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TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE
OR UNIFICATION?

(Updated Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:54:53 PM)

he most pressing Asian foreign policy issue currently faced by the U.S. is the Taiwan question. The email we receive in reaction to our articles relating to this issue suggests that it's an emotional one for many of our readers. Perhaps one reason for the emotion is the fact that the issue isn't amenable to an easy or simple solution.
     The first historical mention of Taiwan appears to have been when Portugese traders found it to be a resting place on their journey to Japan and named it Isla Formosa. Beijing's claim to Taiwan dates back to the 16th century when a Chinese general fought off the Portugese to claim the island for the emperor. In 1895 the expansion-minded Japanese annexed it after defeating China in a war on the Corean peninsula. China briefly reestablished sovereignty over Taiwan following Japan's defeat in August of 1945.
     At the time the official government of China, as recognized by most nations of the world, was under the control of the Kuomingtang headed by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. He was engaged in a desperate war against Mao Tse-tung's peasant army. Despite billions of dollars of aid by the U.S. based mainly on intensely partisan reporting by Henry Luce's Time/Life empire, the spectacularly corrupt Chiang lost that war and fled to Taiwan with 2.5 million followers.
     He established the present government of Taiwan on December 7, 1949 and proclaimed it the sole legitimate government of all China. Mao made the same claim. The claims competed until 1971 when it became clear to most of the world that Mao's was more persuasive. Taiwan was kicked out of the UN. The Beijing government took its place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a seat given in recognition of China's role in fighting Japan in World War II.
     Mired in its own misguided war in Vietnam, and intensely fearful of anything red, the U.S. was one of the last nations to recognize the legitimacy of Mao's government. In 1972 Richard Nixon made his historic journey to Beijing. In 1976 the U.S. took the next step by recognizing the People's Republic as China's sole legitimate government. It began pursuing the "One China, One Taiwan" policy under which official diplomatic contacts were exclusively with Beijing but continued to sell billions of dollars a year of fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and missiles to Taiwan to help defend against a possible Chinese effort to refunify by force.
     In 1997 President Clinton declared a "strategic partnership" with Beijing over intense Republican objections. It was an astute recognition of the fact that China's 1.2 billion people must be accorded a central place in U.S. foreign policy. But the historic, moral and economic ties that bind the U.S. to Taiwan's 23 million people stand squarely in the way of cutting off arms sales and renouncing the pact under which the U.S. obliged itself to come to Taiwan's defense in the event of attack by China. That U.S. pledge and continuing arms sales continue to inflame Beijing to periodic bursts of violent anti-U.S. rhetoric.
     Taiwan has been a domocracy since 1989 when it legalized opposition parties. It held its first democratic presidential elections in 1990. Lee Teng-hui handily won to keep the presidency which he had originally gained in 1988. Lee won again in 1996. Since 1997 he began efforts to warm up relations with Beijing by agreeing to enter into negotiations under a "One-China" framework with an eye toward eventual reunification. Beijing's leaders continued their highly successful campaign of pressuring diplomatic partners into severing ties with Taiwan. China even raised hell when Lee made a semi-surreptitious trip to New York in 1997. Since then China has scared neighborning nations like the Philippines into not allowing Lee to enter. As of 1999 Taiwan's diplomatic allies number about 18 out of about 220 nations on earth. All are tiny, impoverished Central American, African and Pacific Island nations that appreciate Taiwan's generous aid packages. Pago Pago is considered a major ally.
     Feisty Lee Teng-hui launched his own guerilla offensive in July, 1999 by declaring over German radio that Taiwan was in fact a separate state and would negotiate with Beijing on an equal footing. That sent Beijing into a tizzy. It fired off bombastic threats to take Taiwan by force and to annhilate the U.S. Navy if it intervenes. On October 18 during his British visit Chinese President Jiang Zemin assumed a softer, more relaxed tone in telling a London newspaper that China would be peacefully reunited with Taiwan under a one-nation two-systems formula by the middle of the next century. One might have expected Lee to have been relieved by that statement. Instead, he brushed it aside as "a hoax". China should try instead to set a timetable for its democratization as that was the only way to ensure reunification, sneered Lee's Mainland Affairs Council chairman Su Chi. Most polls show that a clear majority of Taiwanese prefer to maintain the status quo indefinitely rather than moving toward unification.
     Beijing's reunification mandate appears based on the idea that in winning the mainland, the Chinese people had rejected the "criminal" Kuomingtang and its right to rule any part of China. It also sees Taiwan as a galling symbol of the division wrought and preserved by western imperialists -- namely, the U.S. -- seeking to enjoy global hegemony at the expense of Chinese dignity.
     Meanwhile the U.S. remains on the hook to defend Taiwan and sell it arms though doing so keeps its relations with a quarter of humanity rocky and on edge. Under its current policy the U.S. is the asbestos firewall that keeps friction between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait from igniting into war.
     Should the U.S. continue alienating Beijing to help Taiwan protect its independence or improve relations with China by pressuring Taiwan to reunite?

