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http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/dravidians.html

{Also. the symbols on Heger type drums from Yunnan, e,g. peacocks and headdresses are the same as Kushana artifacts of North India, who were also members of the Yueh tribes. This indicates that the Dravidians founded the Dong-son culture, since they made up some of the ancient Yueh tribes of southern China.}

This is in coherent to the genetic sites that were posted by the traveller. It makes sense that the DONG-SON culture population was a negroid type.
Just Watching Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 09:00:04 (PDT)

Traveller,
You can try to convince Asians of their roots, but you can't even give credible evidence to what you're talking about. You are an Afrocentic? I'm I correct?
I've seen some of these Afrocentric websites and read their claims. Most of these claims such as the Xia and the Shang being Africans, or that the 1st samurai of Japan was black are based on legends from their respective countries. There is no physical evidence to support Afrocentric claims. Most of the evidence gathered by Afrocentrists are from legends, and they try to interpret these legends to fit their own political agenda.

The sites I have seen are based on speculation, interpretations of the word "black" in Asian literature to mean African, and these sites do not cite any credible sources to back them up. In fact many of these sites show bad research because they contradict each other, and they confuse historical facts.

In fact I can show you which sites contradict themselves (and worse is that they are written by the same author), but you probably have made up your mind as to whom you believe so I won't bother.

Afrocentric claims are so badly researched by by so-called professors that a person with little knowledge, such as myself, can easily disprove them. That is the sad part.
Tdot O in 2k3 Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 08:13:50 (PDT)

To all my East Asian brothers, sisters, and cousins on Goldsea,

Please feel the back of your front teeth and check if there is a shovel depression. If there is, take your right hand and give yourself a pat on your back, as you are, more likely than not, a member of the Yellow Race! In a test of Taiwanese teenagers with a sample size of 280, fully 82% were Sinodonts, which is quite considerable considering how geographically south Taiwan is. I have seen no data for ethnic Vietnamese. My hunch is that almost one-half of all ethnic Vietnamese are Sinodonts because of their substantial historical contact with the Chinese. I am particularly interested in your findings. Please share with us your results by posting your ethnicity, your ancestral region, your teeth type, and your eyelid type.
J Lee, Chinese, Guangdong, China, Sinodont, Single-Folded Eyelid Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 07:04:39 (PDT)

To TraveLLer,

Your statement that “the Mongoloid race started from Siberia and invaded southward” is incorrect. The real heartland of the Mongoloid race is the middle and upper reaches of the Yellow River in China. The Mongoloid race originated from a small band of mainland Southeast Asians who migrated to the upper and lower reaches of the Yellow River in mainland China 20,000 to 40,000 years ago. The subgroup of Southeast Asians that migrated to the upper-middle Yellow River in mainland China (the real heartland of the northern Mongoloid type) had to change their diet to adapt to the colder climate and blinding loess windstorms that are still prevalent today all along the Yellow River and affect even Seoul. Presumably, they became much larger anatomically, lighter-skinned, while their eyes narrowed to keep out wind-blown loess, developing the ubiquitous epicanthic fold prevalent amongst northeast Asians. More importantly, they developed a unique dental characteristic called “Sinodonty,” which is a scientific pseudo-Latin word for “Chinese teeth.” Sinodonty refers to shovel-shaped front teeth. It is a superior dental evolution as it results in strengthened front teeth in the same way corrugated steel is much stronger than sheet steel. Sinodonty separates Northeast Asians from Southeast Asians, who are Sundadonty. Sunda is a geographic location in Indonesia. The earliest evidence of Sinodonty comes from northern China in about 18,000 B.C. During the last 3,000 years, the Chinese embarked on an era of empire building spreading their genes and advanced civilization in all four directions. Sinodonty is now found in the modern populations of China, Japan, Korea, Eastern Siberia, and Mongolia, all members of the Yellow Race. The original inhabitant of Japan, the Ainu, are instead Sundadonts proofing further that they are an Austronesian people. Sinodonty is proof that the Yellow Race, rather fittingly, originated from the Yellow River of China. http://www.anthro.ucdavis.edu/courses/s02/ant156/Lecture%206.pdf
J Lee Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 07:00:32 (PDT)

