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TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE
OR UNIFICATION?

(Updated Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008, 05:54:52 PM)

he most pressing Asian foreign policy issue currently faced by the U.S. is the Taiwan question. The email we receive in reaction to our articles relating to this issue suggests that it's an emotional one for many of our readers. Perhaps one reason for the emotion is the fact that the issue isn't amenable to an easy or simple solution.
     The first historical mention of Taiwan appears to have been when Portugese traders found it to be a resting place on their journey to Japan and named it Isla Formosa. Beijing's claim to Taiwan dates back to the 16th century when a Chinese general fought off the Portugese to claim the island for the emperor. In 1895 the expansion-minded Japanese annexed it after defeating China in a war on the Corean peninsula. China briefly reestablished sovereignty over Taiwan following Japan's defeat in August of 1945.
     At the time the official government of China, as recognized by most nations of the world, was under the control of the Kuomingtang headed by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. He was engaged in a desperate war against Mao Tse-tung's peasant army. Despite billions of dollars of aid by the U.S. based mainly on intensely partisan reporting by Henry Luce's Time/Life empire, the spectacularly corrupt Chiang lost that war and fled to Taiwan with 2.5 million followers.
     He established the present government of Taiwan on December 7, 1949 and proclaimed it the sole legitimate government of all China. Mao made the same claim. The claims competed until 1971 when it became clear to most of the world that Mao's was more persuasive. Taiwan was kicked out of the UN. The Beijing government took its place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a seat given in recognition of China's role in fighting Japan in World War II.
     Mired in its own misguided war in Vietnam, and intensely fearful of anything red, the U.S. was one of the last nations to recognize the legitimacy of Mao's government. In 1972 Richard Nixon made his historic journey to Beijing. In 1976 the U.S. took the next step by recognizing the People's Republic as China's sole legitimate government. It began pursuing the "One China, One Taiwan" policy under which official diplomatic contacts were exclusively with Beijing but continued to sell billions of dollars a year of fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and missiles to Taiwan to help defend against a possible Chinese effort to refunify by force.
     In 1997 President Clinton declared a "strategic partnership" with Beijing over intense Republican objections. It was an astute recognition of the fact that China's 1.2 billion people must be accorded a central place in U.S. foreign policy. But the historic, moral and economic ties that bind the U.S. to Taiwan's 23 million people stand squarely in the way of cutting off arms sales and renouncing the pact under which the U.S. obliged itself to come to Taiwan's defense in the event of attack by China. That U.S. pledge and continuing arms sales continue to inflame Beijing to periodic bursts of violent anti-U.S. rhetoric.
     Taiwan has been a domocracy since 1989 when it legalized opposition parties. It held its first democratic presidential elections in 1990. Lee Teng-hui handily won to keep the presidency which he had originally gained in 1988. Lee won again in 1996. Since 1997 he began efforts to warm up relations with Beijing by agreeing to enter into negotiations under a "One-China" framework with an eye toward eventual reunification. Beijing's leaders continued their highly successful campaign of pressuring diplomatic partners into severing ties with Taiwan. China even raised hell when Lee made a semi-surreptitious trip to New York in 1997. Since then China has scared neighborning nations like the Philippines into not allowing Lee to enter. As of 1999 Taiwan's diplomatic allies number about 18 out of about 220 nations on earth. All are tiny, impoverished Central American, African and Pacific Island nations that appreciate Taiwan's generous aid packages. Pago Pago is considered a major ally.
     Feisty Lee Teng-hui launched his own guerilla offensive in July, 1999 by declaring over German radio that Taiwan was in fact a separate state and would negotiate with Beijing on an equal footing. That sent Beijing into a tizzy. It fired off bombastic threats to take Taiwan by force and to annhilate the U.S. Navy if it intervenes. On October 18 during his British visit Chinese President Jiang Zemin assumed a softer, more relaxed tone in telling a London newspaper that China would be peacefully reunited with Taiwan under a one-nation two-systems formula by the middle of the next century. One might have expected Lee to have been relieved by that statement. Instead, he brushed it aside as "a hoax". China should try instead to set a timetable for its democratization as that was the only way to ensure reunification, sneered Lee's Mainland Affairs Council chairman Su Chi. Most polls show that a clear majority of Taiwanese prefer to maintain the status quo indefinitely rather than moving toward unification.
     Beijing's reunification mandate appears based on the idea that in winning the mainland, the Chinese people had rejected the "criminal" Kuomingtang and its right to rule any part of China. It also sees Taiwan as a galling symbol of the division wrought and preserved by western imperialists -- namely, the U.S. -- seeking to enjoy global hegemony at the expense of Chinese dignity.
     Meanwhile the U.S. remains on the hook to defend Taiwan and sell it arms though doing so keeps its relations with a quarter of humanity rocky and on edge. Under its current policy the U.S. is the asbestos firewall that keeps friction between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait from igniting into war.
     Should the U.S. continue alienating Beijing to help Taiwan protect its independence or improve relations with China by pressuring Taiwan to reunite?

