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K,

Here're some links and books on Chinese surname:

http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/ucboey2a.htm

http://www.chinavista.com/culture/letters/surnames.html

http://www.chineseroots.com/english/main.jsp

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3919/s001.html
The TraveLLer Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 11:00:31 (PDT)

Traveller,

You mention that your last name is Chinese but you don’t tell what it is. You also mention in your previous post that most Vietnamese carry Chinese last name. In my previous post, I talked to a Chinese man in his 50s, native of Shanghai. According to him, there are many Chinese people in China carry surname Nguyen. He even wrote down the word Nguyen in Chinese character and handed to me. Any Chinese on this board please clarify this?

My PC does not support Chinese character to show it to you. If you can type the word Nguyen in Chinese, I will tell what it is.

Do you think Nguyen is Chinese or Vietnamese last name?

Do you consider yourself Chinese or Vietnamese?

I talked to a Chinese Malaysian who has a Vietnamese wife whose last name Tran. He said that Chinese in Vietnam “were forced” to change their last names to Vietnamese last name. He said his wife should have last named Chen. I asked him could his wife speak Chinese. He said NO. I asked him Is she Vietnamese or Chinese Vietnamese? He said she is pure Vietnamese. I told him go ahead and change your wife last name to Chen if you and your wife want to. In the U.S you can change your name the way you want as long as you register it, U.S law has no problem with that. Later, he told me that his wife loves the last name Tran. She does not want to change.

That is contradictory to what I know from one of my Chinese Vietnamese friends who happen to have last name Tran. He explained to me that Tran could be Chinese or Vietnamese. Tran is Vietnamese spelling with Roma alphabet but when it is converted to Chinese character, it is the same as Chen in Chinese. He said Vietnam did not force his father who came from China, to carry that last name Tran. That is his father’s choice since Vietnam began to have the Roma alphabet language system in the late 19th century. At that time, China did not have a standard format system to convert Chinese character to Roma alphabet.

I have a Vietnamese friend that has last named Tang that is very much Chinese last name to me. He told me that his grand father came from China, but he considers himself Vietnamese since he does not know Chinese language.

I know a true story of a Chinese Vietnamese guy. He came to the U.S quite a long time ago. He sponsors his father coming from Cholon, Chinatown of Saigon. What happen is he somehow changed his first name to TONY and surname to SMITH. Sounds very much American huh? His Dad came over and found out his son name changed. You guess what? The Chinese father was so upset and decided to get a one way airplane ticket back to Vietnam. He has never come back to the U.S since.

Like I said in my previous post, many Vietnamese have Chinese ancestry. No Vietnamese deny this. But you are the only person I see so far want to be a Chinese. Unlike you, I consider myself Vietnamese since I was born in Vietnam and I don’t know Chinese language although I know I might have Chinese ancestry in my bloodline.

Be Happy.

An Nam Guy Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 09:37:08 (PDT)

WOW. This petty argument on the history of the vietnamese people is quite pathetic. Before saying anything, I'd like to point out that in no way am I saying I'm an expert at this subject. But I'd like to make a small comment on the Vietnamese names being Chinese in origin. The fact that those Vietnamese names are able to be written in Chinese doesn't mean that these people have a blatant ancestry linked to the Han chinese. All Korean names are essentially Chinese, however, i don't see anyone claiming Koreans to be descended from the Chinese.
Bystander Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 02:01:23 (PDT)

ka,

Please refer to this site on Taoism:

http://www.edepot.com/taointro.html

rare stuff,

You said:

>>>Taoism is not suitable for normal men. It requires too much unnatural passivity, approximately as much passivity as a woman "needs" waiting for the birth of her child. Sooner or later men's "yang" will go mad and run amok.<<<

It is not passivity. We call it peaceful harmony and patience. Taoism is not passive. It is, along with Buddhist Shaolin, one of the major contributors to Chinese kungfu and wushu. Many of Chinese martial art philosophy has come from Daoism and Wudang. Please check out this site:

http://www.geocities.com/yongnian/wudang.html

>>>Taoism made the Southern Chinese peoples passive and unorganized.Thus they are now Sinicized--because the Confucian Han culture has proved its own superiority.<<<

This is a grand insult to Chinese history and culture. We all know that Taoism has a great influence on all of Chinese history, culture and even the modern Han Chinese psyche (whether north or south).

