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Tdot O in 2K3:
Acually you are incorrect the overwhelming evidence is anthropologic, that is certainly not to say that all of the aforemention afrocentric claims are true, but neither can the science of the discussion be ignored or alterted to suit anyone's argument, even our own !!!
Try not to be so defensive and endeavor to study along with black scholors as I have done. In doing so together you will discover much that is true and untrue, but you will have arrived at your conclusions in a intelligent manner. I owe my health and recovery to a heart surgeon who happens to be a very afrocentric indivdual with an open heart for all mankind. In the 15 or so years since, I have been honored to meet many true and authentic shcolors on the subject with whom I have had many enchanting study sessions.
Joy to the world my friend.
high school science teacher,anthropologist Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 14:17:26 (PDT)

J Lee,

there are Mongolid individuals,mostly in the North of China whose front teeth are narrow and of moderate length.Their lower jaws are adequately narrow.Their Mongol fold is strongly evident.Their characteristic form of teeth is rare around the whole world and occurs also in the Germanic speaking countries of Northern Europe.

How would you name this Northern Chinese type,they're approximately 20%(?) of population in certain areas,most of them males?
rare stuff Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 13:30:28 (PDT) [Add spaces after your periods and commas. --Ed]

To, everyone interested (since the traveller is gone);

Everyone who was not part of china when it was first unified has a right to call it's people whatever it wants. To have equal claim to the same ancestor, and to not be looked down upon as a branch of lesser status or coming from them. Because they come from the same ancestors and have equal claim. The vietnamese at that time weren't part of china when it was first unified, it was invaded instead after it acquired it's identity.

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/asb_china/china_maps/qin_unification.html

Both the territory of the yueh and the dong son weren't under chinese control at that time. Even if the modern vietnamese are as han as the chinese, this influence probably came before the invasion, making it an equal claim thing.
Hafti Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 01:15:51 (PDT)

To, everyone interested (since the traveller is gone);

"They were ruled by emperors called Xuan Di "Black Emperors".
These Blacks introduced farming and writing to China. Trade cities and travel grew under their leadership.
In addition to writing, the Blacks of Xia and Shang introduced bronze working to China. They also invented the pounded earth architecture associated with early Chinese city-states."
From: http://clyde.winters.tripod.com/junezine/id1.html

That's one of the travellers sites (it's a page off of one of his sites). I don't think that the site itself is welly supported, only editorials. Don't you notice that they use the word BLACK and not the scientific terms for the people of the regions at those times? It is clear that the site is alteast emplying a 'black' superiority over mongoloids. I prefer to think that every race is equal, if not i would have thrown out all those statistics against blacks, but i'm not gonna throw them out. C'mon discovering writing, farming, trading... It's just amazing that the mongoloids discovered NOTHING, that everything they have today is borrowed from their now extinct black ancestors, who now have no trace of existance or no trace of that much influence. The thing that is so puzzling is that civilizations as powerful as that site describes for the 'blacks' don't just die off with no trace.

"The first civilization of China was the Xia dynasty. It was founded by the Yueh tribes."

LOL, that's just so funny. The yueh found the xia dynasty in the second millenium BC! hahaha, the yueh didn't exist at that time! LOL, just funny you know. I can't believe the traveller would believe such a site.

"There were also elephants and rhinoceros in the area according to oracle records. During the Shang period the Chinese wrote much information on bones and turtle shells. This form of writing is called oracle bone writing."

That site is now trying to take I CHING away from us! it is clear that the date of it's writting is unknown and to today is only a guess, and yet this site knows everything. The site refers to the chinese as black by the way, so the achievement of writing I Ching is now attributed to the 'blacks'. It's just clear that this site is written by a person with the ideology of having black superiority. I prefer equality, which by the most part is the real deal.
Hafti Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 01:10:35 (PDT)

To, J Lee;

Can you confirm to me if the sites i gave you were right (i think they might welly be biased in some ways)? It seems that some of them are in conflict. BUT since the traveller believes whatever he reads i just pretended that a few sentences were fact (when they could very welly be guesses or theories), even if there were other ideas going against it.

From my current stand point, the sites i came by were CRAP. Something about the sundadonts being caucasoids (could be BS), and then something of the negritos not being related to the negroid race at all (could be BS). I'm not very much into that stuff, so i have no idea what to say.