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WHAT YOU SAY

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AC dropout:

Thank you very much for letting me know about the tea. I will try it as soon as I can.
New York is a very interesting place I think. Where are you now? may I ask your email address?
Thank You very kindly.
Japanese Maiko    Monday, December 23, 2002 at 09:06:18 (PST)    [211.156.15.232]
Chou Tingrong
"The US should back a Taiwan independence referendum movement, overseen by UN military forces and conducted throughout the island. ONLY, I repeat, ONLY the Taiwanese people have a right to decide what happens to them. Why? Because unlike China, Taiwan is a legitimate democratic nation with representatives who are directly responsible to the people."

- That has got to be he most intelligent, well-versed responce to the question at that I have heard so far. Much better than the usually bs I hear from acdropout.
Unlike him, you sound like a professional.
Taiwan is doing very well for a "rogue nation" I think and I dont think the people should be forced to rejoin China. Here in China, all I hear is one sided arguments about how "AMERICA won't let them go back to China " and how "America stopped the southern states from succeeding from the Union so Taiwan should be stopped". I like arguing with them here because I know the correct combinations of questions to confuse them into believing they are wrong but still, they all think the exact same way the biased, propagandized media does.

Taiwan and S Korea benefit so greatly from Democratic governments that if they went into Communism they would be destroyed and become no better than Shanghai. Hell, if the Government of the PRC gave them the money to be a Shanghai they would be a better Shanghai because travel to Taiwan and Korea would be much harder. Its sad to see acdroput is a native Taiwan. I guess that theory of "traitors at home" is true to this day.

Please keep posting your thoughts on this matter because you have good opinions, in my opinion.

and Huu76, you're doing great work !
Nicholi Servia PHD EMP nicholiservia@hotmail.com    Monday, December 23, 2002 at 08:58:30 (PST)    [211.156.15.154]
huu76,

Your comment on HK economy is like mine about the BMW 318xi.

What are you talking about. It is because every foriegn investor is now investing in Shanghai, instead of HK, that HK economy has slumped.

For the most the CCP is left HK alone for the past 5 years.

PS - what death threats are you referring to. Is there another goldsea.com you post on?
AC Dropout    Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 13:47:21 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
SOG,

That's messed up. Jail is too good from them and also wasting my tax dollars.
A younger me would not have been so forgiving.
AC Dropout    Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 13:26:34 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Chou Tingrong,

In its current state Taiwan would vote for status quo in a referendum. What would that solve?

The tides are currently changing. The laws been pasted that ROC citizen can now directly buy real estate in China. The 3 connects are slowly moving forward.

As USA interests wane in SK, Japan, and Taiwan. It is obvious once again China will be the economic and cultural center of Asia in this new century.
AC Dropout    Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 13:23:06 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
huu76,

Interesting analogy. But then one might ask if there would be any genetic variation between the two clone spuds. Probably not.

Taking this biological analogy a step further. Organism are also effected by their environment. Notice the China spud is growing very nicely. Notice the Taiwan spud has not grown at all recently. That is because the Taiwan spud is infected by the USA virus.

As we know viruses are not really a life form, since it lacks respiration, but it is interested in replicating itself at the cost of the host organism.

Peanut...That really must be the size of your brain, wallet, and private member combined....hahaha.

I'm out of your league when it comes to disses.

No one is avoiding your statements. It is just that they are so idiotic, they just reflect the fact you are not very well informed on this topic.

If you were a gear head, it would be like make the following statement.

"The BMW 318xi was introduced in 2002 to the USA. Because of it's 5.0 liter 8 cyclinder engine and it's 40/60 front to rear weight distribution, the 318xi offers a great driving experience."

If you know anything about cars, what would you say to a fellow poster that posted a message like that.
AC Dropout    Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 13:14:10 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Maiko, AC

Its not a turf war, we are not a gang, they are a child porn ring who got Lauren into this mess by her stepfather on the day her mom died. We are just her friends. She has no other relatives. We got all the them who hurt her in jail, but it dont make it any better. I just found out they burned her fallopian tubes, severly damaged her ovaries and uterus, which in a scientific since, means no babies for her, but we are Christians and belive God will give us miracles.

This is in no way shape or form a gang war, its very clear cut they are the evil and we are good. Anyone who prays for Lauren would be greatly appreciated. She needs every ounce of help she can get.
SOG    Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 13:08:38 (PST)    [216.239.163.211]

[Maybe you could submit a Your True Stories post on Lauren, rather than having to present it piecemeal in unrelated forums. --Ed]
Here's a recent article on how China has screwed Hong Kong and how innovation is non-existant. I'm sure Taiwan wants to be just like "special Hong Kong" now. Why would China want to collect 1000s in HK rent when they can collect 100s in Shanghai. Gosh they're wonderful economists. They can't even make it up in volume since there are only so many businesses in HK.

Commies can't do capitalism. Pegging your $ with someone else's is a mistake. Before handover, 1 HK$ was worth 1 Cdn $, now 1 KHK$ is only worth 1/4 of that.