It is true that southern Chinese have held on to the traditions of Han and Tang Dynasties more so than the northern brethren. But, let us look at Tang Dynasty for example. This was the only Chinese dynasty that promoted Taoism as the state religion. The founder of the Tang (Li Yuan) had claimed descent from the infamous Han Dynasty general (Li Guangli). Li Guangli, in turn claimed descent from Li Er (Laotzu, the founder of Tao). Many Tang temples were built in honor of Laotzu, whom Tang emperors claimed as a forefather.

Laotzu was born in Henan during Warring States period and worked for the state of Chu. He had taught and influenced Sun Tzu (the military strategist). Laotzu met Confucius twice and was said to have influenced him as well. Later, Laotzu retired to the state of Qin (in northwest China) on a water buffalo.

The Tang Dynasty had ruled on the laws and basis of Tao. Look and see why this period in China was its most glorious and powerful?

Southern Chinese are today's most progressive and reform minded Chinese. They were not passive as you say. During World War II, it was these Taoist rice-eating southern Han Chinese who resisted the Japanese with more results. It was the Taoist south who clamored for change, when northerners kowtowed to Manchu emperors. The Ming revolt, the Taiping Rebellion, Kuomintang (KMT) northward march against warlords were all examples of southerners (with a Tang/Taoist mentality) beating the north.

Check out:

http://www.eng.taoism.org.hk/general-daoism/development-of-daoism/pg1-2-4-1.asp
The way of Tao Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 00:27:58 (PDT)

To, k;

Is it possible, that the last names shared commonly between the southern chinese and vietnamese were handed down by the common ancestor we called the Yueh (or viet in vietnamese)? It makes sense. Hmmm, you do make sense in the way that the names AREN'T chinese originated but is shared amongst us due to a common ancestor BEFORE the chinese existed, thus originated before that. For example, the Yueh or Han or other sort...

And the Yueh were the main users of the dragon... That means that both the vietnamese and chinese have an equal call to the dragon. Not an attribute to the chinese, but to the Yueh the ancestors of the vietnamese and also to some southern chinese.

Some of the viet debators brought that up, but it was passed without a second thought, bringing it back up is good. I've been reading these boards for a while, and it get's more informing ALL THE TIME...

To, the traveller;

Way, back off. Didn't want to piss you off, just trying to make some conversation. If you don't want to continue on our conversation then fine...
Looking Away Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 00:26:01 (PDT)

The Traveller:

You posted:"How can the Dong Son people speak when they cannot write or read? "
LOL!!!
LOL Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 00:12:28 (PDT)

Hafti:

Actuallly Kinh accounts for 85 % of Vietnamese.
Kinh 85 % Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:59:31 (PDT)

To, k;

Don't chase the traveller off yet. I found a WHOLE bunch of stuff against him, and i think i have more, i want to see what he can say about all his 'facts' which are fictional. HAHAHA, it's kind of funny though, that he managed to chase off so many people. Let's hope some of them actually come back after their vacation...
Hafti Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:37:56 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

The following is your saying on the website 'http://www.yutopian.com/names/06/6Ruan179.html'

Your post on Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 15:31:42 (PDT) (It's not directed at me but to keep truth flourishing i'll give my word):

">>>"Many Vietnamese with this surname claim their ancestor to be a man called Ruan Cho, who was a governor of ChiaoChih (North Vietnam) during the Chen Dynasty (~600 A.D.). (Ruan means a musical instrument)"<<<

During 600 A.D., the northern part of Vietnam was still under the Han, not the "Chen/Tran" dynasty. This website is off scale. The Tran (Chen in Taiwanese/Zhen in Pinyin/Chan in Cantonese)ruled Annam during 1400 A.D. This website doesn't hold any merit point. This person could have made a mistake in thinking the "Nguyen" with accent from the "Nguyen" without accent. In Chinese writing charater, the both are written differently.

My question is still, what happened to the Nguyen last name before 940 A.D.?"

My source to smash your post would be:
http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/china/china.htm

The Chen dynasty did rule vietnam at around 600 A.D. (~ means around just to let you know).

Chen Dynasty - AD 557 to 582

The site you say that is off scale is actually correct. Your just spreading LIES once again, and that is PATHETIC. If i could i would call those who left back, because obviously your just a kid that doesn't know history.

Here are all the Han dynasties all of which proves that your knowledge is OFF scale.