Just like to say, that if scientists are at a feud to see who's right, even the scientists admit that they only 'could' be right, then why can the traveller think he is always absolutely right? You know it's just funny.

Like i said, i'm interested in the sunandont and sinodont thing, can you give me a site with a clearer diagram or picture of what sunandont teeth look like please.
Hafti Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 00:25:32 (PDT)

Native Americans are also Sinodonts. I don't know about Mexicans and Central American Latinos? Perhaps they are too?
shovel shaped incisors Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 23:15:24 (PDT)

Someone please help me on this topic:

I have read that the Ming Dynasty great Admiral Zheng His naval expeditions to India, Persia, Arabia and East Africa brought back some slaves to Guangdong. It is said they were overwhelming Ethiopian and other African slaves. Now, we hear no more of black people living in Guangdong today. What happened to these black slaves? Did they just die out or intermarried into the Cantonese population? No Cantonese has got the Sickle Cell disease, so I can say that the black genes is either non-existent or negligible among us Cantonese.
no blacks in China Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 23:07:23 (PDT)

To, J Lee;

Are you a dentist? Just wondering.

"Some anthropologists do not yet know and will not understand Sundadont input until genetic research catches up, but Sundadonts make up the current Indonesian and Polynesian populations and native Australians who are all distant hybrid Caucasoid relatives and are similar in forensic anthropological terms. Their intelligence and skills in late glacial times enabled them to travel by sea almost anywhere. By slowly expanding along the island arc of Japan and passing mainland Asia, most retained Caucasoid features."
From: http://www.csasi.org/July2001/avocational_archaeology.htm

That site suggests that the sundadont people have caucasoid features and are distant relatives to the modern caucasoids. What does this mean to you? It's getting a bit confusing to me, because to my knowledge the caucasians are light skinned people. The SE Asians at that time were described to be darker. But from the definition below caucasians can be brown and have wavy hair (perfect description for some SE Asians), BUT the regions it describe does not include SE Asia. Is it just BS?

Here's a definition of caucasian:
{Cau·ca·sian Pronunciation Key (kô-kzhn, -kzhn)
adj.
Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to brown skin pigmentation and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples indigenous to Europe, northern Africa, western Asia, and India. No longer in scientific use. See Usage Note at race1.
Of or relating to the Caucasus region or its peoples, languages, or cultures.
Of or relating to a group of three language families spoken in the region of the Caucasus mountains, including Chechen, Abkhaz, and the Kartvelian languages.}
"Apart from dark skin and curly hair, they have little in common with the African pygmies, let alone ordinary Africans. If anything they somewhat resemble down-sized Australian aborigines. While we can thus be quite sure that the Negritos are not Africans, what they are is far more difficult to say."
From: http://www.andaman.org/book/chapter6/text6.htm

This suggests that the negritos weren't of negroid origin. YES for those who don't know, being dark doesn't mean your african descendents.

"The situation is much clearer in Vietnam where the oldest known human population has unquestionably been Negrito. Skulls identified as Negrito have been found along the coast of Vietnam and dated to between 25,000 and 50,000 years."

The oldest population of vietnamese are considered negrito not negroids. Through recent discoveries (the site last updated 1999, that's very recent), very little genetic tests prove similarities between africans and negritos.

Here's a few definitions:
{Ne·gri·to Pronunciation Key (n-grt)
n. pl. Ne·gri·tos or Ne·gri·toes
A member of any of various peoples of short stature inhabiting parts of Malaysia, the Philippines, and southeast Asia. Not in scientific use.}
AND
{Ne·groid Pronunciation Key (ngroid) Anthropology
adj.
Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as brown to black pigmentation and often tightly curled hair and including peoples indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa. Not in scientific use. See Usage Note at race1.}

I know the traveller is gone, but that kind of proves that even scientists don't all believe all people reaching from E asia to SE asia at that time were african descendents. Just darker, which can be an attribute to mutations or adaptations.
Hafti Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 23:00:29 (PDT)

"J Lee, Chinese, Guangdong, China, Sinodont, Single-Folded Eyelid"

J Lee, what does it mean if I'm of Guangdong ancestry (actually Toi San, but Guangdong is close enough), and I have double eyelids? My mom and I have doubles, but my dad and sister have singles.
TSJ Eric@KristinKreuk.net Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 21:35:27 (PDT)

To, J Lee, Chinese, Guangdong, China, Sinodont, Single-Folded Eyelid;

"Please share with us your results by posting your ethnicity, your ancestral region, your teeth type, and your eyelid type."