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WHAT YOU SAY

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I'm certain if I run a check on the name AC DROPOUT, I'd come up with the exact same results, You would come up with if you didn't know where to look for me. NONE. Your claims of employment are unsupported son. I have no idea what your doing for any of us besides speaking half-truths about the USA. Before I give you ANY, answers, I wanna hear some. For all I know, you run the Air Conditioning repair service I use or the Accelerated Cartooning classes at Devry or something. You make more claims than me but provide 1 quarter of the proof.
Nicholi Servia PHD EMP nicholiservia@hotmail.com    Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 09:14:02 (PST)    [211.156.4.180]
"Adolf Hitler and Shaka Zulu are some of my personal heroes."

Boy Nicholi are you a nut ball. Adolf was an idiot when it comes to military strategy. He was a genius when it came to mass propaganda and mobilizing people. Germany's early success was due to the genius of German generals, advanced warfare techniques (coordination of new air power with mobil and infantry troops for example), advanced weaponry, and the zeal of the Germans after being pushed around the the winners of WWI.

German generals kept trying to off Hitler cause he kept sending German troops into these idiotic campaigns. The "Blitzkerieg" in Russia actually lost the war for Germany because it trapped half the German army in Russia.

aiyo...no hope for you Nicholi

you are entertaining as a clown tho
another voice    Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 03:09:51 (PST)    [68.9.169.159]
"China's system is flawed and unsustainable in the long run. Its economy is capitalist, but the political institution is still dictatorship/communism. Give it another 10-20 years, and the system will collapse by itself."

People have been saying this for two decades now. And do you realize that Taiwan and South Korea followed exactly tha same path as China into success? Taiwan had only become a democracy since 1995. Before that, it was a seriously corrupt/economically flawed dictatorship, so was South Korea before that.

People have really short memories.
another voice    Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 03:02:39 (PST)    [68.9.169.159]
"The concept of the multi-ethnic nation-state of China has been around for less than 100 years."

This is not true at all for any one who knows Chinese history. There has always been a multitude of cultures that lived within the "Chinese" political/historical entity. Chinese culture itself is a hybrid. I dunno where this "China as homogenous, intolerant culture" come from, but it's a ill-informed Western notion (probably the impression is from homogenous Japan and China and Japan closing off to European influence...but these East Asian countries got along fine with Middle Eastern, SE Asian, and Indian traders for millenia).
another voice    Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 02:58:17 (PST)    [68.9.169.159]
Chou Ting Rong

I know America is interferring with Taiwan because we desperately want a base besides South Korea, that gives us first strike ability and porting power as well as early warning monitoring. What do you think about US insurgence in Taiwan. Frankly, I hope we keep the PRC from retarding Taiwa's many years of development as we are already doing. Hong Kong is a shame compared to what it was under British control. The economy slump is ridiculous there.

HUU76
Ac Dropout spends a hell of alot of time challenging (disproving) everyone's claims if hey make his sweatchop buisness look bad. I know your car does exist HUU76. This guy must be nuts or something. Can't anyone else be real to ac?
Nicholi Servia PHD EMP nicholiservia@hotmail.com    Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 18:20:56 (PST)    [211.156.13.195]
AC dropout

I haven't been exposed at all. You haven't gotten any answers you pos.
Keep talking smarty pants. That last mesage to you from JM was actually me, I figured your fraternizing was getting annoying. Anyway, I don't car what the Reps or Dems think of you Or what you think. The sad fact is, we have too many people just like you who run to the stated and then refuse to let us benefit from your (so-called) knowledge. I work for my country. Why don't you?
Traitor at home nicholiservia@hotmail.com    Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 18:13:20 (PST)    [211.156.13.195]
AC,
I'll entertain you and take your comments at face value.

What have YOU done for the United States. From your boasts, you're more interested in employing Chinese workers than Americans.

I'm curious to know how outstanding a citizen you would be perceived as if these so-called "politicians" knew how quickly you'd sellout their country. Then again, being Asian, I know how "two faced" is an Asian trait.

By the way, have you heard that the United States is in talks with Vietnam about opening a U.S. military base there? I guess Vietnam is finally realizing that the Americans (and the West, i.e. France) are better prepared to help them out than China. Good for them, I'm glad to hear relations are warming up.
huu76    Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 07:26:40 (PST)    [207.164.88.163]
The base of democracy is always the fact the the citizens can decide about theirs own fate. We have two facts here - Taiwan IS democratic. China ISNT. This is not connectable. Hence China can take Taiwan only by force or accpets that the people of Taiwan prefer not being commanded by China.

I feel sick about how all the countries play a fake face towards China and Taiwan only because the fear of China. Everybody sees Taiwan as important, more less even independent. Investments, local "trade offices" - everything is there. But all are afraid to tell the truth. Visa rules are different against China and Taiwan even..... would you handle that towards "one country"?

Anyways.... it was the ROC government being FIRSt in the UN. it was the ROC government being attending the UN FOUNDATION. It is the ROC government being democratic and it is the ROC government which wishes peace, not force.
Why cant Taiwan do the same as other countries? East and West Germany had seperated seats in the UN, the same for both Koreas, the Slovak Republic could simply say "we wanna be independent" and so they became independent on the Czech Rep. in 1993. Nobody objected.