Western Han Dynasty - 206 BC to AD 25
Eastern Han Dynasty - AD 25 to 221
Minor Han Dynasty - AD 221 to 265

That just concludes that your a lier and a cheat. Your lie and cheat to prove falseness. And you say that you strive to gain the knowledge of 'true' history, when in fact you don't have knowledge of any history at all nevertheless true history. First you attach a post by you which is realized to be an editorial and a disgrace, which you try to put it on to anothers shoulders, but it was actually you. Then you lie about this, and actually give out false information. If your entire life you have been reading about false history in china about china, what makes you think that the information you learnt in china about vietnam wasn't also distorted and wrong? Obviously you read the editorials of peasants who knew nothing at all. Oh dont forget how you didn't even read peoples post before you reply saying that they're stupid and ignorant. But infact all that person said was that some of his muong friends are dark but that the picture was filled with lighter muong. Lol, your writing is only editorials of a child who wants to be chinese, and would lie and cheat to get at it.

You say your a doctor, but how did you become a doctor with such lowly knowledge? With such biased opinion, and with such ignorance? I don't know but let's hope your patients won't die because of your ignorance when at the hospital.

LOL, now i know why G.V., Yup, An Nam Guy (maybe he left) and soon Viet Flava left because of your ignorance. BUT i'm going to stay to reply to every post you make, and so far you seem to be not so intelligent at all, contrary to your claim. You don't even hold common knowledge, nevertheless true knowledge. You and your Le, Trinh, and Nguyen are all part of the chinese royal bloodline and kin. When infact it's another editorial by you, which you have no proof of. It's not written, and historical proof sets that the Le HATED the chinese to the fullest. Le Loi was a rebel and you know that.

And to let you know, the chinese only set foot into vietnam when one of the Le asked them to, they didn't set foot into vietnam earlier because the Le didn't see any threat with the Nguyen and Trinh rivalry, both of which didn't try to get the thrown, but only tried to get the upperhand over one another. So the chinese didn't move in because the Tay Son weren't of their kin, but only because the emperor asked for foreign help. COMMON KNOWLEDGE that every viet (not mentioning a half viet) should know.

Here's a site to let you learn more about the Tay Son.

http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/ealc/faculty/dutton/TSHome.html

Let's hope your read it, because it was actually proposed by another poster earlier on.

Lol, i was just wasting my breathe talking to you, it's not even worthit anymore, knowing that you actually have no knowledge to share...
Hafti Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:34:31 (PDT)

Not surprising:

Blood type O seem to be the most common bloodtype everywhere, in America, China, Europe. not just in Philippines and indochina.
k Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:32:10 (PDT)

Viet Flava,

You poised a very good question on this sentence, " Only a class of generals moved down to rule VN, and some loyalist. Normally, hardly a northen chinese move down, the weather is one reason. despite from that, why would they have to move down there to live w/ the savages. A lot moved south but only stop as far as southern chinese provinces."

Actually for many reasons, here are some factors or explanations:

1. After a fall of an empire, most of the old loyalist fled to the South, since the east coast of China ends with a large body of water. The north is to cold; further, most new invasions started from North to South. For example, the loyalists of the Tang Dynasty settled in northern province of Vietnam and the Ming Dynasty settled to the Southern part of Vietnam after they lost their empire.

2. Some criminals might have fled to Vietnam for shelter. Since Vietnam is far away from the central government of China, but it has a closer tradition and culture to China than the other places. Of course, they didn't have aiplane in the past, or else they'll be in the US or Europe in a jiffy. J/k

3. Businessman and merchant, since new territory provides new opportunity. Further, the Red Delta River is the central place where the Indo and East merchant met to do business. It was one of the most prosperous areas in the Southeast Asia.

4. The living condition in China was harder for the peasant to live, since China had more people at the time, and competition usually led to migration for survival. When comparing the living standard between Vietnam and China, many Chinese in Vietnam stated that Vietnam had an easier way of life.

These are some scenarios, but there is every kind of reason. Just look at the US, for example, the weather is colder than Vietnam, many Vietnamese have language barrier upon arrival, but why do many Vietnamese in Vietnam want to migrate to the US? Weather is a very weak arguement brought by the Vietnamese debators. As I had mentioned, if the Ming loyalists can live in the Southern part of Vietnam, which it's more hostile in environment than the northern part of Vietnam, they (the Chinese from the North) can live anywhere in Vietnam. Human adaptation is beyond limit when it comes to survival.

It's so funny, as I recall, the British empire claimed that the Sun never sets on its territory. The Chinese, on the other hand, claimed that the Sun never sets on its people. LOL ;)
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:19:25 (PDT)

To, Viet Flava;

You know that book you said. Where can i find a copy? I'm kind of interested to see the evidence myself, it sounds like an interesting read...

