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CHINESE FEMALE/ VIETNAMESE MALE RELATIONSHIPS
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I heard about these funny toes when I was in a history class in Vietnam. Back then Vietnam was called Giao Chi, a county of China under Eastern Han. My history teacher asked his students to take off shoes and observe their toes. Nobody have funny toes. He concluded that we are mixed with the Chinese.
Anyway, I have to take off my shoes and carefully examine my toes again to see any unusual ones. I do not see any :(
Haiwain-Chinese Girl,
Next time I head to the beach in Hawaii, I will make sure my toes covered because I know somebody Chinese will go after me and watch my toes :)
A Viet guy
Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 08:20:43 (PDT)
Yes, it's true that Chinese and Vietnamese are 2 distinct groups. But, to say that they did not intermarry is false.
I am a Cantonese, Toisanese and in my family I got relatives who look both Viet and northwestern Chinese facial features. As much as we try to deny our Yueh roots, it is there. We cannot erase it off. Even genetic studies indicate it.
The southern Chinese (Cantonese, Toisan, Hakka, Fukien, Yunnanese) all have varying degrees of Yueh(Viet)/Thai/Miao admixture.
When the Turkic and Mongol peoples were threatening "Chungyuan" (our term for historical and classical northern China plains), many of the aristocratic clans and nobility fled south with their extended families, soldiers, artisans, cooks, etc.
This happened on more than one occasion, usually after the fall of a dynasty (Han, Tang, Song, Ming).
The Han Chinese from northwest China were still usually outnumbered by the local Yueh (Viet) people in southern China. But, their identity, history and language replaced the more larger local Yueh ones because Chinese military, technology and culture was not only more powerful and superior to that of the local Yueh tribes, but it often established its legitimacy as a unifying factor. Much like what the Spanish did in the Latin Americas with the indigenous Indians and what the Turks did to the local Indo-Europeans in modern Anatolia. The "hundred Yueh tribes" often warred against each other as well as against the Han Chinese. The Han Chinese did not outnumber, genocide or push them down to Vietnam as once assumed. Genetic studies even indicate that much of the southern Han Chinese is still much related to the Yueh than to the people of Chungyuan (northern China plains).
Many of the Han Chinese who moved south to resettle often did not bring women or children. Many had died along the treacherous journey and due to tropical disease (such as malaria). Only the tough survived. So, they had no choice but to be married with native Yueh women. Not only did they had to, but in Tang Dynasty poems, southern women are often mentioned and praised for beauty. They are more soft and delicate.
In my ancestral Canton province, it is said that all the Viet (Yueh) people were slaughtered by a Tang general/rebel Wong Chao. In the history, it mentions Wong Chao as killing 100,000 Yueh, Arabs and Persians in the city of Guangzhou alone in the years prior to the fall of the Tang Dynasty. Only later around the middle of the Song Dynasty, did the population started to pick up again. But, it can be reasonable to assume that the Han Chinese who resettled there often had no choice but to marry the Viet (Yueh), Arab and Persian women who were orphaned or widowed after that war. Otherwise, how do we explain the high incidence of Thalassemia (a Middle Eastern disease) among the inhabitants of Guangdong?
Han and Viet did mix, as much as we (esp. us southern Han Chinese) like to erase and deny it. It is in our genes and we can't deny it. Much as like most Mexicans cannot deny their Aztec, Maya and Olmec genes. You see it in them, and it would be ridiculous for them to say that they are all Spaniard originated when it is obviously not.
Often it is the Han men from the north coming to resettle in the south marrying local Viet women and then later absorbing the rest of the pacified Yueh (Viet) tribes who chose to remain and be part of the Chinese nation and culture. Only those who rejected this fled to Vietnam jungles. Nobody was really totally killed off or genocided, as our genes indicate that a large scale absorption and intermarriage took place.
We have Han genes through the paternal side (15-20%) and yet we cannot deny our more dominant and numerous Yueh genes whom we got also.
Southern Chinese=Han Chinese father+Viet mother
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 22:29:42 (PDT)
Bao Dai came into power in 1926 so i think the statistic were made in the 1930s or 1940s.
there are so many hypothesis about vietnamese origins. i heard they are originally came from Fujian chinese. some says they are mixed w/ chinese and indonesian.
btw, the ancient vietnamese language is mixed w/ mon-khmer element which suggests the number of viets mixed w/ khmer probably is more than we may think.
Jay
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 19:07:27 (PDT)
I am vietnamese, and it's kind of true that we do have lighter and brighter skin. But what i notice is that we also get tanned alot easier too. I looked at some pictures from kindergarden, and i was the lightest kid there, even compared to most of the white kids except for one (that kid was a ghost!). And now i'm still considered light but not white anymore (yes i got a tan, the beach is nice, is there a problem?). At first i thought i was the weirdest vietnamese person because i see every vietnamese person around me with a more yellow and dark skin. But last year when i went to vietnam i did see alot of light skinned vietnamese in saigon, though they were tied in numbers with the darker ones it seemed. Then i went to the south east then i saw a majority of lighter and brighter asians, then central and north, i see alot of lighter and brighter asians. Although my skin does tan easy it also does turn back light easy too, i wait for a week and it's back to how it was. All i've got to say is, finally i can confirm this that i am not weird. So from my travels i can confirm that the vietnamese in the southeast, central, and northern part of vietnam all of lighter and brighter skin. They are the lightest and brightest i've seen. I also when to Hong Kong with a good friend of mine, and to Beijing because my friends grandma lives there. I went to laos, combodia, thailand for a week or two each. This all took me like 2 summers i think. I am light and bright, but i am not different, because there are a lot of light and bright vietnamese, probably the majority of vietnam are light and bright. I am happy that i am not different now, but i kind of liking being different but oh well.
Vietnamese Boy With Travel Experience
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 13:49:28 (PDT)
i've been to Vietnam and the fact is i've never seen anyone there with feet as described. some look like they are mixed with malay or indian though.
i've been to Vietnam
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 07:51:45 (PDT)
referring to Viet toes, i heard there are 2 types of feet, one has the big toe spread apart, and the other with this toe curled inside. as for this statistics, it may still be accurate to this day, since enmperor Bao Dai came to the throne in 1926, thus the statistics took place about only 60 or 70 years ago.
Dragon
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 05:26:21 (PDT)
Chinese,vietnamese, korean , what's the difference? We all originated from the same place.The only differences I see in each group is the differences in culture and traditions and as far as facial features we pretty much look alike.
asian persuassion
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 15:15:34 (PDT)
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