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Filipino people are most interesting in looks, thoughts and mannarisms.
Dawn dawnseider@aol.com Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 09:00:11 (PDT)

What is Africoid?

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/9912/blackasia.html

"Early Chinese legends relate traditions of divine dynasties such as the Epoch of the Five Emperors. According to JA Rogers, the first Emperor, known as Fu-Hsi/Fu-hi (2953-2838BC) is described as a "wooly-haired Negro." Whether this was actually the case with this semi-legendary figure, we do not know. But the existence of black types in the region since the most remote times is known. Quite a few Chinese of the period wrote of "Black Dwarfs" with whom they shared the region. According to Chinese archaeologist Kwang-chih Chang, early skulls found in Southern China bore evidence of "Oceanic Negroid" types. He goes on to state that as early as 221BC (the Chin Dynasty), "Negritos whom the Chinese call 'Black Dwarfs' are reported in the mountainous districts south of the Yangtze." Pictured above is a late Shang Dynasty vessel made of bronze with an Africoid type figure in a tiger's mouth. (Photo and Information courtesy of The African Presence in Early Asia ed. by Runoko Rashidi and Ivan Van Sertima and Chinese Art by Mary Tregear) "
What is Africoid Friday, August 02, 2002 at 01:07:13 (PDT)

To TSJ,

“What does it mean if I’m of Guangdong ancestry, and I have double eyelids? My mom and I have doubles, but my dad and sister have singles?”

The single eyelids appear to be a relatively late trait to be developed amongst northern Mongoloids perhaps just 10,000 years ago in the early Holocene period. Therefore, it is not as frequent in occurrence amongst the Yellow race as compared to Sinodonty, which has been around for at least 18,000 years.

Anyway, it is a strong indication that you have ancestry especially on your father’s side that lived near the Yellow River in China for tens of thousands of years. http://www.cis.umassd.edu/~gleung/history/cradleen.html Then within the last two thousand years, your father’s ancestors were part of the continuing process of the conversion of Guangdong Province from a land occupied by Southeast Asians (the Yueh people) to one occupied by the migrating northern Chinese.

This process has resumed in earnest in the last ten years; while hundreds of thousands of Cantonese leave Guangdong Province and Hong Kong for other countries where they have strong network, hundreds of thousands of northern Chinese have moved down to Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Hainan Island, and Hong Kong. Hainan Island is to Northeastern Chinese what Florida is to New Englanders. Mandarin is now more commonly spoken in Hong Kong than English. Today, 30% of Guangzhou’s residents are not ethnic Cantonese.
J Lee Friday, August 02, 2002 at 00:44:19 (PDT)

Hafti,

The foremost expert in the Sinodonty and Sundadonty dichotomy is Christy Turner II of Arizona State University. He has written a book called "The Anthropology of Modern Human Teeth: Dental Morphology and Its Variation in Recent Human Populations (Cambridge Studies in Biological and Evolutionary Anthropology) with some pictures showing both types of upper incisors. He has compiled plenty of data from different peoples around the world. Not surprisingly, being an academic book, it ranks 405,242 on the Sales List!
http://www.inetsupermall.com/amazon_online_books.htm According to the book, 66% of modern Japanese are Sinodonts whereas 35% of modern Southeast Asians are Sinodonts. For Chinese and Mongolians, it is 72%. A good technical article is John W. Hsu's work. http://www.ada.org.au/media/documents/Products_Publications/Journal%20Archives/1999%20Archive/March/Hsu%20%2040.pdf

If your are a Sinodont, try feeling the back of your upper incisors near the gum line with your finger; that is where the shovel groove curvature is most pronounced. To see how Sundadonty looks like, look or feel the back of your lower incisors. Even amongst Sinodonts, the lower incisors tend not to have shoveling and they resemble Sundadonty.
J Lee Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 23:38:50 (PDT)

Haifti,

Can you provide me the link to what you were saying? I want to read on the 1999 dicovery. Thanks.

{The oldest population of vietnamese are considered negrito not negroids. Through recent discoveries (the site last updated 1999, that's very recent), very little genetic tests prove similarities between africans and negritos.)
VNinterest Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 23:15:44 (PDT)

The Sino-Tibetan (probably includes Vietnamese) group must have branched off from the Malayo-Polynesians at some point while the Ural-Altaic group (probably includes PaleoAsiatics, Eskimos and American Indians) branched off from the Sino-Tibetans when the Gobi desert separated the 2. Malayo-Polynesians had affinities to Austronesians and Dravidians. And, Austronesians and Dravidians must have had some relations with the East African Negroids and Bushmen.

Likewise, the Hamito-Semitic must have branched off away from Bantu Negroids. And, Indo-Europeans branched off from Hamito-Semitics.
living races of the world Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 21:13:54 (PDT)

high school science teacher,
I am not being defensive. No one is denying that there were Africans in Asia in proto-historic times. You can see it today in the Philippines, Australia and Papua-New Guinea.