Jlee:
actually i said you should not always believe evrything on internet webistes. Evry info need to be checked carefully. a lot of those stuff come from theories that intelligent individuals are able to put forward w/ a passable amount of 'extremely credibible' evidences if need be. However there are a ton of evidences which could prove the 'credibility' of different theories. Theory A is as credible as theory B although A contradicts B to a large degree.The same might hold true for the korean/japanese lanmguae.

actually the ainu pic doesn't work for me....i'm kinda busy so i will get back in several days or even 1 month. i won't be on the post soon so see ya later.
anyway, thx for giving me some clues on the language stuff.
k Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 05:50:18 (PDT)

Jlee:
actually i said you should always believe evrything on internet webistes. Evry info need to be checked.

actually the ainu pic doesn't work for me....i'm kinda busy so i will get back in several days or even 1 month. i won't be on the post soon so see ya later.
k Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 05:43:11 (PDT)

Hafti:

Because the relationship is miniscule. That's why it's trivial.
chinatown Monday, July 29, 2002 at 21:51:14 (PDT)

"３、Melanesoid：（１）Hoa-Binh Culture（貨平文化）
　　　　　　　　　　　剥石握斧、スクレイパー（掻器）
　　　　　　　　（２）Bac-son Culture（北山文化）
　　　　　　　　　バクソン式石斧、有肩石器、縄文土器
"

MELAS = Black
OID = Resemblance or origin.

It's no wonder the Communist Vietnam cannot get an equal the degree/education of Medicine as those in the western nations.

VIETNAM BIAS (all the websites are from Vietnam, posted by Hafti). Yet, everyone knows that the standard medical research in Vietnam is lack of adequate or lack of appropriate.

1)http://www.hoabinh.gov.vn/main_vanhoamuong_eng.html

2)http://www.vietnamembassy-usa.org/learn/cul-evolution.php3

3)http://www.phapviet.com/~tranquanghai/english/montagne1.htm

No wonder many Medical Doctors in Vietnam after 1975 cannot pass the National Medical Board Exams for licensing. This truly showed the ignorance in Vietnam.
They cannot even uderstand the basic of genetic coding material. Have fun Hafti(Daffy). Bye for real!!!
MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY Monday, July 29, 2002 at 21:34:55 (PDT)

melanesoid:

MELANO = in Latin means Black or Dark.
Oid = Origin.
PASSINGBY Monday, July 29, 2002 at 21:11:35 (PDT)

To, people who are interested in the viet debate that went on with the traveller;

"http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/CB_2000_v10_p1237.pdf"

On page 17, it reveals that through genetics the modern polynesians probably have ancestors in melanesia. That is contrary to the travellers point on how the malayo-polynesians originated in vietnam from the dong son. The traveller says that the vietnamese and polynesians don't look the same. WELL NO DUH. The polynesians may have some relations, but to the genetics test, the majority of their genes came from melanesia (a chain of islands northwest of australia).

"http://www.trends.net/~yuku/tran/terr.htm"

Another site which has different ideas on polynesian origin.

My only question is that why does the traveller think everything he reads as facts? When in fact they all are only theories.
Hafti Monday, July 29, 2002 at 19:50:47 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

To settle your little mind on me being a whole bunch of other people. There is one thing that never changes, that is IP address. I bet if you ask an administrator he'll tell you the truth. BUT the IP address is important and sometimes if known a hacker can use it.

So if you want, you can go and ask an administrator if the people you think are the same people. I have nothing to hide, unlike you who have many unproven points.

The thing that puzzles me on your points, is that close to all the points you brought up is non-sense.

Here's a tribute to you on your great work here.

1. Your Nguyen debate on how the name never existed before the freedom from the chinese. In fact the name itself existed during the Shang times. FALSE facts you tried to spread around.