"Legend of the truth: Dragon-Fairy Origin by" by Vo Trong Thai...
Hafti Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:09:58 (PDT)

I have some inquiries: Why is it that most female korean celebrties in korea don't look very native? I know that the typical korean person has a very small, slanty eyes and button nose but why is it that most of their celebrities have big ROUND eyes and tall, bony nose and somehow they look mixed with caucasian blood? any thoughts?
Wondering Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:05:32 (PDT)

"Ainus at one time lived in all 4 of the Japanese islands. The Russians are not native to Sakhalin. Those lands belonged to Manchu-Tunguz peoples. Russians came later (in 19th cent. AD)."

Do you have any proof (source, website...)??

The Russians come later which mean they have inhabited in Kamchatka, Sakhalin, they they migrated to North Japan.

And they've lived in Kamchatka, Small and big Kuril Island chains which are the sameas Sakhalin?????
k Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 23:04:41 (PDT)

World Cup Korea/Japan

Most likely, the Chinese students were upset about their upstart little brother, the Koreans, doing too well in the World Cup. The Chinese don’t hate Koreans. They are just very embarrassed by their poor performance, and the Koreans’ success just made the matter even worse. The only redemption China received was the excellent result Brazil and Turkey of Group C got in the World Cup. Likewise, some Americans were very offended when Korean-Americans rallied for the Red Devils while the U.S. team was out of the running. The Korean players didn’t help the situation at all by doing skating motions on the football field; one might even develop the impression that the U.S. is South Korea’s worst enemy. Most offended of all was Italy, one of the football heavyweights, who is walking around with a huge chip on its shoulder. It has been commented that international competition like the World Cup, Olympics, etc. only foster nationalism and antagonism; too bad this comment is all too true. The Koreans now have three more enemies in the world!
J. Lee Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 22:20:54 (PDT)

To, TSJ;

"5. Viets love Chinese music and movies, and even those HKTVB serial dramas. They watch it as religiously as HK people do."

Oh and HK is considered the Hollywood of asia. It's just like Canada, UK, and France watching Hollywood movies with exhileration. Doesn't mean they came from the same people (even if they are) it means that the USA has a powerful media center, which in many ways can influence culture (by spreading what's in and out in fashion, showing how people 'should' act etc...).
Hafti Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 20:21:35 (PDT)

i am chinese but overall chinese all over the world dont really want or like to be associated with Vietnamese or other Indo-chinese for that matter. so please telling everyone how much heritage we are sharing and all these bulls.
chinesis man Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 20:14:37 (PDT)

the real truth:

Where did you get the facts the Ainus now classify themselved as Australoid??
I readed the 2 links and couldn't find that part. The modern Ainus classify themselves as Mongoloid. As for The ancient Ainus, i never heard nor read they classify themselves as Australoid.
k Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 19:41:20 (PDT)

To TSJ,

I am a Vietnamese American. I agree 100% with your observations. My father is full Vietnamese. He worships Kwan Gung (Quan Co^ng in Vietnamese). My Mom is only a quarter of Chinese (her grandfather came from Canton, China). She worships Quan A^m (Female Buddhist). She loves Hong Kong, Taiwan Movies -dozens of episodes- so do my sisters. These nonstop movies are in Vietnamese version translation. My Mom told me she cried like a child when she heard of the sudden death of Bruce Lee in Hong Kong back in the 70s when she was in Saigon, South Vietnam!

I have to buy 2 more extra VCRs (Clearance Sale at Fry's Electronics) just in case the VCR at home is smoked up. Since the last several years, my Mom and my sisters have killed 5 VCRs because of these Chinese movies!

In weekends, my sisters love to hang out in Chinatown in Los Angeles for shopping (mainly clothes from Hong Kong). My oldest sister room is decorated with many Hong Kong movie stars posters! I don't know why?

Do you remember Mulan cartoon movie? Needless to say, my sisters have this tape from the first release. This classic Chinese story was known in Vietnam as Hoa Mo^.c Lan. I also know the story of Monkey King (Te^` Thie^n in Vietnamese) when I was a little boy in Vietnam.