Won't be long before China bankrupts itself. Maybe they should buy some more obsolete hardware to speed up the process.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1035775818513&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724
huu76    Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 09:05:38 (PST)    [207.164.88.163]
Peanut (SOG too after you're done sending death threats),

If you cut an eye from a potato, then planted both and came back after 50 years. How many many potatos will you have? Will it be a one root, two system potato? Will the original potato try to reunite with the eye, or try to kill it off? Just an analogy to ponder.

Peanut,
Other than avoiding my statement, name a province in China that has a pledge to be protected by the United States? Can't name one. Hence they're still one. Without America's overwhelming (I know it's difficult for you to accept reality,it'll get easier with time), China would've already invaded Taiwan, probably successfully too.
huu76    Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 07:12:52 (PST)    [207.164.88.163]
Hey Peanut (a.k.a. AC),
Guess you missed Mr. Ed's note about server problems.

Good comeback though, hope you didn't spend too much time on it.

SOG,
Why don't you and AC email one another. This forum is about how America is going to mop the floor with China, not about how your gangster friend got her ass kicked. Put up some relevant fighting words or piss off.
huu76    Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 06:27:40 (PST)    [207.164.88.163]
The answer is neither. The US should back a Taiwan independence referendum movement, overseen by UN military forces and conducted throughout the island. ONLY, I repeat, ONLY the Taiwanese people have a right to decide what happens to them. Why? Because unlike China, Taiwan is a legitimate democratic nation with representatives who are directly responsible to the people.

But as it is in world affairs, Taiwan HAS to buy the weapons, has to kiss up to both Washington and Beijing in order to just continue as an isolated, disempowered island. This is the biggest "rock and a hard spot" world diplomatic history has ever seen.

The UN employs a large detachment of election overseers which have done remarkable work in the past. With US support in the UN, Taiwan could request that these troops come to oversee and legitimate its referendum on independence. Why can't the world see that this is the ONLY fair alternative??!!

-Chou Tingrong
o/>/oo/>/oo/>/oo/>/oo/>/o zhou_tingrong@yahoo.com    Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 04:34:09 (PST)    [213.39.30.138]
Japanese Maiko,

I was born in Taiwan and raised in New York City. And yourself? Your English is very good for a kogal.

"what is bubble tea??"

The Kanji is 珍 珠 奶 茶.

Sometimes call "Pearl Milk Tea." It is a drink popular in Taiwan. They have these huge black "pearls" maked of taro and corn starch. Like Tapioca. They are very chewy.

The Tea is red tea with cream and sugar.

So it is very sweet and tasty. The straws used are very large so the "pearls" can pass through.

As for China and Taiwan going to war. I don't think that is going to happen. It is just a bunch of politicians yelling at each other right now.

"or maybe I'm so hypersensitive, right?"

As for Japan participation in World War II. I don't think people are critising you as an individual. They are upset at the Japanese government.

Sound like my Japanese friends when "Pearl Harbor" the movie came out last year. Don't worry we don't hate you. You are still a good person.

One cannot forget the past. However, one should not live in the past. One should live in the present.
AC Dropout    Friday, December 20, 2002 at 11:36:09 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
SOG:

I'm sorry for asking becuase I know it's not my bussiness but may I ask what happend to your friend???
It seems to be an heroic act of her to try to deal with those people but the price apparently got too high...may I know the details? how come she got into it and why??? I feel sad for her, damn!!
Japanese Maiko    Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 22:44:16 (PST)    [218.229.233.144]
AC Dropout:

As Japanese female I find your posts very interesting and I think you are very intelligent and wise...can you tell me where are you from?

In my opinion all this issue about China going to war with Taiwan just makes me feel very depressed since I have so many friends from both countries, I know my country did bad things in the past but we are looking forward for better and everytime I read very negative posts about my beloved Japan I feel very sad and confused because I don't criticize other countries or its people...I have no reason...however I wish this site could be more constructive , what I mean is why there is so many people attacking theirselves?? or maybe I'm so hypersensitive, right? sorry

I will never forget the way my parents raised me, they taught me to love and care for everybody around me, anyone from any race and culture, without eceptions or conditions...

By the way..what is bubble tea?? can I find it in Japan? sorry for asking this.
Have a nice evening...everybody
Japanese Maiko    Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 22:38:49 (PST)    [218.229.233.144]
huu76,

"Hey, my weekend rant didn't make it!?'

That's because your a moron. As this sentence illustrates clearly.

"The thing preventing other parts of China from splitting is a pledge from history's mightiest nation to protect them."

You are clearly a hopeless case. A lost cause.

Children this is what happens when your brain is on drugs.
AC Dropout    Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 16:35:58 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
SOG,

Sounds like you guys are in a turf war entering the vendetta stage.

I guess at some point in these situation you either cut your losses or go for broke.

My experience is these matters is to choose the evil you can live with. And even if you can't live with it...It will be in the past soon enough.
AC Dropout    Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 10:47:39 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]

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