.156.3.75]
If you want to make a lot of money in the next 5 years, you have to be connected to China somehow.

Sure, if you want to exploit the cheap Chinese laborers.
Anaheim Native    Monday, December 09, 2002 at 17:20:38 (PST)    [138.23.59.125]
Hey guys the J-10 is in service with the chinese air force, 10 of them has been employed in the nanjing military region. Comparable to F-16C fighter, prepaps a little better. Quite capable of taking down F-18E\F super hornets. Albeit with their A-50 AWACs leased from russia.

AC

you all alone defending their attacks? Dont worry bud. SOG is back.
SOG    Monday, December 09, 2002 at 12:49:33 (PST)    [128.193.4.98]
China, especially now is so red hot on economy and high on nationalism, will not allow Taiwan independence. The CCP government with PLA backing will do as much as sable rattling as they can.

It is sad that many oversea Chinese, for whatever reason, promoting war as a solution to solve the Taiwan problem, while using labels of splitists or separatist to attack people with different view points. Many oversea Chinese project their personal failure and unhappiness to victimization of 19tt century Chinese history. Their seeking a strong China and promote war to Taiwan are saddest thing indeed.

China is much bigger and longer than 50 or 100 years. Many political divisions were resolved in thousands years of Chinese history. Chinese today is also the most civilized and intelligent generation than ever. To seek a peace way to resolve the Taiwan issue is not only a challenge but also a responsibility of all Chinese people.

As Chinese Americans, peace in the region is the up most priority. To prevent war among Chinese people is our obligation.

Chinese people have suffered enough for political unrest. Politicians in modern China failed their people in big times. Body count and blood shed still high in China, more will come if Chinese rulers don¡¯t pay attention to AIDS problem there. Let¡¯s don¡¯t take side with politicians, no matter if they are CCP, KMT or DDP. Our job is to prevent war.

The reunification will happen when China becomes kinder and gentler. When CCP step down, and allows free press, human rights, and democracy. Not only Taiwan, others (Tibet and Xing Jiang minorities ) will join her also.
4 rivers    Monday, December 09, 2002 at 11:36:32 (PST)    [199.184.38.6]
AC,

HAHAHA I knew you'd piss your pants after reading my post. Calm down, have some DIP HAHAHAHA

As for my hair, what are you, a barber? Figures you'd work a low income job.
you developed your own English grammer when addressing me.

Sure I'll develop my "Grammer" when you develop yours HAHA. Oh and a few more things, I've never accused you of AOL, I simply stated that there are CCPers on AOL trying to censor the truth about how bad the PRC is really doing. LOL my my and you honestly have the nerve to call anyone slow. Oh and please do not refer to anyone's grammar skills, yours is far worse than anyone I've seen yet. OF course you would mention that a Taiwanese general is threatening a nuclear attack on the mainland for self-defense yet you don't seem to mention that the PRC has been threatening to wipe out Taiwan for years.
Anaheim Native    Monday, December 09, 2002 at 10:46:32 (PST)    [138.23.59.123]
Builder,
Those aren't my comments.

Are chinese farm products better, or just much, much cheaper? China's economy is built on dumping (Do you know what that means?).
The way Japan's system works, the farmers actually have a disproportionate level of power to influence gov't polcies. So since they can, of course they're going to cover their own butts. It's called survival.

China doesn't hold a monopoly on anything, so I don't know why everyone thinks China is the sole provider of this and that and the world would be in dire straits w/o China. Pathetic.
huu76    Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 06:59:37 (PST)    [207.164.88.163]
Christine,
China isn't the only country with cheap labour. Ever heard of India?
Who's keeping Russia, China, the Middle East and Asia from picking fights with weaker or equal neighbours? I think it's that overwhelmingly powerful democracy called the United States of America (you know, the one that entertains the UN and plays by the rules while the UN protects those that don't). Do you really think the Arabs and Israelis will find a peaceful solution once the Jews lose their protecter? You'll have France and the Soviet Union jumping in after trying to carve out their own interests too.

AC,
You know, only the West really celebrates Christmas for what it is.
huu76    Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 06:48:54 (PST)    [207.164.88.163]
PRC Dreaming,

To AC,

-The PRC's economy is equivalent to the U.S.

-Communism has done more for Chinese than capitalism has done for Americans.

-Taiwan is the one bullying China.

-The starvation of millions of Chinese is no big deal. China has so many people, who cares if a few of them died?

-He bashes the US and praises China so much yet he lives in the good ole democratic states (or so he says) instead of the wonderful PRC.

If this is not enough to make him a joke, I don't what is. He's obviously trying to fool some gullible people. He's probably some commie official sent here by the PRC to spread propaganda. They have those all over AOL you know. Think about it, he's on these boards more than anyone, he tries so hard to get people to believe all of his little lies but always fails and gets clowned on for it. Just read some of the other things he's said on these boards.
Anaheim Native    Friday, December 06, 2002 at 20:25:30 (PST)    [138.23.59.106]
El Truth,

You keep harping on cargo containers and jumping ships. Let's go through this. How many have done this? What are numbers?

Are you even sure this is even true. Ever met a person who came to the USA via this method. Besides a few news report 5 years ago about this, there is almost no news about this anymore. Could be a myth. Just like the Jewish Holocaust could be a myth. Your KKK study sheet should have this covered somewhere.

Just like your fabrication of even having an education.

But honestly based on your posting you never lived in a large city like NYC or LA. Or you would know there are a lot of illegal immigrants from Japan and Germany as well.

And as I mentioned before perhaps it is because those countries are not our idealogical competitor anymore that negative news is not as interesting. Poli Sci...my butt...you need to take a polygraph test....hahaha.
AC Dropout    Friday, December 06, 2002 at 11:11:00 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
El Truth,

Touched a fragile nerve, that you id needed to take another identity, if you believe in Frued.

Look it is obvious you are heading for a life long career in Mcky D. There are mainlander not associated with the CCP who have more money than you will make in your life time.

I know trailer trash like yourself need to look down on someone to compensate for low self esteem. So having never left the trailer park, you choose China. A place you have never even been or lived.

Good luck with your studies....comp sci? You can barely cut and paste correctly.
AC Dropout    Friday, December 06, 2002 at 10:49:06 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
The Truth,

Learn HTML or put my stuff in quotes. It's a pain in the butt reading your post as it is.

"Why do you think Taiwanese people have tried so hard to disassociate itself from the mainland to the point where they have even denied their own culture and heritage?"

Because they are power hungry on Taiwan. People in Power will always make up some nonsense to remain in power. If you really understand the history of ROC and PRC. Communism and Benevolent Dictorship were not at the heart of the issue. The USA supported the Benevolent Dictor, remember....

Probably not since your probably a few years younger than me if your worry about exams.

No need to insult you. You do a pretty good job of insulting yourself on the web. With all your backtracking and hypocracy.

Good luck maintaining that 2.0 average white boy. hahahaha.
AC Dropout    Friday, December 06, 2002 at 10:41:54 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
PRC "Dreaming",

Your citizenship, your call. I would recommend a lot of research on your part if you plan to immigrate to PRC properly.

Most people accustomed to the USA would probably not make it in the PRC. It so competitive over there. Only the strongest and smartest make it.

Look at half the people who post against me. They would be eaten up alive in the PRC business environment.

Peace.
AC Dropout    Friday, December 06, 2002 at 10:35:02 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]

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