I have tried without success convincing my sisters not to be too addicted to Chinese but it doesn't work. There is NCM (No Cure Medicine) for this matter.
NCM means “he^'t thuo^'c chu*~a” in Vietnamese.
Best Regards, Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 19:21:17 (PDT)

the real truth:

"Actually, Ainu are not Caucasoid but an Austronesian/Australoid people. Ainu now classify themselves as Australoid, who are also a hairy people. http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~dploy/stateless/ainu.html The Ainu language itself is the strongest evidence of their Austronesian origin. http://www.dai3gen.net/epage10a.htm http://www.dai3gen.net/epage13.htm
While it is the great desire of the White Race and the Japanese people to sustain such a claim, there is simply no evidence, genetic, linguistic or otherwise, that the Caucasoid race reached Japan in prehistoric times"

You provided again the same TWO links you did 2-3 days ago. When did it said they are AUstronesian?

As i've pointed out,homepages.ihug.com.au/~dploy/stateless says ainus are australoids but it has no evidence or explaination.

Do you have any pic of an inbr4d ainu that indicates Austronesian characteristics???
k Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 18:35:10 (PDT)

TSJ:

Wong = Vuong, not Huynh. Both Huynh and Vuong are uncommon names of Viets.
A viet Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 18:25:56 (PDT)

K,

If you want to be rude, I'll return that same favor. So let's start civilize if you want to have a discussion.

You posted, ""Common Vietnamese surnames that are Chinese Origin:

1. Ly 2. Tran 3. Ngo 4. Vu or Vo 5. Truong 6. Trinh 7. Tong 8. Ha 9. Hoang/Huynh 10. Vuong 11. Duong 12. Quach 13. Luu 14. Lu 15. Luong 16. Ta 17. Hong 18. Ho 19. Dinh 20. Dang 21. and several others.
"

The TraveLLer, do you have any source or link?

Those are some of the most common vietnamese namese to my knowledge. The surname, Ly Tran, Ngo (Ly, Chen , WU ), Luu, Ho, Dinh, Dang, Trinh, Hoang...are kinda rare among northern chinese, yet common among southern chinese. I guess it indicates a common root or something like that, not necessarily they have chinese origin. There's a POSSIBILITY Tong, Quach, Ta might be chinese."

here's a link: http://zhongwen.com/xingshi.htm

You have to know how to read Chinese and translate it to Han-Viet. Some of these surnames ruled northern China before the independent of Dai Viet in 940 A.D.
For example:
The Ly/Lee/Li surname reigned China during the Tang dynasty (618-907 AD). "Tran" is a common Chinese surname (Chen, Chan, Zhen), it's also one of the first surname. "Dang" is very familiar with the Chinese (does this ring a Bell = Deng Xiao Ping?). "Trinh" (Cheng, Chang, or Zheng) is commonly found in Jiang Su province, Beijing and some northern provinces of China also. "Vuong" is know as Wang or Wong. Duong is "Yang" or "Yeung". "Dinh" is "Ding". "Vo/Vu" is "Wu", you guys know the empress "Wu Zetian or Vo Tac Tien(625-705 AD)", well she ruled China in XiAn city. The Ngo surname is the "WU", during the three kingdoms period the "Wu" dynasty lasted (222 AD - 280 AD). Hoang/Huynh is "Huang or Hwang". Luu is "Liu/Lau", the surname of the Han dynasty.

The rest you can check on your own.
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 18:16:57 (PDT)

" It is UNDENIABLE that we all once came from a similar ancestor, BUT this ancestor was not the chinese. It was a small tribe that broke up later on, and from that breaking up that created the many nations of people we know today. The vietnamese and chinese probably came from the same ancestors, but the creation of it`s civilization has been independent, BUT the cultural influence is also undeniable. From that you cannot say that the vietnamese are chinese or even vice verca, but that we are equal. Your just trying to say that the vietnamese are chinese, that`s a disgrace speaking, not a historian, but a biased individual."

Still scratching my head... Thanks for the laugh...
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 17:32:47 (PDT)

Hafti: (AKA other pseudonyms)

Your wrong source, of course, "Lol, from what your writing your actually being racist. Your denying that the modern viets are from the Dong Son despite OBVIOUS evidence just because you want to be related to the chinese. You think that the chinese are more 'civilized' and want to be like them. Lol, your just one of those people who want to be chinese and would go to great lengths to lie and cheat just to make it seem that you are chinese. "

Every Vietnamese knows that the real "Viet" AKA "YUEH" comes from the Yangtze river, the Dong Son population could be a "Yueh"...not sure yet, this is sill in debate.