However, the anthropological evidence isn't direct evidence. The comparison between ancient African scripts and ancient Chinese is superficial.

If I asked three people on this site, from various geographic locations, to come up with a symbol for "man" they would probably draw a stick figure with a circle on top to depict a man. The symbols would not be the same, but they would be similar. Does this mean that one influenced the other in some way? Of course not.

There are pyramids in Egypt, Nubia, Iraq, China, Peru, and Mexico. Does this mean that the ancient Egyptians travelled to all these places and built those pyramids? Of course not.
T dot O in 2k3 Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 21:09:53 (PDT)

I have been to Beijing and the people there do not even all look as classical Mongoloid as you guys claim. They look (facially) more like overgrown Cantonese and Vietnamese. Their body size are massive, like northern Europeans though.
Beijing Summer Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 21:06:18 (PDT)

Hafti,
There are more sites that claim the same thing. I am not an expert on Chinese history, but I can find factual flaws as well as contradictions on these sites.
On one site it claims that the founder of the Shang Dynasty was Yu. Then the article contradicts itself later on by saying that the founder of the Xia was Yu. Actually, the founder of Shang was was Tang, and the founder of Xia was Yu.

The same site states that the legendary hero Huang Di was called Hu Nak Kunte in Manding (an African language), and that he arrived in China in 2282 B.C. I find it odd that the site doesn't state a source for this claim. According to the Shi Ji, Huang Di was born in Souqiu, Shandong province, and that he had 25 children. However, there is no archaelogical evidence to support this.

Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/blshang.htm

On another site the same author states that the first Shang king was Xuan Wang,"the black king". This is another factual mistake. Xuan Wang was the 11th king of the Zhou dynasty, not the Shang. This contradicts the author's theory that the "black Shang" were conquered by the "classic mongoloid" Zhou.

Here's that site:
http://kalamumagazine.com/black_shang.htm

I find it odd that the author can come up with so much data on the Xia when Chinese scholars know so little of the Xia.

In addition, the author cites Jeremy Chang, but Chang's writtings don't even support the "black Xia & black Shang" theories.

Either this author is a poor scholar or he has a political agenda.
T dot O in 2k3 Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 20:29:55 (PDT)

there are some black militant nationalists who now come up with the most bizarre theories attributing black origins and ancestry to many of the world's oldest cultures and civilizations. On the Moors and Egyptians, there is some validity on their claims (if they base it on a racial definition). Actually, most Moors and Egyptians imported black slaves, that is how some Egyptians and Moors came to have some Negroid features and blood.

But, the most ludicrous I have heard is that they also attribute a black connection with the ancient Chinese, Olmecs, Persians, Hindus and others.

Much of the Winters articles have no academic validity nor recognition.
don't smear that mud on me, you can keep it fo' yoself Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 18:51:19 (PDT)

To, high school science teacher,anthropologist;

Your situation isn't particularly rare. Many people have studied with afrocentric scholars, and yet they still don't follow or believe in such ideas.

The thing that i find puzzling about that site is that they know so much, and yet so little. Why would they call the people black? Why not the scientific term? Just because your black doesn't mean your an african descendent. Adaptations and mutations happen all the time, and no one knows how much they can effect us today. Hence the reasons for classifications like negroid, negrito, melanesian, polynesian...etc... All of which associate eachother with the color black, but the differences between the groups are there, either genetic or skellital.

Like that moth in england where its color changed from white to black due to the population that turned most of it's environment that color. How do we know that the color change couldn't have happened? No one knows if the specimen were really african descendents, and yet that site knows so sure.
Hafti Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 16:18:40 (PDT)

â€œJust if anyone is curious, i'm half vietnamese and chinese. My mom is vietnamese (southern) and my dad is chinese (shandong). VERY demanding family, vietnamese women has incredible power in the household, they voice their ideas, and get it across. They fight till the end. Chinese men are EXTREMELY disciplined plans alot. So in my family there is NO room for mistakes.

I wrote these ideas in another forum as well.â€
Hafti Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 18:12:01 (PDT)

â€œMy ancestral region is northern vietnam. My dad is half muong and half kinh. My mom is chinese but lived in vietnam for half her life. I look like my dad.
Blah Blah Blah....
My mother has sinodonts and she's chinese.
Blah Blah Blah....
This is interesting by the way...â€
Hafti Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 17:50:21 (PDT)

This guy has mental disorder problem. Just two months ago, he said he has Vietnamese mom. Now he says he has Chinese mom and his Dad is vice versa. Who will believe this guy? Hell! I don't period.
Hafti, you need to see a doctor ASAP. Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 16:17:50 (PDT)

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