My ancestral region is northern vietnam. My dad is half muong and half kinh. My mom is chinese but lived in vietnam for half her life. I look like my dad. My dad is lighter then my mom, probably due to his muong side (i find muongs to be the lightest of asia so far, yes even lighter then the northern chinese i've meet and in pictures). I have double eyelids just like any other vietnamese do, since it's WAY more common then single eyelids.

So basically i'm half vietnamese (kinh and muong) and half chinese. I feel closer to my vietnamese side.

I need more visualizations of the sundadont type to determine my dental type though.

http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/10_1Non-Metric.htm

If that is right, then i think i am sinodont.

BUT my father is sundadont though, i just checked, he doesn't have the shovel thing. And my uncle who's full muong also seems to be sundadont. Sundadont is attributed to non-mongoloids, my uncle is muong. He's lighter then a northern han (from what chinese people say about him having nice milky skin, which is funny, and pictures i've seen), yet the muong aren't sinodant but sundadont (or atleast on my families muong side).

Just saying.

J Lee, i need a diagram of sundadont to make sure. For now i'm just going to assume sundadonts are teeth without the wedged shovel shape.

My mother has sinodonts and she's chinese.

Just a question, is sinodonty recessive or promonant? Like if i have a wife who has sundadonts and i am sinodont what would be more likely for my kid to have? Just wondering... From me i would say it's promanant and non-recessive, since my dad is sundadont and my mother is sinodont. Me and my siblings have sinodonts, so i'm guessing the genes are more prominant then sundadonts are...

This is interesting by the way...
Hafti Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 17:50:21 (PDT)

To, PASSINGBY;

Thanks for the definition. I know what it means. BUT also the fact that there is a negroid classification is amazing. This atleast indicates different origin, or atleast different journey to where they are at now. EVOLUTION OR ADAPTATION can take place anytime.

The thing is that even though the hoa binh are classified as melanesoid, it's direct descendents weren't (or they weren't descendents but neighbors who took over a more powerful role). The Dong Dau skeletons can be described as close to identical to the modern muong, and the hoa binh as with some similarities. The Son Vi and dong dau are close to identical specimen. And the muong are believed to be the descendents to the Son Vi (believed ancestors to the Dong Dau, and maybe the dong son). The thing that the dong son tend to live down low. While the muong and ancient kinh were said to live up in the mountains, does this suggest a separate ancestry? Maybe, who knows, the dong dau lived up in the mountains.
Hafti Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:58:44 (PDT)

To, Just Watching;

"{Also. the symbols on Heger type drums from Yunnan, e,g. peacocks and headdresses are the same as Kushana artifacts of North India, who were also members of the Yueh tribes. This indicates that the Dravidians founded the Dong-son culture, since they made up some of the ancient Yueh tribes of southern China.}

This is in coherent to the genetic sites that were posted by the traveller. It makes sense that the DONG-SON culture population was a negroid type."

That actually DOESN'T make sense. Through the last line where it connects the origin of the dong son with negroid. It says that the dong son were probably found by the dravidians because the yueh were. BUT the dong son were around WAY longer then the yueh have by far. It is trying or implying that the dong son came fromt he yueh, and because some of the yueh were dravidian founded, the dong son must have too. BUT because of the wording of some, there is an indication that others weren't found by dravidians. REMEMBER there are 100 yueh tribes all together, each different but joined together to fight the chinese at that time. So why can't the dong son be a descendent of the lighter yueh who weren't found by dravidians? BUT nevertheless, it is impossible that the dong son were found by either the dark or lighter of the yueh, because it's a fact that the dong son were around before they were around.

So that passage is wrong, or atleast lacking in real knowledge.
Hafti Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:39:18 (PDT)

To, MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY (the traveller);

Just admit it, your not even part viet never mind full. The funny thing is that most of the sites i used in GENETIC termonology was given by YOU. Your ignorance is so funny though.

Vietnamese ignorance? There is no such thing. That just proves the level of education you have, which is probably very low, where did you get your medical degree? The black market? No race/ethnic is ignorant. Every race can be ignorant in the way that there is always a group of people who are closed-minded. ADMIT it, there are chinese ignorance, japanese ignorance, european ignorance. BUT none is absolute! THINK. YOUR A DOCTOR.
Hafti Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:32:33 (PDT)

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