Read this >>>>AN DUONG VUONG, about whom also not much is known, politically united them into the kingdom of AU LAC. It is not clear whether the AU LAC people were partly descendants of VAN LANG or whether they were the Viets, "real" ancestors of the Vietnamese people, migrated from their habitat in Lower Yangtse around 300 BC under pressure from Han Chinese southward into Tonkin delta.<<<< http://www.viettouch.com/hist/

You can post whatever you want, even if Santa Claus were real. I'll ignore your post until you act mature and be logic.

BTW, since one of you brought up, if all the Children were castrated in Vietnam by the Chinese, how do they produce offspring?

After 1000 years of Chinese nominated the region, guess what could happen?
There is no single factor here....
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 17:30:31 (PDT)

Viet Flava:

You posted, "Hah, it only reinforces my earlier points. The Dong Son couldn't perished because they and the yuehs are the same. Their bone structure, type of feet are identical arcording to archelogical evidences."

Don't get me wrong here, there's still a debate whether the Dong Son people are the "yueh".

You stated, "The southern chinese and the Vietnamese have the Yueh roots. get it?"

Did I argue that the true Vietnamese derived from the "Yueh"? I seem to argue with GV(or his other pseudonyms) that the Dong Son may be perished/decreased in size due to when the "Yueh" from the Yangtze river migrated to the Red Delta River after the Han conquered their territory. There're ample evidences that the "Yueh" population from the Yangtze river" surpass the Dong Son population after they migrated there. Yet, GV (or his other pseudonyms) stated that the "Yueh" were probably decreased in size once they migrated to the south.

Why don't you asked that question to GV(or his other pseudonyms), he seemed to think that the "Yueh" were decrease in size?

Here's what he(GV)posted, "It is said that the Yueh moved south, but they WERE openly killed in several occations of which at many times making them an even smaller minority group. But the Dong Son reigned on and on, traditions and such were carried on. Stories were mixed with some Yueh ones but, most of the viet stories today can be proven by the evidence in escavated sites in vietnam today."

Remember, in my first post, I stated there were no such thing as a real Vietnamese, and that the real Viet are the "Yueh" with Giao Chi feet. On the other hand, GV stated that he had different type of feet from the Giao Chi and claimed that his feet was nearly like the Dong Son people. From there he claimed that the Dong Son people are the real Vietnamese. In reality, there's still a debate whether the Dong Son are the "Yueh", as I noted on my previous post that was directed to you. Check out for yourself...

Please go back and read all my posts, would you? Man, what's wrong with these people.
The TraveLLer Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 17:13:33 (PDT)

To,

"What TraveLLer says about modern Viets being descendants of Chinese sounds realistic."

Not descendents but brothers. Because it is clear that SOME of our ancestors are the same (as most of us are a mix), but to the essence at those times the separation between us (chinese, vietnamese etc...) did not exist. Thus we are not chinese, or you are not vietnamese. But instead, Han, Yueh or whatever, because each created a civilization of their own, and who is there to decide which ethnic belongs to which nation? A nation having a majority can't really claim, because even if another has a minority, other factors might jump in.
Hafti Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 15:44:22 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Can you outline the things that are "off" with viettouch. And please don't go to the legends section and say that we believe that to be true thus vietnamese scholars are weird. Becuase it clearly states as a header for legends as legends, not facts. So keep that in mind. I don't know what you can say that makes the information any bit 'off'.
Hafti Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 15:39:08 (PDT)

To, TSJ;

Hmmm, the FIRST sensible argument from someone SINCE! I'm just glad you know that there's someone intelligent. BUT all of those 'customs' were brought into the vietnamese custom by the thousand years of chinese rule. Those are cultural influences the vietnamese got from the chinese over the years. That has NEVER been denied, the cultural influences have NEVER been denied, but it's the civilization (the people) origin debate is what is going on in most scientific debates on the modern vietnamese.

Of course through blood the vietnamese and chinese are probably related to a bit, BUT that doesn't mean that the chinese are superior, or that the vietnamese is a branch of the chinese tree. Because as a fact the chinese AND vietnamese are BOTH branches of a common ancestor which is believed to have broken up and spread throughout asia. The name chinese is a name the people of china named themselves, the vietnamese called themselves viet. When you name yourself, how does that make it our name? We have our identity, and that's what is not seen by so many scientists.

I love Hong Kong movies, but i kind of notice that they're not as great as they used to be. Maybe because some of the better directers went to hollywood or something.

Let's count to see how many people left because of the stupidity of the traveller, or atleast his ifnorance...

Viet Flava, Yup, G.V., An Nam Guy (i think, he just disappeared).
Hafti Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 15:34:19 (PDT)

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