2. Your twisting of peoples words around. You did a great job though. Like the muong debate you had with someone. I'm pretty sure that person said that his friends were a bit dark while most of them are light like in the pictures, but you rant on and on of how they're really light. Also how you word it seems like you are muong. Refering to the muong as 'we' and 'us' for example.

3. Bringing up useless sites (just recently and undeniable because of the visibility of this flaw). It must be the most annoying thing i've seen yet.

4. The swift change of your standings. At first you said the viets were mainly descendents to the Yueh. Then now you say they are descendents to the Han, and have NO connection to the Yueh.

5. Your low knowledge on common vietnamese knowledge. In medical terms, the feet thing G.V. brought up is true (many other posters said this too, like i said, if you think it's G.V. or me just ask the administrator are we the same people, i have nothing to hide). The second two being longer then the first is VERY common, and when you said you were a doctor and never saw this before it made me laugh. Actually when i asked my doctor it made him laugh. I don't know how many years you have been in practice, but if you haven't seen these feet before you must be very inexperienced.

6. Your pathetic insults on how the malayo-polynesians are dirty and that i should get on my knees and eat with my hands to be more like my ancestors. FUNNY that you ran out of points to the point of insulting.

7. Your ignorance on other ethnics of vietnam. You keep on suggesting that the dong son migrated south to make polynesia. FALSE, very little skelletal evidence proves that. Only drums of similar design, which in china the drums have similar designs. In viettouch it suggests that the dong son were seabearing and merchants. The transfer of goods (drums) wouldn't have been too difficult. Also you seem to not know anything about the Sa Huynh. They are said to be the ancestors of the malayo-polynesians not the dong son.

8. Your relative LACK of knowledge overall. You said that the Chen dynasty didn't rule china in 500 AD. BUT in truth it did. You claim that you learn all of your knowledge from chinese sources, and that the chinese sources are correct. BUT if from the sources you read if they can't even be right on their own country what makes you think they can be correct in describing vietnam?

9. LOL, this is the funniest of them all. THIS PROVES that you know NOTHING about the dong son. But you keep on ranting on like you know something. You called the Dong Son by the name of Dong Son Vi. WHICH NEVER EXISTED.

10. You claim that the Ba Na are the closest descendents to the dong son today. BUT in fact they have no common culture at all. They are related to the khmer not malayo-polynesians. They don't carry on the traditions of the dong son drums. The muong and kinh are the people who carry on this tradition to today. Muong being the greatest carry on of this tradition.

BUT thanks for the overall laugh, it was great. If your point was to make yourself sound like a fool, you did it very well. None of your points have been proven at all. NONE at all.
Hafti Monday, July 29, 2002 at 17:49:18 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

"All the populations in the East Asia stretching to the Southeast Asia were descendant of the Africa."

Actually, that is has not been proven either. Your sources seem to lack the support for even saying the Dong Son had negroid features, nevertheless all of SE Asia and E Asia.

The source you gave about the genes suggests a diaspora northwards. THAT'S IT.
The only problem i see with you leaving is that your unable to prove your points.

"Think what you want, but science with the genetic coding will not change history for any political reason."

Again, that DNA site suggested a DIASPORA northwards from SE ASIA. It still did not support you. It said nothing about anyone with negroid features never even speaking of the dong son or even the yueh.

PLEASE open your eyes and read. EVEN if your gone, it's still a pity that you didn't prove any of your points.
Hafti Monday, July 29, 2002 at 17:28:45 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

I know it's your last post. Let's hope you'll reply.

"It wasn't until later when the Mongoloid race started from Siberia and invaded southward that gave the light-skin cpmplexed to most of the east Asians(Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Japan, and etc...) Think what you want, but science with the genetic coding will not change history for any political reason."

None of your sites have yet to prove that to anyone. The site you gave that had DNA testings suggested a northward diaspora from SE Asia. Evolution and Adaption could have and probably took place from there on.
Hafti Monday, July 29, 2002 at 17:06:55 (PDT)

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