Taiwan has an freedom index of 1,5 which is comparable or even better than most of the western countries as USA, Germany, France, etc..... but not being free yet? In fact the only country without official status?

Shame on those who think that Taiwan should be reunited with China. If its not the people of Taiwan who agree with this... it is not right.
Jan F. jfrater@centrum.cz    Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 07:11:21 (PST)    [62.177.91.15]
huu76,

"Go back many, many posts and you'll find out what Peanut is referencing"

Your Ego, brain, and integrity added together. I give up....as if goldsea keeps record that long or is searchable.

hint hint...next version of goldsea should have a search feature. How about ranking user ids like ebay for trustworthiness by fellow posters?
AC Dropout    Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 14:01:40 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]

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huu76,

Just like the specifics you talk about in China, Taiwan, and most of USA foreign policy don't exist either. Or are extremely ignorant misinterprations.

Like this statement

"All of Taiwan is thriving."

Where is Taiwan thriving? I just came back from there. They are at a stand still and going slight backwards in terms of economy and politics.

"China's tater isn't very self sufficient."

In what sense? We in the USA are totally dependent on China ability to meet our comsumer needs. It's called globalization.

Your other comments are complete gibberish.

It would be me like countering your claim to my fanciful 318xi as.....Sure BMW has had 318 and cars with the "x" and "i" designation. It does exist. And yes German make great V8 engines.

But since we both know something about BMW and their cars. We know these comments are gibberish.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said of you and your knowledge of China or Asia for that matter.

Unification movement has been in Taiwan ever since it was established. China population is still growing in light of the One Child policy. Most Western Countries will not let single child bearing age Chinese women into their country for permenant residents.

The list of things which are common knowledge to asian which you are completely ignorant of....makes me question your ethniticity, or at the very least your intelligence, everytime we have a conversation.
AC Dropout    Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 13:48:41 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Japanese Maiko,

Oh you're right 211.156.15 is Nick's network. Geez Nick is trying to be a Japanese girl.

Running around internet bars in Shanghai must be pretty tiring for him.

He loses himself in his own fantasy.

Just ignore him.

Gaijin hontoni kowaii
AC Dropout    Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 13:32:58 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Nicholi Servia PHD EMP,

What have you done for this country?

I have employed people and kept the local economy running. I am recognized by both the Democratic and Republican party as an outstanding citizen and business owner. Not to mention I have had my picture taken with political leaders in this country while attending various dinners and functions.

So I ask again what significant contribution have you made to the USA. You lied about your job, your education, and even your location. Just what the USA need another liar, you planning to become a CEO of a public company in the future? With all this lying you're a shoe in.
AC Dropout    Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:16:43 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
AC dropout:

Thank you very much for letting me know about the tea. I will try it as soon as I can.
New York is a very interesting place I think. Where are you now? may I ask your email address?
Thank You very kindly.
Japanese Maiko

This message above is not mine, I didn't write such thing and for my concern I just needed to notice the IP address below it which is: [211.156.15.232]

AC Dropout
Sorry for this crap made by someone who only wants to screw around this forum....may the hell be with him or her....for his or her own good!!!!
Japanese Maiko    Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 00:34:01 (PST)    [218.229.233.144]
AC,
Your car doesn't exist, as do the specs you named off. What's BMW have anything to do with this?

Is there any genetic variation between European countries?

Shanghai is one part of China. It looks as though Hong Kong has to die in order for Shanghai to thrive. All of Taiwan is thriving. I'd say my Taiwanese potato is better off. China's tater isn't very self sufficient.
By the way, China is planning on selling a car with a Karaoki machine. What's wrong with a regular CD player? Great thinking.

About economics.
When China's pop'n plummets in about 20 years (lack of females for reproducing since they go overseas and aren't preferred in China's magnificent one child policy), what market will they have to offer then?

Go back many, many posts and you'll find out what Peanut is referencing.

The only reason why young people lean towards unification is because they're naive in thinking China will let them have it as good as they have now, and hating all things American is the latest trend.
huu76    Monday, December 23, 2002 at 21:49:01 (PST)    [65.95.201.46]
Japanese Maiko,

I'm currently in California right now on business. I should be leaving here sometime after the new year.

I am currently very busy, so it is pretty much impossible to get me via email. Because I had my techicians set up my server to ignore all emails except a select few I have on a list.
AC Dropout    Monday, December 23, 2002 at 13:02:05 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]
Nicholi Servia PHD EMP,

Your one sided view of America having the best interest of Taiwan and South Korea is sickening at best.

The only people who have the best interest of Taiwan and China, and any other Asian nation are those speicific asian government. That is why other countries have their own governments. That's why SK has elected a anti-USA President.

So you will have to live with the fact that over 2/3 of the Taiwan population have no interest in independence.

You will also have to live with the fact China is very interested in unifying with Taiwan.

You will also have to live with the fact the China is fast becoming the center of asia agian.

And the saddest fact of all you have to live with is that you are a loser working at McD's. You have been exposed over and over and over again.
AC Dropout    Monday, December 23, 2002 at 10:02:51 (PST)    [24.136.115.189]

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